K8T-Neo Ati 9600xt troubleshooting

Alright, I have a complication and need assistance. I think I either have a new, but defective Ati Sapphire 9600xt video card or there is a compatibility issue with the K8T-Neo. I have a system (specs to follow), that works perfect with an Ati 8500. When I install a Ati 9600xt Sapphire board, the screen recieves a signal ("no signal received" message stops bouncing around as a screen saver) but the screen remains blank (monitor power button led stays yellow, doesn't turn green). The hard drive led runs, but the computer doesn't boot, it just beeps approximately 8 times, goes quiet for a second or two, then just beeps. No boot. Blank Screen. I've tried all the Bios. All the drivers. All the different devices unplugged. Different voltage to the agp. Different slots and single chip of the RAM. Overclocked and normal settings. Believe you me, I've read and done most of the recommendations from other questions/threads. Still, nothing with the Sapphire ATI 9600xt, but perfect with the ATI 8500 (which I plan to put in to a computer built for my friend).
Athlon 64 3000+ (excellent cooling)
MSI K8T-Neo (all bios/drivers up to date as of 12/14/2004)
Corsair 1022MB DDR400 3200 RAM (2x512)
WD 40mb IDE 7200rpm
Toshiba CD-Rom/DVD 52x/16x
Artec CDR/CDR-W 48x/48x/24x
ATI 8500 (computer works perfect)
ATI 9600 (computer flat out doesn't boot)
Power supply:
450w
(+5v=45a,+12v=16a,+3.3v=20a,sb+5v=2a,-5v=0.5a,-12v=0.5a)
Am I doing too much work, should I just return it and get a different brand, chip, style, etc.........of video card?

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Originally posted by samiam
Well, your statement does make sense I guess. I just hate to spend $100 on a good power supply to find out it still doesn't work. I'm just looking to make sure I've covered all bases...... Make sure there aren't known compatibility issues with the K8T-Neo and the Ati 9600xt. I'll probably buy a better power supply if this is REALLY what usually works for most people. I'm just afraid to get the new supply, and still have nothing but more money spent.....like everyone probably.
samiam
The most important component on these comps is the PSU, I run the Vid card you have, not a problem, but then I have the amps to do it. The PSU you have is overloaded , it will fail one day, if it blows and fries your rig, then replacement will be a lot more than $100. Why buy a superb sports car, and put a lawnmower engine in it, better with just the lawnmower, it will be more use to you.
This CPU contains the NB, and controls most things, the Mobo is less employed than with previous boards. These rigs run on +12v, the 3.3v and +5v, are not so important on here as on a Intel machine. Your vid card will need about 6 amps of clean power to run well, the mobo and CPU need 12 amps, Fans, Disk Drives all need amps, as do PCI cards, Ram and just about everything on this rig - +12v.
25 amps will run your rig, over 30 amps much better, all the little niggles and freeses disappear. Plus it will run faster and sharper. Buy a good PSU first, then add the rest
cheers
jocko

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[Athlon64] MSI K8T NEO-V : incompatibility with ATI RADEON 9800 PRO

Hi,
I read all the subjets on this forum about Radeon problems with MSI K8T NEO motherboard. Most of the peple can't use their graphic card in all situations.
My PC is :
-MSI K8T NEO-V
-AMD-64 3200
-Power : 400W
-ATI RADEON 9800 PRO
-1 Go DDRAM (2x512 in single channel)
-Hercules Digifires 7.1
I bought a new MSI K8T NEO-V with AMD 64.
The problem is that I can't use the computer in the games with AGP 8X even if I try to enable-disable all the options possibles in BIOS and Windows (fast write ...) : The computer freeze (screen disapear as if there was no video signal), reboot or return to Windows disabling the accelerated mode.
But in AGP 4X, all the game run without problem with all setups of BIOS !!!
I tried all the drivers (the new and the old drivers). Even if all are updated, it freeze.
There are no BIOS update for my motherboard. I saw that some people had BIOS update for compatibility with some Radeon cards ...
So, I don't know how to repair the problem because AGP 8X is AGP 8X and not 4X, and my Radeon run fine on other computer, and nothing say that Radeon 9800 pro don't run on this motherboard.
Does someone have the solution to make it work ? Does a new BIOS or driver update exist somewhere for Radeon cards ?

What Bas said about 30+ amps on the 12v rail does have merit. Even if you don't use it now there may come a time when you want to upgrade the system and certainly you won't want to buy yet another PSU then. A High end vid card now takes almost as much as the CPU to operate. Now days the 12v rail is the most important. Past systems regulated everything off the 5v railk and 12v was used mostly for powering drive motors. Now though the MB's use the 12v line to regulate all the voltages for the CPU, Chipset and other features as does the Vid cards. 3.3 volt lines are used for memory so we hardly use any 5v nowdays.
You have an older viod card and that does not eat much 12v but if you upgrade the most likely peice will be the vid card. You could go through this whole thing all over again if you are not careful to plan for that now with a new PSU purchase.
If the computer shop gives you a bunch of bull about power needs havbe them stop by the forum and we can help set them straight on this. There is more than enough data from MSI and historical data here that suggests that 16a on the 12v rail is certainly not enough. Hey I am not trying to sell you anything. I am just trying to help you get it right. The computer shop is the one trying to sell you something we just feel they are selling the wrong junk.

Best bios settings for K8T Neo + Athlon 64 3200+ + ATI 9700 Pro ?

