K8t-neo Ram Trouble

Having some trouble with my new RAM I bought for X-mas (w00t)... BUT to much my dismay, I may have caused some trouble with my own comp... See, I had a Corsair Value Select (2pack) 1GB pack installed just yesterday... Ran fine, then when I received these new modules (Corsair TwinX 1GB Pair 2-2-2-5-2, 2T) pack, and installed them, my machine would start (BIOS, Network Card, Sata screens) then when it came to the Windows XP screen, my machine would sound it was rebooting, my monitor light turns orange-and nothing happens... I haven't changed any bios settings relevant to my RAM timings or anything. This memory supposidely automatically clocks at those timings with no bios changes (according to manufacturer).. Model on the RAM - TWINX1024-3200XLTP.
Corsair Twinx 1GB Pack 2-2-2-5-2 high perf timings, 3200XL (400Mhz) Memory..
any help is appreciated..
thanks

CPU-Z info
CPU:
AMD Athlon 64 3000+
Code name ClawHammer
Brand ID 4
Socket 754
Technology 0.13
Family F Model 4 Stepping 8
Ext. family F Ext.Model 4 Revision SH7-C0
Mainboard:
MSI MS-6702 00A
Chipset VIA K8T800 (VT8383) Rev 01
Southbridge VIA VT8237
Sensor Winbond 17
Memory:
Tepe DDR Channels# Single
Size 1024 MBytes
Timings
frequency 166.7
FSB: DRAM CPU/12
CAS#Latency 2.5 clocks
RAS# Precharge 4 clocks
Cycle Time (Tras) 7 clocks
Bank cycle time (Trac) 10 clocks
Dram Idle Timer 16 clocks
SPD: (same for both modules)
DDR
Module Size 512 Mbytes Correction None
Max bandwidth PC3200(200MHz) Registered No
Manufacturer OCZ Buffered No
Part Number OCZ400512V25 EPP no
Timings Tabble
frequency 200MHz
CAS# Latency 2.5
RAS# to CAS# 4
RAS# Precharge 4
Tras 8
The 7.1 bios page doesn't say it is only for 1.x~2.x versions.
I tried Slots 1+2, 1+3. 2+3.
I manualy set Memval at 200MHz.
Tried setting voltage at 2.6 and 2.7
The memory sticks are new so I don't think that the spd info is wrong. It works fine with only one stick.

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MSI K8T Neo Boot Trouble

I just got the MSI K8T Neo, once it passes the splash screen, RAID, etc. It will just restart.
Setup:
MSI K8T Neo
Athlon64 3000+
Muskin Blue 3200
Radeon 9800 Pro
Maxtor 40GB (7200rpm)
This is the minimum i tried to boot with still won't work. I also have 2 Maxtor 160 GB HDD, Samsung DVD-R/CD-RW, Sony DVD+/-RW. My case PS is Antec 300 Watt. I've read in a lot of other posts that this isn't nearly enough. Is this an obvious problem and i should swap up to Antec 430 or something? Or could it possibly be something else?

I upgraded my PSU to Antec 430 (Specs in Sig), figured that would be enough. I guess it may not have been the problem. I'm still just trying to boot with just Graphics card and 40 GB HDD, windows xp sp1. Everytime it boots it passes the Corecell screen, the raid screen, and goes into the "computer did not safely shut down." I've tried safe mode, regularly, booting into command prompt. As soon as i select the option the computer just reboots. Checked for shorts and didn't find any. Anyone else have any ideas of what it may be, i just can't seem to think of any other possibilities.

How to install a fresh copy of windows xp with sp2 on a msi k8t neo

My specifications:
CPU: AMD ATHLON 64 - 3000MHZ
MOTHERBOARD: MSI K8T NEO
RAM: CRUCIAL MICRON 1024MB DDR
HDD: WD 120GB ( C: 60GB, D: 60GB )
HDD: SEAGATE 4GB ( E: 4GB )
DVD: NEC 3520
CD: SONY
The system is on drive C:
primary master HDD 4GB ( on drive E: )
primary slave NONE
secondary master CDR DVD-RW
secondary slave CDR SONY
and last HDD 120GB on primary raid ( on drive C: and D: )
NONE on secondary
I have 2 floppy disks: on the first one it says G72-PRSA060, Promise 376/378 Driver, Disk 1 of 1
on the second one it says G72-VASA040, VIA SATA RAID Driver, For VT6420/VT8237, Disk 1 of 1
Can please someone tell me how to install a fresh copy of windows xp on my computer from scratch? All I know that I have to press F6 at some time and insert one of the disks but I don't know which one. And I don't know when to insert a second disk.
Thanks for helping me

Yeah. I remember when I had that board. I found the best SATA ports were the Promise ones, but...
What do you think, Tiresmoke? You had the same board too if I'm not mistaken.

