K8NGM2-FID - Dead board? :(

K, I´m building a new system as follows:
Athlon 64 3200 (Venice core, stock heatsink and fan)
K8NGM2-FID
2 Geil Ultra-X 512mb memory
NEC 3540 DVD burner
Samsumg 80gb IDE HD
Windows XP SP2
I was upgranding from a socket A mobo, so I don´t have a PCI-e vid card. The processor was out of the box as well, so I can´t guarantee the problem is not with it, but everything points to the mobo. The mobo came with the 3.13 bios, but it shows a threatning "enginering sample" during post. So, I´ve assembled the system and put my old HD on it and turn the thing on, resulting in random freezes during boot up or just after entering Windows. There wasn´t even time to load the driver´s cd on it. Just to test it, I´ve copied everything out of my drive, formated it and tried to reinstall windows. Tried 6 times, none worked (the system frozed at random times). Used another HD, with the same result. Changed IDE cables. Still, nothing. Decided to flash the bios. Copied the 3.20 bios to the HD, used a MS-DOS boot disk and tried to flash it, resulting in a messenge of "unknown chipset vendor - error - chipset not supported" or something close to that.
So, I take the board came dead to me. Is there anything else I might be missing?
If this board came dead, I´m screwed. A friend of my in the US bought it in the US (Newegg) and shipped to me (I live in Brazil) and will probably cost more to RMA than to buy a new one :(
Anyone know if MSI can help me with that?

It probably costs as much as a new mobo to RMA it back to the US, and then back in here to Brazil (probably will need to pay Customs taxes again...). I just lost over $100 bucks (mobo+shipping) because MSI is throwing "engineering samples" at vendors. Good policy, btw!

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Chipset
• NVIDIA® GeForce 6150/6100 Chipset
- HyperTransport™ connection to AMD K8 Athlon64 processor
- 8 or 16 bit control/address/data transfer both directions
- 1GHz "Double Data Rate" operation both direction
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- nForce 430 supports RAID 0, 1, 0+1, 5
- nForce 410 supports RAID 0, 1
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http://eu.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=224

K8NGM2-FID IDE weirdness

hi,
new K8NGM2-FID board, 3.13 BIOS. II have a SATA drive which works just fine. However, some very weird things are happening to my IDE devices.
I added a DVDRW as primary IDE. Booted into XP and it said 'new hardware found'. all ok. Then all of sudden, system freezes. Rebooted. Now the board doesn't see the drive at all. I didn't change anything.
I took out the drive and removed cable from IDE1. But when I booted up, the BIOS screen says "auto detecting 3rd IDE master." Huh? I have NO IDE device connected. In the BIOS screen, only my SATA drive is detected.
I plugged the IDE cable back into IDE1. BIOS doesn't see the drive now. Pressing eject button does nothing. Removed the IDE cable. Drive spins up and LED blinks. Door ejects again.
Ok, so I tried IDE2. Nothing.
Keep in mind the drive was working once and I have not made any changes.
Ok, maybe the drive is dead. I plugged in a IDE HD (by itself), jumper also set as primary. Nothing. I seriously doubt both the HD and DVD (new) are dead.
I reset the CMOS by pressing SW1 per the manual. But no change. I eent into the BIOS and saw that my settings are still there, so I didn't do it right somehow. I did it both with power on and off.
Can someone help?

With computer off, switch off power supply or pull AC power cord to the power supply then push the computer power up button a few times until the cpu fan no longer turns. Now use the jumper to clear the cmos.

K8NGM2-FID problems: no usb and high cpu usage - HELP!