Hi, i just got my k8T Neo (MS-6702) and can't figure out the best/most stable settings in the bios for my system yet. I am mainly using my computer for GAMES, so this is what i am talking about when i say "optimization"
I got an ATI 9700 Pro, an Athlon 64 3200+ and 2x512 mb of Kingston Value Ram (bank 1 and 2).
The main settings i really don't know how to set are:
-Internal Cache
-External Cache
-System Bios Cacheable
-C000, 32k Shadow
-MPS Revision
-AGP Fastwrite
-AGP Aperture Size
I wish i could get rid of any instability problems, i had a few crashes so far. Yet, i would like to set my system to get the most of my hardware in terms of speed.
Thanks in advance for your help guys !

internal cache-on
external cache-on
system bios-disabe
c shadow stuff-disable
agp fastwrite on unless you have problems, you'll know fast
agp apperature size..depends on sys ram if over 512 best to atleast 128, if not 256
(official recomadation is 1/2 your system ram)
disable any onboard stuff you dont use like sound,sata controlers,
quick boot enable. smart enable
logo disable, floppy drive seek disable,
i wouldnt mess with mps table version.
power management to s3 usb wake enable..power management agm-disable
suspend time-disable-...set wakeup events hit enter, choose kbc & or mouse.
that should get you started.

Problems with 9600XT and k8t Neo 2

I have a problem with my 9600XT and my board...
Sometimes the board indicates grafic-card failure at post (8 beeps in a row).
After som trying it will work and windows will start. Games work just fine!
I should say that when i installed the new board my old 9600XT didnt work (8 beeps) And i had it replaced, and after getting the new 9600XT (RMA-return) it have worked just fine until a few days ago...
MSI k8t neo 2
Sapphire 9600XT
AMD 64 3500+
Q-TEC 550w (possible problem?)
Bios: 3.30
I also have a problem with the data execution (dont know it in english). explorer.exe is shutting down sometimes due to the data execution protection. No viruses according to nod32...

Maybe you should your memory module in DIMM2 (the other green one), if it's in DIMM1 right now. Or you could try another module, if possible.
Here are the beep codes:
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Beep codes for AMIBIOS (American Megatrends, Inc.):
Boot Block Beep Codes
Number of Beeps; Description:
1 ; Insert diskette in floppy drive A:
2 ; ‘AMIBOOT.ROM’ file not found in root directory of diskette in A:
3 ; Base Memory error
4 ; Flash Programming successful
5 ; Floppy read error
6 ; Keyboard controller BAT command failed
7 ; No Flash EPROM detected
8 ; Floppy controller failure
9 ; Boot Block BIOS checksum error
10 ; Flash Erase error
11 ; Flash Program error
12 ; ‘AMIBOOT.ROM’ file size error
13 ; BIOS ROM image mismatch (file layout does not match image present in flash device)
POST BIOS Beep Codes
Number of Beeps; Description:
1 ; Memory refresh timer error.
2 ; Parity error in base memory (first 64KB block)
3 ; Base memory read/write test error
4 ; Motherboard timer not operational
5 ; Processor error
6 ; 8042 Gate A20 test error (cannot switch to protected mode)
7 ; General exception error (processor exception interrupt error)
8 ; Display memory error (system video adapter)
9 ; AMIBIOS ROM checksum error
10 ; CMOS shutdown register read/write error
11 ; Cache memory test failed
Seems to me it's a POST bios beep code...keep trying with the Radeon 9600XT card installed.