Ram choice for K8T Neo FISR2 Motherboard

Can anyone tell me if this particular model of ram is compatible with the k8t neo fisr2 motherboard?
http://www.crucial.com/store/MPartspecs.Asp?mtbpoid=AC1B73A7A5CA7304&WSMD=MS%2D6702+%28K8T+Neo%2DFIS2R%29&WSPN=CT6464Z40B
according to crucial it is compatible with the mobo, but i don't see it on the msi vendor approved list for the mobo. I did purchase it, however for the new computer that i am building, comp powers up fine, but no signal is getting to my monitor. Do you think if the ram is not compatible and is not working, then the new machine won't boot properly, hence no signal to monitor?
i'm trying to rule out/in the memory ram as the culprit for my new comp's problems

Well first you have not posted your specs so it's a bit hard to determine if the problem could be somewhere else. Please add yoiur specs to your signature.
Second I am assuming that you don't have any other RAM you can try so here are a couple things to check;
Put in a single stick of RAM and see if it comes up, if not then try another stick.
Check and see what is happening on the D-Bracket LED's.
Double check to see that both the 4 and 20 pin power connections are plugged into the Motherboard and see if your video card requires power through a molex connector. If so make sure it has a power Supply line plugged in.
Reset the Bios with the onboard jumper. Caution, make sure you remove power before you do that step. You may also have to remove the RAM when you reset.

K8T Neo-FIS2R - 3200+ - Mushkin Level 1 RAM: Optimal Memory Settings

Just got a K8T Neo-FIS2R with a AMD Athlon 64 3200+ with 1g (512MB X
2) Mushkin Level 1 PC3500 RAM as recommended by Anandtech on his High
End System roundup:
www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.html?i=2041
I am having a HUGE problems with memory settings in the BIOS.
On AUTO, the memory is only autodected at DDR200, which I found odd.
I them took memory setting in my old hands and things don't seem much
better:
I made these changes:
MEMCLOCK: DDR400
BANK INTERVEAVING: AUTO
BURST LENGTH: 8 BEAT
CL: 2
TRCD: 3
TRAS: 5
TRP: 2
This was unstable at first and bumped the DDR Voltage to 2.7, moved
the sticks to DIMM1 and DIMM3 (instead of DIMM2), and it seems stable,
but not very fast. according to Sandra Scores
Any recommendations for Memory Settings? Why would the MB not
autodecte DDR400 RAM? I am not looking to overlock...just maximize
the CPU and memory I have.
Maybe I just need to get new memory. What is the best memory for this motherboard?
Thanks,
Steve

I'm running the same mem (see my sig). Since its PC3500 I attempted to tighten the settings to those you had listed (2,3,2,5). It was not Prime95 torture test stable at even the stock 200 MHz FSB using these settings. Upping the voltage to 2.7 did not increase the stability in my system at these settings. The memory ran perfectly at AUTO settings, but was clocked at 2.5,3,3,8 I believe.
Keep in mind that level 1 is advertised at 2,3,3. My system is 100% stable at 2.7V for me up to 210 MHz FSB at these settings (I haven't tried any faster). My TRAS is set to 6.
Hope this helps a fellow Mushkin user

Suggested K8T Neo BIOS settings for CL 3 Kingston Value RAM

G'evening!
I'll be putting together a system with the Athlon 64 3000 and K8T Neo board and had a question about optimal BIOS settings for paired Kingston non-ECC DDR 3200 RAM (2x512mb) that's CAS 3. Should have gotten some CAS 2.5 probably but this is what I have for now so in it goes. I'm reading the quick users guide and noticed that you can manipulate the CAS, TCRD, TRAS, and TRP.
First question: Will the board's auto detect do a good job in picking out a stable configuration?
2nd question: If you had to or wanted to make manual settings, what would you suggest? The CAS value is rather easy since I guess it should be set to 3 but what settings would one pick for the others?
And if I still have your attention...
The other things that will be going in the system are the infamous Maxtor 120 gig SATA HD, a XFX 5900FX video card, Lite-On combo burner. Powersupply is an Antec Solution Series 400W PS. After reading the forums for a bit I get the impression that you shouldn't forget to load the SATA Promise drivers so the HD will get recognized. My SATA drive will be the only drive in the system and will of course be the boot drive. Any other possible pitfalls or problems I should know about with the Maxtor SATA's and the K8T Neo board?
Also, I had thought I read from a review that the Zalman Al-Cu CPU heatsink/fan will fit on this board. Of course after seeing it in my hands for the first time I thought that it was a pretty damn big heatsink. Anyone else using this heatsink? (haven't taken it out of the packaging yet so that's why I wanted some impressions).
Thanks for any advice you can give me. It's been a bit of time since I built a computer and I'm sure there's alot of basic things I'm relearning along with the fact that the Athlon 64 is fairly new technology. On the other hand, when it's running smoothly...