hi folks,
i've setup K8NGM2-FID inside an htpc with a clean install of mce 2005 (onboard video). For the past couple of days I've noticed a few things:
1) if the pc goes into standby (S3) and then wakes up, sometimes task manager shows a cpu usage of 50% (on the graph) but looking at the list of tasks (for all users) nothing is runing that high - in fact system idle process shows 98% (while the graph is still showing about 50%) and the system is a bit sluggish; reboot fixes this but it's getting really annoying. I've installed the latest AMD x2 driver. Sometimes it goes to 98-99% after waking up but that's been rare.
2) i've been getting a few BSODs lately, actually all started yesterday - 3 of them in a span of about 2 hours after insalling Nero. I'm going to try to figure out what is causing it that (proabably Nero - I hope since that's easy to undo) but what i've noticed is that when the system reboots after the blue screen, none of the USB devices work (i.e. keyboard, mouse, etc.). windows has to load, then I need to go in the back and unplug/replug the usb devices which then 'wakes' them up; this can get really annoying in a typical cramped home theater setup. software restarts seem to be good - ok hardware restarts are the problem. hooking things up to a usb hub has the same effect - i.e. I need to re-plug the hub to get them to work - it just means less things to plug/unplug.
has anyone else noticed this? help save my sanity - this is driving me crazy. since this is an mce setup, it goes into sleep and wakes up several times a day so the high cpu issue when it comes up really gets in the way of using the pc. btw. during high cpu times, no mce related function (record/watch/the shell itself) is running.
here's my setup:
K8NGM2-FID - boots up with 3 short beeps - I think it's 1 beep pause then 2 beeps
2 gigs kingston 3 CAS (2 x 1 GIG kit) pc3200 - boot screen shows it running at 400mhz in dual channel config
X2 3800+ stock fan/heatsink with silver 5 (runs around 35-38 idle - inside a silverstone 'stereo rack' case)
ms usb keyboard/mouse/mce remote
coolmax 550W power
3 140GB WD drives (ata 133 - not sata)
onboard video - framebuffer set to 128megs
latest (as of 2 days ago) nvidia and msi drivers - msi bios is the stock 3.0 (more on that later)
the bios settings are all default as far as I can tell.
pvr-150 tuner card
promise ata 100 card
nec 3500dvd
all running on mce 2005 with rollup 2 and all the updates windows could find
i haven't updated the bios because i've read about other folks having blue screen problems and the suggestion has been to up the voltage for the ram (I guess the default setup from MSI is lower than it should be) but apparently that option is missing from the 3.1 and later bioses? and reading the text file, it wasn't very apparent what the bios 3.1 was fixing other than a few cosmetic bootup texts. I'm planning to up the voltage later today.
anyhow, any suggestions short of throwing the entire pc out the door are welcomed.
thanks!

ok here's what I've found about the high cpu...
using process explorer, hardware interrups is taking all the cpu. i've tried to disable items one by one but nothing is working so far. what does work is if i choose scan for new hardware, cpu goes down to normal. standby and resume and cpu is up again. do the scan and it goes down again - without changing anything.
i've re-installed the graphic board driver, nvidia 430 drivers, sound driver. not sure what else to do. checked my drives and they are all properly master/slave set.
this is really getting crazy...anyone come across this?
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thanks
thanks a bunch!

K8NGM2-FID onboard video won't go to DVI in XP

System is:
K8NGM2-FID
BIOS 3.4
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HDD Seagate ST316012A Barracuda 7200.9 160 GB
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This system has run 24/7 for about 5 months using onboard video driving a Samsung SyncMaster 940t thru the onboard DVI port.
I am using the DVI (digital) onboard video output to drive my monitor. Recently I have experienced blank screens when waking up from monitor power down (20 minute w/o activity - no screensaver, just auto power down). When I connect a VGA (analog) cable from the onboard connector to the monitor's analog input the video is there but not present on DVI (digital) output of board. Otherwise the machine is still completely functional, just no DVI video output.
Rebooting, the video signal is present on BOTH connectors (DVI and VGA) up to the point when Windows loads the desktop (i.e., past Windows boot screens), then it switches to VGA ONLY.
If I power down and wait 3-4 hours, the DVI will continue to work after Windows loads the desktop, then will not return after the monitor powers down due to inactivity (20 minutes, set in properties - screen saver) OR a warm reboot OR a power cycle. Switching to the VGA (analog) output, the video is still there and system is running as before, but with analog video only, no DVI (digital). This occurs with two other monitors that have dual inputs (HP and Viewsonic).
Video drivers are from MSI and are the current Version 8205 - (8.2.0.5 on device manager screen) but BIOS is 3.4. BIOS update 3.4->3.5->3.6 notes do not mention any DVI issues so I am hesitant to flash to 3.6 (current version) as I do not think it will fix the problem.
Bringing up nVidia Nview desktop manager, it 'sees' the monitor but there is no mention of DVI or VGA interface or way to switch between them. If I hook up a TV to the Svideo output it 'sees' that as well as the monitor and I can switch between them.
Does anyone know of a way to explicitly direct signal to either of the onboard video connectors (DVI and VGA) connector on this board (K8NGM2-FID)?
Any other ideas?
Thanks in advance,
ss