My Unofficial K8t Neo Guide

Disclaimer: You try any and all troubleshooting at YOUR OWN RISK!!
Here is my unofficial guide to the K8t Neo fisr2 If you Like It give it a thumbs up so it will stick out. I will warn you it is long and I will edit off and on.
to add as needed.
first I'll start off with components,
CASE..you will need an atx case with good cooling a few extra fans like a blowhole at the top can help cooling, also bundle cables and power leads
so that they don't interfere with airflow.
MOTHERBOARD,...This is based on the K8TNEO series, when you attach it to your case make sure that is is mounted to risers to keep it from contacting case, they are usually small brass pins, also make sure that all the mounting screw are secure and in place, this will prevent the PCB from flexing and cracking as you install components, there should be around 9 or so screws, that usually go into the riser pins or raised case mounting points,don't forget to use those fiber or plastic insulated washers. These should be the only case contact point to the mobo other then the back plate with all the usb, net jacks etc..
Also use all of the mount points you can..if not you can crack mobo putting in cards etc...
CPU...Athlon64 processor2800+, 3000+, 3200+, or a 3400+, all 754 pin chips...k8neo CAN NOT USE FX chips or Opterons. 3200,&3000 are basically the same chip, same clockspeed of 2.0 ghz but the l2 cache is different 3200 1mb...3000 512k, you may not notice the difference in many applications but will see 2~10% diff in benchmark testing, the 3000 is usually about $75 cheaper
the 2800 is a newer model an a good way to get into 64bit without high cost.
PSU.... one of the most overlooked and most important component,
that old 300 watter you have from your old duron 800 don't even try.PSU's have caused a lot of trouble with a64 systems, they use a lot of power Get a good name brand psu if you can, and make sure it is at least 400 watts and has at the minimum of 20a on 12v, also look at combined total wattage
the psu must have a 20 pin connector and a 4 Pin( Square) Connector, and there is Only 1, Called the+12V 4 Pin Processor Connector.
some of the recommended brands are enermax,and antec.
Here is the reason most problems are the psu
amd64 uses 12v power, Intel chips used a lot of 5v power.
so until now most big psu's pushed 5 v not 12v
almost everything in your computer uses 12v except ram (3.3V)
AMD 64 and motherboard =12a @12V
so your already at 12A with no fan,s no hd, no CD,no DVD ,no mobo chip-set , no mem, no sound..etc
so what happens is your mem gets starved for power and then gives out errors,in your data, which = corrupt sata,or it fails to post. .
MEMMORY...Another big trouble spot,not just with the MSI board but with Via chip-set, and or the A64 memory controller.
DDR non ecc- single channel 400 is baseline although slower chips also work, The CPU's memory unit only supports 4 banks total so in order to use three sockets at least two of the memory sticks have to be 1 bank,.one bank or two bank chips look similar so check specs, dual bank chips usually have chips on the back as well. mem should match type and speed. if you run into problems try going into bios and limiting ram to 333.mem should match type and speed.
(edited out till i find more info [STRIKEOUT] if using two mem sticks it is best to use slots 1 and 3,[/STRIKEOUT])
edit :ok tiresmoke just replied so have a look. "One thing that often does not get addressed. I had a couple Blue Screens early on. Here is how I fixed it. I run my RAM in sockets 1 and 3. 1 and 2 gave a little instability.Yes I decided to keep mine in slot 1/3 but I did test in 1/2 since I changed Bios. Typically slot 1/3 can slow you down but it did not with mine so best to say that difference RAM will give different symptoms. Try combinations to find what works best for you."
LOL Keep in mind that Jocko uses 3 sticks of dual bank RAM and according to AMD they only support 4 banks total. Jocko has 6 so you do the math.
you can check msi's website for compatible ram, but be careful it can be confusing,
they list by part numbers,
but some known configurations that work are:
I would stay away from corsair xms mem right now many people have problems.
corsair and kingston owners may want to look here
AMD 3000+ systems...
BIOS 1.2
2 x 512 - Corsair CMX DDR400 @2-3-2-5
2 x 512 - Corsair Twin Pro DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
2 x 512 - Corsair Value Select DDR400 @ defaults
1 x 512 - Geil Golden Dragon DDR400 @ 2-3-3-6 (2.7V)
2 x 512 - Hynix DDR400 @ 2-3-3-6
2 x 512 - Kingmax DDR433 @ 2.5-3-3-6
2 x 512 - Kingston DDR400 @ 3-3-3-8
1 x 512 - Kingston HyperX DDR400 @ (defaults?)
1 x 512 - Kingston ValueRam (KVR400X64C3A) DDR400? @ (Defaults?)
2 x 512 - Muskin Level 1 DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
2 x 512 - Muskin Level 2 DDR433 @ (defaults?)
2 x 256 + 1 x 512 - Muskin Basic DDR400 @ 2.5-3-3-8
1 x 1024 - OCZ EL DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
BIOS 1.3b2
2 x 512 OCZ EL DDR433 @ 2-3-3-7
AMD 3200+ systems...
BIOS 1.1
2 x 512 - Mushkin Level 1 Black DDR433 @ 2.5-3-3-6
BIOS 1.2
2 x 512 - Apacer DDR400 @ 3-4-4-8 (2.5v)
2 x 512 - Corsair Twin X DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
1 x 1024 - Corsair TwinX DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
2 x 512 - Crucial DDR400 @ defaults
2 x 512 - Elixer OEM DDR400 @ defaults
1 x 1024 - GeIL GoldenDragon DDR400? @ defaults
2 x 512 - Geil Value Series 512MB DDR 2.5-3-3-6
2 x 512 - Hynix DDR400 @ 2-3-3-6
2 x 512 - Kingston HyperX KX DDR433 @ 2-3-3-8
2 x 512 - Kingston HyperX DDR400 @ (defaults?)
2 x 512 - Kingston HyperX DDR400 @ 2.5-3-3-8
2 x 512 - Mushkin Level 2 DDR400 @ 2-2-2-5 (2.75V)
2 x 256 - Mushkin Level 2 DDR400 @ 2-2-2-5
2 x 256 + 1 x 512 - Muskin Basic DDR400 @ (defaults?)
2 x 512 - Twinx CLPRO DDR400 @ (defaults?)
2x512- Pny Verto DDR433 @defualts
AMD 3400+ systems...
BIOS 1.2
2 x 512 - Kingmax (MPXC22D-38KT3R) DDR400 @ defaults
2 x 512 - Mushkin Level 2 Black DDR433 @ 2-3-2-5
you may have to email you mem manufacturer and manually set timings and voltages to get your memory working.
HARD DRIVES......Here you have alot of choices, basically two categories, SATA and PATA(IDE). There are many brands and speeds, IDE drives come in different speeds, such as ata33, ata66, ata 100, ata 133 for hard drives, the 33,100,133, being theoretical maximum transfer rating MB/sec.
newer ata(IDE)hard drives are ata100 which is ultra 5, and ata133 ,ultra6 is ,
PIO mode is the standard data transfer mode without the ultra enhancements, the fastest being 16.66 mb/sec. ultra 2 is 33 mb/sec . So when i say my CD,DVD, and DVD are ultra 2 it means they transfer at a maximum of 33 mb/sec, and my Maxtor hardrives are ultra 6 and have a maximum transfer of133 mb/sec. my old zip100 transfers at a max of 16 mb/sec since its in pio mode. Note these are maximum speeds, my hardrive transfers more like 65 mb/sec sustained according to SIS Sandra.