Cant offer anything on the Timing, (sorry as I am Intel Fodder ), But I can assure you that the Zalman 7000-AlCu, Will Indeed Fit onto your Motherboard (With Room To Spare!) :biggthumbsup:I can attest to this because My buddy just installed the Zalman 7000-AlCu on his K8T ....And He loves it! As do I ....It's about the only thing that we have in common as far as PC'S Go .........Sean REILLY875

Help with RAM upgrade (K8T Neo Platinum)

Hey everyone,
It's been a couple of years since I built my system (specs below), and I'm looking to upgrade the RAM.
I'd like to upgrade to 2 or 3 gigs and I'm not sure if I would want to keep my existing modules in place and use the empty slot.
Any advice would be much appreciated! Thanks.
AMD Athlon64 3200+ (Retail)
MSI K8T Neo Platinum BIOS v1.3
Corsair XMS 3200CL PRO (2x512)
Leadtek Geforce 6800 GT 256MB
Creative Audigy 2 Platinum
NEC 2500A DVD-ROM
2x 80GB Hitachi SATA (RAID 0)
Antec TruePower 430
Antec P160 Case

You can buy a 2 gig kit of the same type that you have if you want to upgrade to 2gig. There is very little need for more than 2gig of memory, unless you are using it for memory intensive work.
If you get a 2gig dual channel kit, then a future upgrade to a socket 939 means that you won't have to buy memory.

K8T Neo creates 'phantom' RAM and won't recognise the real stuff...

I have just replaced my computer's motherboard and CPU, from an ancient ASUS A7V266-E motherboard and an AMD XP CPU (1.1GHz) to a new K8T Neo-FIS2R motherboard with an AMD Sempron 2.0GHz processor, both brand new. I thought that it would be possible to use all the other components until I can save up enough for a new graphics card, RAM etc.
All of the other components seem to work fine. After making all the connections and starting up for the first time, Windows (XP) loads successfully... but VERY, VERY slowly.
About an hour after loading, I finally manage to right-click on 'My computer' to be told that I apparently have "AMD Unknown Processor - 2.0 GHz" and "64MB of RAM".
This is what surprises me, because in the DIMM ports at the time were three 256MB PC2100 DDR sticks, all three identical - two which were in the motherboard I had before (sequential serial numbers and everything), and another one from another PC purchased at around about the same time. All three worked fine in their old computers. So not only is the PC not recognising that it's actually got 762Mb of RAM stuck in it, but it's creating 64Mb out of nowhere!
AFAIK, the sticks should be compatible, because the RAM specifications appear to be the same for both the Old ASUS motherboard and the New K8T Neo - check out the specifications on the left-hand-side for each board. However, clearly something is not right - it could be a compatibility issue, or is there something I'm missing?
All it says on the sticks of RAM is "256MB PC2100 DDR MEM" (plus "Made in Korea", of course ), but crucial.com seems to be telling me that the RAM must be SDRAM, because that's all that would work in my old motherboard. Is there some other configuration issue I've overlooked?
I've tried swapping the sticks around and taking some of them out - no change, either in the display or in overall performance. I tried loading it with no RAM at all - didn't like that one bit! I had a look through the BIOS (with the instruction manual close to hand), but nothing jumped out at me - and I really don't know what I'm looking for!
Really confused! Any ideas what's going on? Any help would be much appreciated.

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Check with memtest86
...yeah...
...look on the bright side...when I tried PC2100 RAM with a Socket 754 CPU it wouldn't even POST...
...you might have to enter BIOS and configure the RAM manually rather than Auto...just a guess...

MSI K8T NEO-FIS2R: RAM problems

I have the motherboard K8T NEO-FIS2R with AMIBIOS 2VMS V2.0 010505.
I tried these DDR-RAM:
DDR-RAM 512MB PC400 CL3 Kingston KVR400X64C3A/512
DDR-RAM 512MB PC400 CL3 Samsung
but the motherboard recognizes only 256 MB for both. The RAM are good: I tried them in an other pc!
Now I have installed an A-DATA ram 256 MB and the motherboard recognizes 256 MB!
Do you think that my motherboard is defective?
Thank you in advance.
P.S. I'm sorry for my bad english.

No the memory controller is onboard the CPU so in any case the MB is not defective. However the CPU revision may hold you back on some RAM especially if you mix make and model RAM on the same channel. A socket 754 CPU only has one channel so all RAM must be matched to work properly.
If those Sticks can only be seen as a wrong value when used by themselves it is likely that either they have errors or the timings in Bios are improperly set to azllow them to work. In this case you can normally find out what is going on by running memtest86. If you get errors on test 5 or 7 then you have timgs timed improperly and any other errors would show bad RAM.
Another case is not having enough power for everything to work properly together. Usually this happens when you don't have enough 12v amps for these newer rigs.
Post complete specs and test results and maybe we can help you further.

[Athlon64] K8T Neo-FIS2R RAM Question

Hi All
At the moment I have 512mb of Corsair 3200 RAM (2x 256) in a MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R, and I was wondering if it would be ok to put another 1gig of non Corsair in with out it going nuts at me.
Thanks for any help.

Many thanks for the help.

Geil Ram and K8T NEO?

Geil Value Series 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200
Will this work with a K8T Neo FSR?