I fixed the system.
However, I still don't know the root cause of the original problem.
The missing piece of the fix was doing an uninstall of the video device drivers using the Control Panel 'Add or Remove Programs' function. Prior to that I was just updating things using either the package's native installers or the Device Manager Update Driver function.
After the uninstall I did a clean install of the MSI drivers off a CD and now have selectable digital and/or analog displays in Windows XP. Also, the nvidia drivers DO work, provided they are installed on a 'clean' suystem (thanks, Stu). Installing either driver set as an update results in unstable output - sometimes digital, sometimes analog.
Moral of the story: clean up toothpaste before squeezing the tube again.
ss

K8NGM2-FID / MS-7207 - Unable to install WinXP

K8NGM2-FID / MS-7207 - Unable to install WinXP
Problem: When attempting to install Windows XP Professional (original version prior to SP2 release), the system either hangs after the second reboot (when attempting to load for the first time) or blue-screens at some point during the initial setup (segment fault.)
System Description:
AMD ATHLON 64 X2 3800+ - MANCHESTER (dual core)
MSI K8NGM2-FID nVIDIA GeForce 6150 CHIPSET
CRUCIAL 2GB (2 x 1024MB) PC3200 400MHZ CL3 184-PIN DDR DIMM(s)
400W ps - Sparkle
no floppy, nothing fancy, no PCI cards, stock system
bios ver: 2.59 (I need winxp installed so I can use the live bios update)
I am not overclocking.
Details:
Tested with three different UltraATA IDE harddrives, capacities from 13.6 - 40 GB.
Tested with two different 80-conductor Ultra ATA cables.
I'm unable to get through a Windows XP installation. I've eliminated the harddrive or cable as the culprit by testing with more than one KG component. I can successfully boot from a Knoppix 4 live CD and the system will run overnight like that.
Does this motherboard not like UltraATA IDE drives? I don't have any SATA drives to test an installation with.
I ordered the Motherboard/CPU/Memory as a pre-tested kit.
UPDATE:
Flash bios to 3.4 using A7207nms.340 from msi web site. Did _not_ solve issue. Also noted that when attempting to load WinXP in Safe Mode the last thing I see on the screen is loading Mup.sys then I get the PAGE_FAULT_IN_NOPAGED_AREA blue screen.

> This error can be caused by a power supply that's too weak.
I researched the power supply prior to the purchase, selecting one that was reported by another person to work with the board. I have spare KG supplies that I can test with though.
> Also, can you try with one dimm? Test your RAM with memtest86 to make sure
> it's okay.
I removed one of the sticks, checked bios to ensure system corrected the RAM count, and then started over with the WinXP installation, which still resulted in PAGE_FAULT_IN_NOPAGED_AREA near completion.
> By the way: don't flash your bios with the LiveUpdate utility. Always
> flash bios in DOS mode, preferably using a CD.
Okay, I will go ahead and update the bios with the DOS utility.
> Also, why do you want to flash bios? If all works when Windows is
> installed, flashing your board can cause problems you don't have now.
Often, with a mobo updating the bios will allow windows to detect mobo resources it was unable to do before. The manufacturer most often ships prior to all the bugs being worked out of the bios. PC builders and vendors recommend using the latest stable bios.
Although there is something to be said for "If it's not broke, don't fix it. However, mine is broke to begin with. If I have to RMA this board, I will not be exchanging it for an identical model, or another MSI board.
> Edit: what other hardware do you use? Videocard, opticals, etc.
Video is onboard. Everything is pretty stock. The keyboard and mouse are on a test bench that gets used for dozens of other systems.
I have to say I long for the simple standardized motherboards of the past. I don't mind setting jumpers but I am not impressed with the inferior quality and overwhelming diversity in today's computer hardware.
ty

K8NGM2-FID accessories

at the bottom of the MSI site decribing the K8NGM2 series are two optional back panel I/O ports listed. Try as i might i can not find the "DVI port".
Is that accessory really available and will that provide an extra dvi port on a K8NGM2-FID. Extra as in addition to the DVI port already on the back panel.
Sounds strange to me. The optional dvi port would require either using a PCIe x1 slot or one of the PCI slots, unless some where on the board are pins that allow some kind of hook up to the on board vide. Just doesn't make sense to me.