That is why SATA 150 is such a big deal, vs say a Western digital ata100
SATA is a different interface all together and can transfers closer to its maximum
theoretical speed. BUT the pci bus itself is limited to 133 mb/sec so an add-on card
should never be able to reach over 133, regardless, of SCSI,IDE, or SATA
so on the k8t neo you have some choices. With the IDE you can use, IDE1,2, or 3
IDE1&2 are ata100. ) to attach use a 80pin round or flat cable, the first slot goes into the mobo, the middle connector is for a slave or should be left empty, use the end for master, or single drive. you must also setup jumpers for hd or cds.
The master is primary unit and the slave is secondary unit, for each channel.
Or use the Cable Select jumper and USUALLY the BIOS will select the drive for you.
IDE1 & 2 is ata100, or 133 depending on board if using for only 2 drives put them on different channels
...ie master on IDE 1, and master on IDE 2 . that way they will have maximum bandwidth. especially for disk to disk copies or burning
IDE3 RAID is ata133, or can be raid 0 or 1 by the promise chip. 0 being striped for performance,1 being mirrored for safety, mirror only protects hd from failure,not viruses,or corruption for that you need a backup or as i prefer a drive image program such as accronis trueimage..linux compatible.and Norton ghost.you will first have to enable the promise chip in the bios, then you have to load drivers by hitting F6 during windows installation, and insert floppy drive, yes you will need a floppy, at least for initial setup. If you want to set up raid you will have to do that first before loading windows,by hitting ctrl+F (read quick user's guide Serial ata raid, serial ata) only hd's can use ide3.If you don't have enough IDE slots you can add on pci card with one or two more headers for up to 4 more drives, I added a Maxtor ultra ata133, since i have 5 idehd's and 3 DVD/cds.
SATA, here you have two choices, use the Promise chip set or the Via. Either one or both can be set to raid0 or 1, see users guide to setup, You will also have to enable them first in bios, and F6 and load floppy drivers to use in windows install, or load drivers in windows if using an existing install. either chip-set can be set for raid, in the manual, opinions are that the Via is faster, but you wont have a HD LED activity indicator light, The promise will have a HD light, but is slightly slower.
Also note that SATAs don't OC as well as IDE hard drives, they can even crash and loose data.
always make a backup of your computer, and remember raid 1 does nothing for virus, or contaminated installs.
SOUND....Here you have a few choices, On board or Card, unfortunately not both, yet.(UPDATE Bios Version 1.5 and above will fix this)... If using a card there have been some issues with Audigy 1 cards, but there may be a cure in this threadhttps://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threadid=46849&sid=( Moved to stickies) audigy2 and 2zs cards work fine as do turtle beach.
on-board sound is not as high definition and uses some CPU cycles, so a card might be advantageous to gamers.
REALTEK GIGABIT...Is the on-board Ethernet, you will need to load drivers once in windows, it has caused some problems booting, as it can be set to a boot device as well. you will get a message "failed to boot press any key."..then "ntdlr error"...to fix this you may need to hit the key combination during boot to set it up, it will bring you to a menu, you need to set boot order, i recommend setting it to bios, and you can adjust or disable message and time length it is displayed.
VIDEO CARDS- You should install an agp 8x directx9 video card for best performance. Ati has better directx support so is better for gaming, but Nvida has better OpenGL so if you want to do 3d in Linux, you have better luck with Nvida.
When you set up windows, install via 4-1 drivers first, then the video drivers, check video manufacturer's website for updated drivers. make sure any extra power leads are plugged in. In bios Agp should be fast write enabled, and
if you are using 1024 of ram aperture size to 256, but check 3dmark to see which setting is faster.
BIOS- NO BIOS INSTALLED This is a message that you see during boot up from the promise on-board raid saying that it found no drives attached to its SATA or IDE channels so it's not installed the BIOS.This IS NOT a problem or anything to worry about!
jumping Bios reset jumper, be careful, make sure power is off. jump it and return it to the original position. If you power on with jumper in reset position you can erase your bios...requiring a Return to Manufacturer Authorization(RMA)
I have had no problems using windows updating to the latest bios ,It cured some issues, such as firewire ports, sound blaster audigy1 troubles,tweaked temps displayed,and so on. but be sure to have a backup of original bios disk. I have heard new 1.8 beta bios cures Newcastle temp problems.
some good settings are.. SMART enabled this will warn you of hard disk failure,System bios cacheble and shadow ram are more for older computers and should be set to disable.boot to os2- disable...memory setting vary by card and some even need to be set manually so check with manufacturer or get familiar with cmos reset jumper.(just be sure to have power off)...plug and play os to disable(more of a win 98 thing) disable serials and parallel ports if you don't need them, as with on-board sound firewire etc. this is just a few pointers the rest is a more personal thing, but i have heard turbo setting causes problems and is best left to fast, and dynamic oc'ing is similar use at your own risk
USB keyboard don't forget to enable USB in the BIOS. This caused some problems when installing XP. Without USB enabled in BIOS when you come to the "Hit any key to proceed" the install will fail with the ntldr error
POWER SAVINGS...Having trouble getting fans or case lights to shut off on standby set to S3, then disable apm, and be sure to set a wakeup event..such as wake from usb, or keyboard command. I have agp boot disable, but depends on card.
Want to know more about bios, and what those settings are? click this link
http://www.rojakpot.com/(eb1mg5zatgcf5r55lv5no155)/default.aspx?location=9
CORE CENTER....Another personal choice, I like it and use it a lot, to increase and decrease fsb without going through bios. the NB fan sensor should read 0 unless you plug a fan onto it, personally i have an 80mm antec and it doesn't read it, but i tried a old CPU fan and it worked fine.
COOL AND QUIET Another personal choice, I don't use it because some people have had there CPUs power down in the middle of games, and such
(it goes down to 800 MHz) others had small bugs in there system that went away when they disabled it. But some like it and use it a lot. Good for energy savings.
want to get your boot time down
start by selecting OS drive as first in boot sequence, you can always change bios when you want to boot from floppy or CD(which isn't often).disable floppy drive seek