I have 2 512mb sticks in my PC and they work fine. However, I have read that they may use different memory chips within there series which may cause an issue. I don't know how true that is though.
AMD Athlon 64 2800+ (212FSb)
K8T NEO-FSR
Thermaltake Silent Boost K8
MSI ATI 9800 Pro Plus (R360)
2 x Geil Value Series 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200
WD 120 GB HD
Case – Antec Oveture (True 380 PSU)

My Unofficial K8t Neo Guide

Disclaimer: You try any and all troubleshooting at YOUR OWN RISK!!
Here is my unofficial guide to the K8t Neo fisr2 If you Like It give it a thumbs up so it will stick out. I will warn you it is long and I will edit off and on.
to add as needed.
first I'll start off with components,
CASE..you will need an atx case with good cooling a few extra fans like a blowhole at the top can help cooling, also bundle cables and power leads
so that they don't interfere with airflow.
MOTHERBOARD,...This is based on the K8TNEO series, when you attach it to your case make sure that is is mounted to risers to keep it from contacting case, they are usually small brass pins, also make sure that all the mounting screw are secure and in place, this will prevent the PCB from flexing and cracking as you install components, there should be around 9 or so screws, that usually go into the riser pins or raised case mounting points,don't forget to use those fiber or plastic insulated washers. These should be the only case contact point to the mobo other then the back plate with all the usb, net jacks etc..
Also use all of the mount points you can..if not you can crack mobo putting in cards etc...
CPU...Athlon64 processor2800+, 3000+, 3200+, or a 3400+, all 754 pin chips...k8neo CAN NOT USE FX chips or Opterons. 3200,&3000 are basically the same chip, same clockspeed of 2.0 ghz but the l2 cache is different 3200 1mb...3000 512k, you may not notice the difference in many applications but will see 2~10% diff in benchmark testing, the 3000 is usually about $75 cheaper
the 2800 is a newer model an a good way to get into 64bit without high cost.
PSU.... one of the most overlooked and most important component,
that old 300 watter you have from your old duron 800 don't even try.PSU's have caused a lot of trouble with a64 systems, they use a lot of power Get a good name brand psu if you can, and make sure it is at least 400 watts and has at the minimum of 20a on 12v, also look at combined total wattage
the psu must have a 20 pin connector and a 4 Pin( Square) Connector, and there is Only 1, Called the+12V 4 Pin Processor Connector.
some of the recommended brands are enermax,and antec.
Here is the reason most problems are the psu
amd64 uses 12v power, Intel chips used a lot of 5v power.
so until now most big psu's pushed 5 v not 12v
almost everything in your computer uses 12v except ram (3.3V)
AMD 64 and motherboard =12a @12V
so your already at 12A with no fan,s no hd, no CD,no DVD ,no mobo chip-set , no mem, no sound..etc
so what happens is your mem gets starved for power and then gives out errors,in your data, which = corrupt sata,or it fails to post. .
MEMMORY...Another big trouble spot,not just with the MSI board but with Via chip-set, and or the A64 memory controller.
DDR non ecc- single channel 400 is baseline although slower chips also work, The CPU's memory unit only supports 4 banks total so in order to use three sockets at least two of the memory sticks have to be 1 bank,.one bank or two bank chips look similar so check specs, dual bank chips usually have chips on the back as well. mem should match type and speed. if you run into problems try going into bios and limiting ram to 333.mem should match type and speed.
(edited out till i find more info [STRIKEOUT] if using two mem sticks it is best to use slots 1 and 3,[/STRIKEOUT])
edit :ok tiresmoke just replied so have a look. "One thing that often does not get addressed. I had a couple Blue Screens early on. Here is how I fixed it. I run my RAM in sockets 1 and 3. 1 and 2 gave a little instability.Yes I decided to keep mine in slot 1/3 but I did test in 1/2 since I changed Bios. Typically slot 1/3 can slow you down but it did not with mine so best to say that difference RAM will give different symptoms. Try combinations to find what works best for you."
LOL Keep in mind that Jocko uses 3 sticks of dual bank RAM and according to AMD they only support 4 banks total. Jocko has 6 so you do the math.
you can check msi's website for compatible ram, but be careful it can be confusing,
they list by part numbers,
but some known configurations that work are:
I would stay away from corsair xms mem right now many people have problems.
corsair and kingston owners may want to look here
AMD 3000+ systems...
BIOS 1.2
2 x 512 - Corsair CMX DDR400 @2-3-2-5
2 x 512 - Corsair Twin Pro DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
2 x 512 - Corsair Value Select DDR400 @ defaults
1 x 512 - Geil Golden Dragon DDR400 @ 2-3-3-6 (2.7V)
2 x 512 - Hynix DDR400 @ 2-3-3-6
2 x 512 - Kingmax DDR433 @ 2.5-3-3-6
2 x 512 - Kingston DDR400 @ 3-3-3-8
1 x 512 - Kingston HyperX DDR400 @ (defaults?)
1 x 512 - Kingston ValueRam (KVR400X64C3A) DDR400? @ (Defaults?)
2 x 512 - Muskin Level 1 DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
2 x 512 - Muskin Level 2 DDR433 @ (defaults?)
2 x 256 + 1 x 512 - Muskin Basic DDR400 @ 2.5-3-3-8