That is only available for the board the has the nVidia 6150 chipset. In this case, the only version that has this option is the K8NGM2-FID. You must be misunderstanding the product page, there is no additional DVI port or accessory adapter.
That listing found here: http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=702
Verbatim:
Back Panel I/O Ports
- 1 x Parallel
- 1 x PS/2 Keyboard
- 1 x PS/2 Mouse
- 1 x VGA
- 1 x DVI port (optional) <6150 Only
- 1 x IEEE1394 port (optional)
- 1 x Audio I/O (Line-in/Line-out/MIC)
- 4 x USB 2.0
- 1 x RJ45 LAN Jack
That is all.
I looked at the manual as well there is no mention of an additional DVI interface or bracket whatsoever.
Again, I think this must be a misunderstanding.

K8NGM2-FID dumb question i am sure . SLI available?

I dont plan on using SLI since i am not a gamer or overclocker. I am curious if SLI on the K8NGM2-FID is available so i can make sure i turn it off.
got a feeling that this is a really dumb questions. but i really like this board for my needs, just now.
thanks .

SLI is not available as there is only one PCI-E 16X slot

K8NGM2-FID external graphics card performance

Hello
I read on http://www.digital-daily.com/motherboard/msi-k8ngm2-fid/index06.htm that the performance using an external video card with the K8NGM2-FID is inferior to other boards.
Is this true?
Best regards
Andreas

I would look at another site since they are stating "BOTH" boards they have tested with the 6150 chipset have performance issues.
They have only tested two 6150 chipset boards, the others they are comparing it to are the 6100 chipset boards.
It may have nothing to do with MSI.

Cooler with heatpipes for K8NGM2-FID

I someone has installed a cooler on this mother board K8NGM2-FID sure would like to know the brand and model. Also any problems or recommendations?
thanks
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Do you mean CPU-cooler ??
If so, Thermalright XP-90 works with most boards and is easy to install.
Weight only 360g.
Add a 90mm fan on top.
They sell them both with and without fans.
http://www.thermalright.com/a_page/main_product_xp90_p4.htm
http://www.thermalright.com/a_page/main_support_faq_motherboard_xp90.htm

SPDIF Bracket for MSI K8NGM2-FID

Hello,
I have been searching on the Internet for a place where I can purchase the SPDIF 3-pin bracket for the MSI K8NGM2-FID. I have probably checked every search result on google, but NOWHERE can I find this item! Does ANYBODY have an idea where I can buy the optional 3-pin SPDIF bracket for this board?
Thanks in advance,
RA

those are available from several places. i see the quetion often on various forum s. It would not be msi unique . it is just a matter of knowing the output and number of pins available on your board.
try these siteshttp://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?&threadid=55195
http://www.compusa.com/
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5859743950&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RSCC_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT
www.buy.com
http://estore.asus.com/shop/features.asp
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Clone TV+VGA K8NGM2-FID GeForce6150

Hello,
i bought a K8NGM2-FID GeForce 6150 for my HTPC. There is a Touchdisplay(vga) in my case.
Now i want to use the TV-out and the VGA-out in Clone-Mode.
But in nview Option i can only switch between TV or VGA, Clone isn't selectable.
I tried the newest driver 81.98 and the newest beta 82.12
IDEA?