then clean out your startup folder under rt click explore start button.
try and get services set to auto down to about 25. defrag your hdrive routinely,
. ditch wall paper, and get rid of windows startup screen.(msconfig,boot.ini.and check noguiboot). keep your drivers updated
if you can find it you can use then try bootvis, but microsoft doesn't support it anymore.Programs ..some useful free utilities are listed below, check goggle, until i make links for them.
SiS Sandrahttp://www.sisoftware.net/, a good all around benchmark,burn in and, info display
3DMARK.http://www.futuremark.com/download/.Mostly a Video tester, good for checking OC though.
Microsoft Memory testerms memtester
+86memtest.http://www.memtest86.com/..and Prime95http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htmvery good mem testers, and tests for stability
spybot search and destroy, http://www.safer-networking.org/index.php?page=homeand
Lavasoft's ad-aware http://www.lavasoftusa.comgot to have for house cleaning.
atitool, http://atitool.ocfaq.com/oc ap for ati cards,click find max core let it go for 15min or so,then set back to default, and click find max mem...for 15min or so, and now you have the max you can set your video card too.(but set safety limits before manually setting)
[STRIKEOUT]mbm5 mbm5 link good alternative temp readings to corecenter.[/STRIKEOUT]
good program but discontinued.
OTHER USEFUL PROGRAMS
Norton utilities, good all around disk and OS utility
Norton Internet secuirity, or similar firewall and virus protector
Norton ghost, or other drive image software fantastic for backups
BF1942...lol just fun
HOME NETWORKING I will add this part because of additional posing of errors
dealing with USB Broadband routers...try using on board realtek or other Ethernet connection it will save your sanity.
well i have a real poor mans router setup for you
2 Ethernet slots, one for for broadband router and one to share.
if you only want one other computer, use a crossover cable, otherwise, use a hub or switch(better) and let Internet connection wizard and home networking on your machines work their magic,want a firewall download some software there are even, fairly decent free ones.the speed of the card isn't important because broadband still isn't over 10mb/sec yet, so blow the dust off that card in the closet and put it to work.or if your really brave or really cheap you can try to use the usb input from broadband, and on board ether, or firewire port, to link computers
Trouble shooting
for total no boot/post failure
I know you may know how to build a computer, and i know this is basic, so bear with me here, but at this point you have to do a methodical by the book check list.
revision
A: when you first install your motherboard make sure it does not contact case,
use all nine mounting points, make sure that your case either has built in risers, or use the small brass standoffs, and don't forget the fiber washers.
when you installed your CPU you:
1 ___you properly handle equipment so no static damage can occur, (properly grounded)
2____.you fully lift the CPU ziff socket arm up, orient the gold triangle marking arrow,pins and it easily dropped into socket, with no bent pins ,
3 ___ backer plate mounted carefully no missing pieces of the board flying off, ( i have seen people launch capacitors, and the like )
4 ____obviously you removed the plastic thermal pad cover, and heatsink was evenly locked down, and fully seated, and correctly plugged into mobo cpufan1.
and you fully removed old thermal pad/grease and applied new artic silver, or new heatsink with plastic on pad,you didn't reuse old paste or pad.
memory
5 _____memory stick(not sticks, at this point you just want to get it working, not full blast with a gig of ram etc)is fully seated and properly oriented in slot, and is 184 pin ddr non-registered , non ecc ram , and you have tried different non corsair, non twinmoss, brands that have been known to work. and/ or
tried to set manually mem speed/voltage for some models of corsair, twinmoss, and kingston)
6.____ plug in only power switch pins 6,8and power led to jfp1, pins 2,4 and they are turned correctly,
7. ____your new psu has the 20 pin and square 4 pin power connector plugged in to jpw1 turned right and fully seated. and has a bare min of 18a on 12v+ rail.
8 ____your video card is fully seated an locked down,also securely screwed in.
9 ____your floppy drive cable iss facing right way (pin1 is matched with red stripe)
10. ____you have ata cables for hd and CD set to master/slave or cs. with hard drive set as master, end of cable.
11 _____the power plugs are all fully seated, including psu rear plug,floppy ,hd, and CD.
12. _____keyboard(ps2) and mouse plugged in, monitor plugged into video card,
13 ______every thing is fully secured in case, side cover is off.
14 ______CMOS jumper is set 1,2 keep data, all usb stuff is unplugged, except for dbracket.
power it up, one beep, fans spin, in psu and CPU, and video card,
you get no bios found error,(promise adapter not finding satas..no worries)
or hit Del to go into bios, set boot order, and .......
.........your now at the end of the road, and it should by all means work,
now what i am after,
there are no bent pins, on CPU, you reapplied artic silver paste.
no loose wires,
properly applied heat sink with fan cooling,
you have tried different brands of known ,to work in an MSI k8tneo
ddr ram 1 stick at a tme.
you have tried different video cards, and in case of higher end card, the external molex power supply as plugged in,
you have tried different ata hard drives
you then have tried have set up your SATA drive correctly .
everything is securely plugged in ..fully seated and oriented the right way?
what are d-bracket error light, and any beep codes?
you have tried a different wall outlet, you have changed surge protectors,
you never hot plugged video cards, hd cables or power etc.
i know this redundant , and basic , it is not meant to be insulting , it is meant to be a checklist and rule out all basic errors and potential problems
if your mem bandwidth is slower then 3000..like 2400 this may help
Received from a user - Slow memory 1T Command fix
OK, here's what to do. Download the following ftp://ftp.vector.co.jp/pack/win95/hardware/other/wpcrs120.exe extract it, and run InstDD.exe. It'll ask to reboot, you don't need to do it right away, at least I didn't have to. Fire up WPCRSET.exe and do the following. Under startup, click on start, and under device, click enable. Now click add. The bus device and function will be 0,24, and 2. The register and data values will be the 93,08. There we have it! Enjoy everyone. I know I'm much happier now.
Here's a graphic to make it easier:
I will add more by edit, or post as needed but i should post now so it can be put to use.
I would like to Thank BAS,wonkaboy, Jocko, ethereal, Tiresmoke, Reilly, and the many others whose valued input helps solve problems.