1 x 1024 - OCZ EL DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
BIOS 1.3b2
2 x 512 OCZ EL DDR433 @ 2-3-3-7
AMD 3200+ systems...
BIOS 1.1
2 x 512 - Mushkin Level 1 Black DDR433 @ 2.5-3-3-6
BIOS 1.2
2 x 512 - Apacer DDR400 @ 3-4-4-8 (2.5v)
2 x 512 - Corsair Twin X DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
1 x 1024 - Corsair TwinX DDR400 @ 2-3-2-6
2 x 512 - Crucial DDR400 @ defaults
2 x 512 - Elixer OEM DDR400 @ defaults
1 x 1024 - GeIL GoldenDragon DDR400? @ defaults
2 x 512 - Geil Value Series 512MB DDR 2.5-3-3-6
2 x 512 - Hynix DDR400 @ 2-3-3-6
2 x 512 - Kingston HyperX KX DDR433 @ 2-3-3-8
2 x 512 - Kingston HyperX DDR400 @ (defaults?)
2 x 512 - Kingston HyperX DDR400 @ 2.5-3-3-8
2 x 512 - Mushkin Level 2 DDR400 @ 2-2-2-5 (2.75V)
2 x 256 - Mushkin Level 2 DDR400 @ 2-2-2-5
2 x 256 + 1 x 512 - Muskin Basic DDR400 @ (defaults?)
2 x 512 - Twinx CLPRO DDR400 @ (defaults?)
2x512- Pny Verto DDR433 @defualts
AMD 3400+ systems...
BIOS 1.2
2 x 512 - Kingmax (MPXC22D-38KT3R) DDR400 @ defaults
2 x 512 - Mushkin Level 2 Black DDR433 @ 2-3-2-5
you may have to email you mem manufacturer and manually set timings and voltages to get your memory working.
HARD DRIVES......Here you have alot of choices, basically two categories, SATA and PATA(IDE). There are many brands and speeds, IDE drives come in different speeds, such as ata33, ata66, ata 100, ata 133 for hard drives, the 33,100,133, being theoretical maximum transfer rating MB/sec.
newer ata(IDE)hard drives are ata100 which is ultra 5, and ata133 ,ultra6 is ,
PIO mode is the standard data transfer mode without the ultra enhancements, the fastest being 16.66 mb/sec. ultra 2 is 33 mb/sec . So when i say my CD,DVD, and DVD are ultra 2 it means they transfer at a maximum of 33 mb/sec, and my Maxtor hardrives are ultra 6 and have a maximum transfer of133 mb/sec. my old zip100 transfers at a max of 16 mb/sec since its in pio mode. Note these are maximum speeds, my hardrive transfers more like 65 mb/sec sustained according to SIS Sandra.
That is why SATA 150 is such a big deal, vs say a Western digital ata100
SATA is a different interface all together and can transfers closer to its maximum
theoretical speed. BUT the pci bus itself is limited to 133 mb/sec so an add-on card
should never be able to reach over 133, regardless, of SCSI,IDE, or SATA
so on the k8t neo you have some choices. With the IDE you can use, IDE1,2, or 3
IDE1&2 are ata100. ) to attach use a 80pin round or flat cable, the first slot goes into the mobo, the middle connector is for a slave or should be left empty, use the end for master, or single drive. you must also setup jumpers for hd or cds.
The master is primary unit and the slave is secondary unit, for each channel.
Or use the Cable Select jumper and USUALLY the BIOS will select the drive for you.
IDE1 & 2 is ata100, or 133 depending on board if using for only 2 drives put them on different channels
...ie master on IDE 1, and master on IDE 2 . that way they will have maximum bandwidth. especially for disk to disk copies or burning
IDE3 RAID is ata133, or can be raid 0 or 1 by the promise chip. 0 being striped for performance,1 being mirrored for safety, mirror only protects hd from failure,not viruses,or corruption for that you need a backup or as i prefer a drive image program such as accronis trueimage..linux compatible.and Norton ghost.you will first have to enable the promise chip in the bios, then you have to load drivers by hitting F6 during windows installation, and insert floppy drive, yes you will need a floppy, at least for initial setup. If you want to set up raid you will have to do that first before loading windows,by hitting ctrl+F (read quick user's guide Serial ata raid, serial ata) only hd's can use ide3.If you don't have enough IDE slots you can add on pci card with one or two more headers for up to 4 more drives, I added a Maxtor ultra ata133, since i have 5 idehd's and 3 DVD/cds.
SATA, here you have two choices, use the Promise chip set or the Via. Either one or both can be set to raid0 or 1, see users guide to setup, You will also have to enable them first in bios, and F6 and load floppy drivers to use in windows install, or load drivers in windows if using an existing install. either chip-set can be set for raid, in the manual, opinions are that the Via is faster, but you wont have a HD LED activity indicator light, The promise will have a HD light, but is slightly slower.
Also note that SATAs don't OC as well as IDE hard drives, they can even crash and loose data.
always make a backup of your computer, and remember raid 1 does nothing for virus, or contaminated installs.
SOUND....Here you have a few choices, On board or Card, unfortunately not both, yet.(UPDATE Bios Version 1.5 and above will fix this)... If using a card there have been some issues with Audigy 1 cards, but there may be a cure in this threadhttps://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threadid=46849&sid=( Moved to stickies) audigy2 and 2zs cards work fine as do turtle beach.
on-board sound is not as high definition and uses some CPU cycles, so a card might be advantageous to gamers.