Hi, This is info that I found researching this board [thinking about buying one]
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. GeForce 6150 II. Multiple Monitors & TV Support
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Supported Configurations by Onboard Video
The following combinations are supported in DualView mode:
digital monitor (onboard DVI) + analog monitor (onboard VGA)
digital monitor (onboard DVI) + TV (onboard TV out)
Non-Supported Configurations by Onboard Video
As GeForce 6150 has only one RAMDAC (Random Access Memory Digital/Analog Converter) and hence two analog outs are impossible, the following combinations are not supported:
analog monitor (onboard DVI) + analog monitor (onboard VGA). (First of all connecting an analog monitor to onboard DVI is physically impossible because the onboard DVI connector is DVI-D that lacks 4-pin holes and hence a DVI to VGA adapter cannot be used.)
analog monitor (onboard VGA) + TV (onboard TV out). (Note that signals from onboard TV out are analog.)
Supported Configurations by Onboard Video + Dual-Head PCI-Express Video Card
The following combinations are supported in QuadrupleView mode:
monitor (video card) + monitor (video card)+ digital monitor (onboard DVI) + analog monitor (onboard VGA)
monitor (video card) + monitor (video card)+ digital monitor (onboard DVI) + TV (onboard TV out)
Remarks
In the above configurations, the video card is restricted to the nVIDIA brand. If you disable onboard video in BIOS, you can use an ATI video card.
Monitors can be used either landscape mode (default) or portrait mode. To change mode, right click NVIDIA Settings in the system tray, then choose "GPU name (Display #)" > Rotation Settings > Rotate 0, 90, 180, 270 degree.
The description of TV Setup in pages B6 to B8 of Quick User's Guide is wrong (referring to ATI software!). Please download the latest manual from MSI Global site.
The rest of the info can be found here http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=29&threadid=1803985&enterthread=y along with there assessment of other 6150 based m/b

Does K8NGM2-FID support Athlon 64 3700+

Does the K8NGM2-FID mb support the Athlon 64 3700+ cpu? This cpu isn't listed on the mb product page nor is the mb listed on the CPU support page.

Quote from: BernardP on 03-February-06, 00:14:39
Hi, I am new here. I am thinking about buying a K8NGM2-FID, but not too keen about the still immature BIOS.
I note 2 things about the CPU Compatibility List for this board:
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_cpu_support_detail.php?UID=702&kind=1
---There is an error on the list, as both the 3700+ and the 4000+ with E6 stepping are presented as "Toledo core". In fact, Toledo is Dual Core (see a bit higher in the list). 3700+ and 4000+ E6 stepping are also San Diego core, like the E4 stepping of these processors.
--- At the top of the list, there is a link to "Since BIOS Version..." The link is to BIOS 3.1 released less than 3 weeks ago. We can't know for sure if the 3700+ E6 is supported in the previous BIOS 3.0 that is present on boards currently in the retail channel. I would like to know if the 3700+ and 4000+ E6 are supported in BIOS 3.0
One has to be careful about a potential Catch-22 situation. If the board you buy today doesn't support your processor, it might refuse to boot. It will then be impossible to use the computer to download the new BIOS required to support the processor.
Thanks
My 3700+ is San Diego core. It is supported even in 3.0 bios. I don't have a E6 core and cannot confirm whether it is supported or not.

K8NGM2-FID LAN Problem Realtek 8201 CL

For the life of me, I can not get the LAN to work on this board. The Realtek site states that there are no drivers needed for this. The problem I have is that I show the LAN is working correctly,but XP keeps reporting that there is a cable disconnected. A PCI NIC works fine in the motherboard. What do you need to install to get this working?

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The exact NIC is the VITESSE vsc8201RX.
That is correct Richard, he said he has the 8201CL version which did not add up.
VITESSE VSC8201RX only available on K8NGM2-FID
Realtek 8201CL only available on K8NGM2-IL and K8NGM2-L

Are the nVidia 6150 based motherboards like the MSI K8NGM2-FID an Ok choice?

I have an MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum, but there are many reasons why I would be interested in swapping for the nVidia 6150 motherboard. It is smaller, has no chipset fan and has built-in video with DVI output. I don't play many games, but the video on the MSI K8NGM2-FID is probably at least as good or much better than my AGP Geforce2 GTS (hehehe). Also, I have a feeling that the audio on the MSI K8NGM2-FID may be better and the motherboard overall may run a little cooler. I don't plan to install any PCI cards except perhaps a capture card.
Does anybody have any experience with the MSI K8NGM2-FID for example? Or with the gigabyte or Asus 6150 based board? Is it at least comparable to the K8N Neo2 Platinum in terms of performance?
thanx,

I have no hands on experience with the board, but i do think that if you are looking to upgrade from an AGP platform to a PCI-e platform without the intentions of playing games seriously, any board from MSI with onboard video would be a good choice...

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