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amd 64=12a @12V
ati 9800=7.5~10.5a @12V (assuming 90~125 watts) a max load,
a 9600 ir nvida 5200 used far less power
so your already at 18a with no fan,s no hd, no cd,no dvd ,no mobo chipset , no mem, no sound..etc
If you exclude the motherboard, memory, etc like you did there, the amd 64 draws 7.2A @ 12V.
90~125W for an ATI 9800?! [irony]Are you working for a PSU manufacturer or what?[/irony] That's just absurd.
Go read this post to get a feel for the actual power consumption: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?postid=297061&sid=#post297061

MSI K8T Neo - Video switch off, sound glitches

Hi
First post, and im hoping someone can PLEASE help me.
Im currently using the following:
MSI K8T Neo FISR-2 Mobo (pretty sure thats it)
64 AMD 3200+
512 DDR @ 333
2 IDE HDs
GEXCUBE 9600XT etc etc
Now problem 1) I use my computer for work alot, i.e I use Microsoft word, and im typing away getting alot of work done when all of a sudden, blank screen, it acts like i havent touched anything and just powered down the monitor, but no matter what i do i cant get it back up and thus i have to reboot. (This occurs after around 15 odd minutes of work on word)
-Ive tried everything i can think of, updated whatever, even taken to computer places and they have no idea, rebooted CMOS, havent update BIOS cause im scared but if you got any ideas let me know
Problem 2) not as bad as the first but my sound, using onboard AC97 and Logitech Z640s i have this weird static shitty background scrathcy noise which is annoying, and i cant get it cleared up.
-Tried updating drivers etc, sounds not maxed out, even get the sound when i switch off the speakers and plug in my headphonse so...
If you can help on either of these things please either reply here or email me on [email protected]
THANKYOU!!!

For ATI related monitor signal loss issues, check here:
Rage3D forum direct link
I personally have a AIW9600Pro and haven't experience the aforementioned problems, so I don't know what to add, but I'm sure these folks at Rage3D forums can help. It's already upto 15 pages, so there must be some useful info in there...
For statics, I find that by turning off Mic Gain (or sometimes called Mic Boost) from your Windows Volume control sometimes does the trick. If you use extension cables, you might want to check for interference, too.
Hope this helps,
David

[msi k8t neo]problem after flashing to 2.20

hello
i have a MS-6702 (K8T Neo-FIS2R) motherboard and after flashing my bios it shows my ddr400 ram as ddr 333
here is my system config:
athlon 64 2800+
2x256 ddr 400
1x80gb and 1x120gb sata seagate hdd
ati radeon 9600xt
win xp sp1
also please could you tell me if i could use the ddr 533 sticks with my config....
thank you

thanks...
but i think its because the ddrs were made by 2 diff manuf. and the new bios reports the cas lwrong for both both are actually 2.5 but it shows 2.5 for one and 3 for the other....dont know why thuis happened...and cpu-z shows one clocked at 166.7 and the other at 200......
also the ddr 533s would not be able to give their full potential in my config?...
as i am planning to get new ddrs as i have to give these to my bro...

MSI K8T-Neo problem: Extended Powerdown to Post

Hello All,
I just upgraded my computer with a new K8T-NEO motherboard and AMD 64 3200+ processor. The other parts from my old system were transferred over. Here's the problem:
- If I reboot from Windows it doesn't post--no video signal even. The fans are going but the drives never spin up.
- If I turn off the computer completely, then power it on again, no post or drives spinning
- If I turn the computer off completely, AND LEAVE IT OFF for at least two minutes, the computer posts and boots fine.
Once I'm in Windows the machine seems to run rock solid.
Here are my other components:
ATI Radeon 9600 PRO AGP
2X256MB PC2100DDR ram (Samsung)
SB Live 5.1
Antec Truepower 350W PSU (bought less than 3 months ago and worked fine in my Athlon 1500)
I have no other add-in boards, and to troubleshoot the problem I removed my SB live, and swapped by ATI for an older Nvidia card I had lying around-- no difference.
My guess is either some sort of capacitor problem on the motherboard, or something wrong with the PSU. However, since it's a good name brand and worked fine in my old PC, I'm skeptical of this.
Before I RMA this board, anybody have any suggestions?
Thanks,
Jason