REALTEK GIGABIT...Is the on-board Ethernet, you will need to load drivers once in windows, it has caused some problems booting, as it can be set to a boot device as well. you will get a message "failed to boot press any key."..then "ntdlr error"...to fix this you may need to hit the key combination during boot to set it up, it will bring you to a menu, you need to set boot order, i recommend setting it to bios, and you can adjust or disable message and time length it is displayed.
VIDEO CARDS- You should install an agp 8x directx9 video card for best performance. Ati has better directx support so is better for gaming, but Nvida has better OpenGL so if you want to do 3d in Linux, you have better luck with Nvida.
When you set up windows, install via 4-1 drivers first, then the video drivers, check video manufacturer's website for updated drivers. make sure any extra power leads are plugged in. In bios Agp should be fast write enabled, and
if you are using 1024 of ram aperture size to 256, but check 3dmark to see which setting is faster.
BIOS- NO BIOS INSTALLED This is a message that you see during boot up from the promise on-board raid saying that it found no drives attached to its SATA or IDE channels so it's not installed the BIOS.This IS NOT a problem or anything to worry about!
jumping Bios reset jumper, be careful, make sure power is off. jump it and return it to the original position. If you power on with jumper in reset position you can erase your bios...requiring a Return to Manufacturer Authorization(RMA)
I have had no problems using windows updating to the latest bios ,It cured some issues, such as firewire ports, sound blaster audigy1 troubles,tweaked temps displayed,and so on. but be sure to have a backup of original bios disk. I have heard new 1.8 beta bios cures Newcastle temp problems.
some good settings are.. SMART enabled this will warn you of hard disk failure,System bios cacheble and shadow ram are more for older computers and should be set to disable.boot to os2- disable...memory setting vary by card and some even need to be set manually so check with manufacturer or get familiar with cmos reset jumper.(just be sure to have power off)...plug and play os to disable(more of a win 98 thing) disable serials and parallel ports if you don't need them, as with on-board sound firewire etc. this is just a few pointers the rest is a more personal thing, but i have heard turbo setting causes problems and is best left to fast, and dynamic oc'ing is similar use at your own risk
USB keyboard don't forget to enable USB in the BIOS. This caused some problems when installing XP. Without USB enabled in BIOS when you come to the "Hit any key to proceed" the install will fail with the ntldr error
POWER SAVINGS...Having trouble getting fans or case lights to shut off on standby set to S3, then disable apm, and be sure to set a wakeup event..such as wake from usb, or keyboard command. I have agp boot disable, but depends on card.
Want to know more about bios, and what those settings are? click this link
http://www.rojakpot.com/(eb1mg5zatgcf5r55lv5no155)/default.aspx?location=9
CORE CENTER....Another personal choice, I like it and use it a lot, to increase and decrease fsb without going through bios. the NB fan sensor should read 0 unless you plug a fan onto it, personally i have an 80mm antec and it doesn't read it, but i tried a old CPU fan and it worked fine.
COOL AND QUIET Another personal choice, I don't use it because some people have had there CPUs power down in the middle of games, and such
(it goes down to 800 MHz) others had small bugs in there system that went away when they disabled it. But some like it and use it a lot. Good for energy savings.
want to get your boot time down
start by selecting OS drive as first in boot sequence, you can always change bios when you want to boot from floppy or CD(which isn't often).disable floppy drive seek
then clean out your startup folder under rt click explore start button.
try and get services set to auto down to about 25. defrag your hdrive routinely,
. ditch wall paper, and get rid of windows startup screen.(msconfig,boot.ini.and check noguiboot). keep your drivers updated
if you can find it you can use then try bootvis, but microsoft doesn't support it anymore.Programs ..some useful free utilities are listed below, check goggle, until i make links for them.
SiS Sandrahttp://www.sisoftware.net/, a good all around benchmark,burn in and, info display
3DMARK.http://www.futuremark.com/download/.Mostly a Video tester, good for checking OC though.
Microsoft Memory testerms memtester
+86memtest.http://www.memtest86.com/..and Prime95http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htmvery good mem testers, and tests for stability
spybot search and destroy, http://www.safer-networking.org/index.php?page=homeand
Lavasoft's ad-aware http://www.lavasoftusa.comgot to have for house cleaning.
atitool, http://atitool.ocfaq.com/oc ap for ati cards,click find max core let it go for 15min or so,then set back to default, and click find max mem...for 15min or so, and now you have the max you can set your video card too.(but set safety limits before manually setting)
[STRIKEOUT]mbm5 mbm5 link good alternative temp readings to corecenter.[/STRIKEOUT]
good program but discontinued.
OTHER USEFUL PROGRAMS
Norton utilities, good all around disk and OS utility
Norton Internet secuirity, or similar firewall and virus protector
Norton ghost, or other drive image software fantastic for backups
BF1942...lol just fun
HOME NETWORKING I will add this part because of additional posing of errors
dealing with USB Broadband routers...try using on board realtek or other Ethernet connection it will save your sanity.
well i have a real poor mans router setup for you
2 Ethernet slots, one for for broadband router and one to share.
if you only want one other computer, use a crossover cable, otherwise, use a hub or switch(better) and let Internet connection wizard and home networking on your machines work their magic,want a firewall download some software there are even, fairly decent free ones.the speed of the card isn't important because broadband still isn't over 10mb/sec yet, so blow the dust off that card in the closet and put it to work.or if your really brave or really cheap you can try to use the usb input from broadband, and on board ether, or firewire port, to link computers
Trouble shooting
for total no boot/post failure
I know you may know how to build a computer, and i know this is basic, so bear with me here, but at this point you have to do a methodical by the book check list.
revision
A: when you first install your motherboard make sure it does not contact case,
use all nine mounting points, make sure that your case either has built in risers, or use the small brass standoffs, and don't forget the fiber washers.
when you installed your CPU you:
1 ___you properly handle equipment so no static damage can occur, (properly grounded)
2____.you fully lift the CPU ziff socket arm up, orient the gold triangle marking arrow,pins and it easily dropped into socket, with no bent pins ,
3 ___ backer plate mounted carefully no missing pieces of the board flying off, ( i have seen people launch capacitors, and the like )
4 ____obviously you removed the plastic thermal pad cover, and heatsink was evenly locked down, and fully seated, and correctly plugged into mobo cpufan1.
and you fully removed old thermal pad/grease and applied new artic silver, or new heatsink with plastic on pad,you didn't reuse old paste or pad.
memory
5 _____memory stick(not sticks, at this point you just want to get it working, not full blast with a gig of ram etc)is fully seated and properly oriented in slot, and is 184 pin ddr non-registered , non ecc ram , and you have tried different non corsair, non twinmoss, brands that have been known to work. and/ or
tried to set manually mem speed/voltage for some models of corsair, twinmoss, and kingston)
6.____ plug in only power switch pins 6,8and power led to jfp1, pins 2,4 and they are turned correctly,
7. ____your new psu has the 20 pin and square 4 pin power connector plugged in to jpw1 turned right and fully seated. and has a bare min of 18a on 12v+ rail.
8 ____your video card is fully seated an locked down,also securely screwed in.
9 ____your floppy drive cable iss facing right way (pin1 is matched with red stripe)
10. ____you have ata cables for hd and CD set to master/slave or cs. with hard drive set as master, end of cable.
11 _____the power plugs are all fully seated, including psu rear plug,floppy ,hd, and CD.
12. _____keyboard(ps2) and mouse plugged in, monitor plugged into video card,
13 ______every thing is fully secured in case, side cover is off.
14 ______CMOS jumper is set 1,2 keep data, all usb stuff is unplugged, except for dbracket.
power it up, one beep, fans spin, in psu and CPU, and video card,
you get no bios found error,(promise adapter not finding satas..no worries)
or hit Del to go into bios, set boot order, and .......
.........your now at the end of the road, and it should by all means work,
now what i am after,
there are no bent pins, on CPU, you reapplied artic silver paste.
no loose wires,
properly applied heat sink with fan cooling,
you have tried different brands of known ,to work in an MSI k8tneo
ddr ram 1 stick at a tme.
you have tried different video cards, and in case of higher end card, the external molex power supply as plugged in,
you have tried different ata hard drives
you then have tried have set up your SATA drive correctly .
everything is securely plugged in ..fully seated and oriented the right way?
what are d-bracket error light, and any beep codes?
you have tried a different wall outlet, you have changed surge protectors,
you never hot plugged video cards, hd cables or power etc.
i know this redundant , and basic , it is not meant to be insulting , it is meant to be a checklist and rule out all basic errors and potential problems
if your mem bandwidth is slower then 3000..like 2400 this may help
Received from a user - Slow memory 1T Command fix
OK, here's what to do. Download the following ftp://ftp.vector.co.jp/pack/win95/hardware/other/wpcrs120.exe extract it, and run InstDD.exe. It'll ask to reboot, you don't need to do it right away, at least I didn't have to. Fire up WPCRSET.exe and do the following. Under startup, click on start, and under device, click enable. Now click add. The bus device and function will be 0,24, and 2. The register and data values will be the 93,08. There we have it! Enjoy everyone. I know I'm much happier now.
Here's a graphic to make it easier:
I will add more by edit, or post as needed but i should post now so it can be put to use.
I would like to Thank BAS,wonkaboy, Jocko, ethereal, Tiresmoke, Reilly, and the many others whose valued input helps solve problems.