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Originally posted by Ycore
I'm at work at the moment, but as soon as I get home I'll be sure to look up the info. I'll take a peek online and see if I can find it though, and I'll post it if I do. I got some extra case fans and some tie-wraps to install anyways. I really hope it's not the mainboard that's the problem-- I've taken my computer apart way to many times in the last few months
Thanks again,
Jason
While you are at it, check your power management settings in BIOS.
I have a *similar* issue. Except that if I use the "reboot now" command or "shutdown -r now" under linux, it shuts down, powers up but wont post; these commands attempt to use ACPI functions to soft reboot. However, if I have a hard shutdown "shutdown -h" or a power off, it posts fine. Jumpering the reset switch briefly also works; so *hard* resets are ok, soft resets not.
I suspect it is possible the bios is not managing certain acpi functions relating to soft shutdowns and restarts well.
err!
jak.

K8T Neo-V / Keyboard not detected

Here are my specs:
Motherboard: K8T Neo-V
CPU: AMD Athlon64 3100+
RAM: Kingston 512 MB PC3200
AGP: ATI Radeon 9700 Pro
HD: Maxtor SATA 80 GB Drive
PSU: Xion 400 watt (14A Max on +12V1, 15A Max on +12V2)
What I get upon booting:
PS2 Keyboard Not Found
CMOS Checksum Bad
Press F1 to load SETUP
Press F10 to load default values and continue
I don't know what the problem could be. Needless to say, there's nothing I'm able to do without a keyboard.
I have tried booting with everything in the case, as well as on a piece of cardboard (the way it is now). I still get the same error.
I have tried four keyboards. I used two OLD PS2 Keyboards (P1 era), 1 newer PS2 Keyboard (although unsure of age), and 1 USB Keyboard with a USB-to-PS/2 Convertor. No success. All four keyboards are functional in my two other PC's.
Any ideas? I have never tried an MSI board before; I'm thinking that may have been a huge mistake. I've never had these problems before. Is it RMA time?

The motherboard was purchased online by a friend (as I'm simply building it for him). I asked him about this and he said everything indicates that it's new... but you never know. This could have been returned by another user. It was purchased as a Mobo+CPU combo, but still came in a "sealed" box.
I've cleared the CMOS several times during my troubleshooting, but not while unplugging the AC cord. I just unplugged the AC cord, and changed the CMOS jumper. I let it sit for a minute, swapped back the jumper and plugged in the cord. Had the same problem. Now it also adds "Date/Time not set" to the list of errors mentioned above.
Any other ideas

PC with K8T Neo stopped powering up

Hello,
I built a pc with MSI K8T Neo motherboard, Athlon 64 3200+ processor, 1 Gig (2 x 512) Kingston value PC3200 RAM, ATI Radeon 9600 XT with 128 RAM, Maxtor 80 gig hd in a PowMax case with 400 W power supply. I installed Window 2000 on my machine with no problems. After I installed the video driver (3.10) the machine told me to reboot, which I did. However, the machine did not power back up and did not turn on through the power button. I used a volt meter to test both the power supply and the power button -- both work. I also took out the battery on the motherboard to reboot CMOS to no effect. I am starting to think that the problem could be with the motherboard but I am not sure.
Thanks for any advice.

did a cord maybe come loose or something?
this is the wierdest problem i have heard of so far...

[Athlon64] TV tuner problems on MSI k8t neo

Hello,
I used TV@nywhere Master. Since beginning it worked.
After graphic card reclamation (MSI GeForce 6800 LE) I tried another graphic cards (at first Legend 64 [1 MB, PCI], later Riva TNT 2 vanta [16 MB, AGP], GeForce 5600 VIVO [128 MB, AGP]). With this Legend graphic card at first my PC beeps for a while, but Windows XP started (even without graphic drivers). I tried another graphic cards (with correct graphic drivers), but since then there was no video on my TV tuner (channels were recognized, sound was possible to hear, but only black screen). I got new GeForce 6800 LE card, but the problem was the same also with this card.
I reinstalled windows XP several times, but always with the same behavior.
Maybe similar as it is mentioned here:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=27537.msg158205#msg158205 (TV@nywhere Master sound but only black picture.)
I tested TV tuner at my friend's PC and it worked, so TV tuner is not broken.
So I bought new TV tuner card (Sapphire theatrix 550), but this card was not even detected under Windows device manager.
When I tried to install ATI drivers, I got BSOD and my PC was restarted.
(there was no problem at my friend's PC [athlon xp 2200, nforce 2 chipset])
Is it problem with PCI slots of my motherboard?
My system:
MSI k8t neo (k8t800 chipset)
Athlon 64-3000+
512 MB DDR
MSI GeForce 6800 LE
Windows XP SP2

Just to note:
there was also problem with network (not detected).
Reclamation was necessary.
There was no similar problem with returned motheboard.

Geil Ram and K8T NEO?

Geil Value Series 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200
Will this work with a K8T Neo FSR?

I have 2 512mb sticks in my PC and they work fine. However, I have read that they may use different memory chips within there series which may cause an issue. I don't know how true that is though.
AMD Athlon 64 2800+ (212FSb)
K8T NEO-FSR
Thermaltake Silent Boost K8
MSI ATI 9800 Pro Plus (R360)
2 x Geil Value Series 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200
WD 120 GB HD
Case – Antec Oveture (True 380 PSU)

K8T neo wont boot

I have a
K8t Neo
amd 64 2800
512 hyperx ram
ati 256 video card
and i put in a new ati wonder, restarted the computer and got nothing. Took the componet out got nothing, started taking out peice by piece untill only the MOBo was left still nothing, and i mean you know how when you start the computer the keyboard light flashes, it won't do that half the time, and doesn't get any father if it does, I have tried everything i can think of reseting the bios and cmos, putting in a diffrent video card, moving the ram, trying diffrent ram, nothing, i don't know if it's the mobo or the amd64, i don't have a usb thing with the 4 lights, so i can't use that to help.
If anyone has any thing they can suggest please, contact, i think it might be the mobo even though power if going through, cpu fan and what not still starts, but it could be the amd64 though i'm not sure if it would kick in so early, i figured a bad cpu would make the system hang a little later. I am wondering if i could have short circuted something.
thanks

Is it a new board, or did it occur after changing the vid.card.
Ur info is a bit scarse, plz supply us with more info.

MOVED: K8T Neo-FSR BIOS didn't know sampron64

This topic has been moved to AMD64 VIA/AMD/ATI based board.
K8T Neo-FSR BIOS didn't know sampron64

Blue screens have nothing to do with the Bios update. Those are trypically symptopmatic of other issues like low amps on the 12v rail for the devices you use or memopry issues and that like. Start by testing memory with memtest86+ as it is one of the likelyest suspects. Also post how many amps are on the 12v rail base on the lable on the PSU.
As for contacting MSI directly about when a Bios update is coming won'y get an answer but you are welcomed to contact them at support.msi.com.tw if you like.

K8T800 K8T NEO-FSR Memory Problems

Just a warning before I start in, this is a pretty long post. I'm going to try to include all the information I can.
Here's my system right now. It's running Windows XP Professional with all the latest updates.
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 3000, 512KB L2 Cache 64-bit Processor. Not overclocked at all.
Motherboard: MSI K8T800 K8T NEO-FSR, latest BIOS updates from MSI
Video Card: ATI RADEON 9800PRO Video Card, 128MB DDR, latest Catalyst drivers from ATI installed. Not overclocked at all.
Memory: Mushkin 184 Pin 2x512MB DDR400 PC-3200, running at DDR400 with Auto selected for all the memory timings in the BIOS. Memory placed in DIMM#1 and DIMM#2. Not overclocked at all.
Hard Drive: Western Digital 80 Gig
I started experiencing random reboots and critical errors in game applications on Sunday. The computer would randomly reboot at random intervals from Windows. In addition, while running games like Warcraft 3, Asheron's Call, or World of Warcraft I would receive frequent critical errors that certain sections of the memory could not either be read or written to.
I figured that there was some kind of problem with the memory, so I downloaded Memtest86 and ran it. The first stick of RAM was in DIMM#1 and the second stick in DIMM#2. This was the memory configuration during all the random reboots and critical errors.
Memtest86 came up with several failures during the 5th phase of the test. The same failures came up upon repeated testing in the same phase of the test. I decided to try to isolate the failure and see if one stick or the other was defective. I yanked out the second stick from DIMM#2 and left the first stick in DIMM#1. The first stick (which I'll refer to as the "good RAM stick") passed the memtest repeatedly. I then stuck the second RAM stick into DIMM#1 alone and the computer would not even POST.
I then moved the second RAM stick (which I'll refer to as the "bad RAM stick") over to DIMM#2 alone and managed to get it to POST. The bad stick failed the memtest with the exact same errors during the same phase of testing as the combined sticks had failed during the initial test. For the sake of completeness, I moved the bad stick over to DIMM#1 alone and finally managed to get it to POST. However, the bad stick passed the memtest repeatedly. Puzzled, I moved the bad stick over to DIMM#3 alone and tested it there, which it also passed repeatedly. I moved it back into DIMM#2 alone and it failed the test repeatedly again and again.
Intrigued, I then moved the good RAM stick into DIMM#2 alone, to try to see if perhaps there was some kind of motherboard error occurring. The good stick passed the memtest repeatedly in DIMM#2. I then moved the good stick into DIMM#3 alone and it passed the test repeatedly in that slot.
After checking the motherboard manual to make sure I could do it, I put the bad stick in DIMM#1 and the good stick in DIMM#3 and ran the memtest. The combined sticks passed the test where previously, while configured in DIMM#1 and DIMM#2, they had failed it. I moved the sticks back into DIMM#1 and DIMM#2 to test again. The combined sticks failed as they had during the initial test.
I then reconfigured the sticks to DIMM#1 and DIMM#3 again and booted up the system. Although I only had limited testing time last night, I seemed to be totally stable. The system did not reboot at all and I actually managed to play WoW for an hour without a single crash.
Any suggestions on what's occuring? I figured that maybe the mobo's memory seating in DIMM#2 was messed up, but I wanted to get some more guidance from others.

Well if it's an Antec Sl-350, that one only has 16A @ 12V, way too little to handle your system.....
I would get another PSU in any case, as even the TP-380 is bare minimum.....
Go for the Enermax 465 it has 33A @ 12V and then you are sure it's not a power problem...
Also, a good PSU is never a waiste of money

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