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amd 64=12a @12V
ati 9800=7.5~10.5a @12V (assuming 90~125 watts) a max load,
a 9600 ir nvida 5200 used far less power
so your already at 18a with no fan,s no hd, no cd,no dvd ,no mobo chipset , no mem, no sound..etc
If you exclude the motherboard, memory, etc like you did there, the amd 64 draws 7.2A @ 12V.
90~125W for an ATI 9800?! [irony]Are you working for a PSU manufacturer or what?[/irony] That's just absurd.
Go read this post to get a feel for the actual power consumption: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?postid=297061&sid=#post297061

MSI K8T NEO FIS2R No VGA help plz!

Hi, ive just purchased a new athlon 3000 64 cpu retail and an msi k8t neo fis2r motherboard, the specs and problem are below but plz bare in mind i am a system builder for the last 3 years i have tried alot of things to solve this.
MSI K8T NEO FIS2R MOBO
AMD 3000 64 RETAIL CPU
AMD RETAIL HSF
1024MB DDR333 SAMSUNG RAM
120 GIG WD HD
GALAXY GLACIER GEFORCE 6800 GT 256MB
PIONEER 106 DVD WRITER
400 WATT PSU (TSUNAMI I THINK)
Anyway the problem is this when i put the system together and turned it on i dont get any vga the monitor just says NO SIGNAL and when i look at the graphics card the fan on it isnt spinning.
Yet i have my old setup which is as follows,
ASUS A7N8X DELUXE MOBO
AMD 3200XP BARTON
AMD HSF
1024MB DDR333 AMSUNG
120 GIG WD HD
GALAXY GLACIER GEFORCE 6800 GT 256MB
PIONEER 106 DVD WRITER
400 WATT PSU
Basically the same as above i just changed the cou and mobo now when the graphics card is in that system it works fine no problems as soon as i try it in the new a64 system it doesnt work the fan doesnt spin and nothing comes on screen, ive tried everything i know ive double and trebble checked connections and ive tried removing components and then trying it, no matter what the graphics wont work.
I figured the motherbaord must be faulty and am going to contact the place i got it from but it would be good if anyone here knows how to solve it if it isnt the motherboards fault.
thanks very much.
ic3man1999.

Thanks guys, huess what like an idiot i forgot to put the 4 pin 12v in :( doh
Anyway it works fine now, but i have high temps core centre says 56 degrees right now while im typing this ? is this accurate or am i in trouble ?
Oh yeah and everytime i load windows it says new hardware found ide channel then secondary ide channel then it says a problem occured during your new hardware installation and it calls the hardware HDC it says this twice aswell.
ANy help guys ?
thanks

Ms-k8t Neo 2 Fir

I have problem with new MS-K8T NEO 2 FIR. I am using Athlon 64 3000+ and Kingston KVR400X64C3AK2/512 set of two 256 MB PC3200 CL3 DIMMs. If I put 1 DIMM in slot 2 and second DIMM to slot 4 (as recommended from MSI for dual channel) systems hangs after turning on with one greed diode (1) on D-bracket (early chipset inicialization). If I remove DIMM from slot 4 system boots up normally (to memtest86 from CD). If I put only one 512 MB Kingston PC3200 module to slot 2 system boots up but reporting only 256 MB of RAM. DIMMs are tested in other machine (Intel P4 3GHz) without any problem. What should I do ? What is wrong - board ar processor ? Please help !!!

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Hi
I think thats one up for the flashers vs the don't flash unless you have to lot.
Sad to say I am a flasher
Jocko
:-))ermmm You don't say, you don't say. is it true about the underneath of a kilt then.
Then you ask Tiresmoke. Quote "Does Clara know about this tendancy"
Might have known it would be you Hondo.
Kilts, as Daniel O'Donnell always says when he does a little jig in his , ' 2 pairs, to be sure, to be sure', but he would, He's Irish, just like that other immigrant boy in Pennsylvania, who's really a Scot, the one that Clara keeps trying to get a proper kilt on.
cheers
jocko
:lol_anim:Sorry jocko couldn't resist the temptation above and now also below that doesn't sound good, does it.
Let the wind blow high, let the wind blow low,
Through the streets in my kilt I'll go,
All the lassies say "Hello hondo
Donald, where's your troosers?"

PC with K8T Neo stopped powering up

Hello,
I built a pc with MSI K8T Neo motherboard, Athlon 64 3200+ processor, 1 Gig (2 x 512) Kingston value PC3200 RAM, ATI Radeon 9600 XT with 128 RAM, Maxtor 80 gig hd in a PowMax case with 400 W power supply. I installed Window 2000 on my machine with no problems. After I installed the video driver (3.10) the machine told me to reboot, which I did. However, the machine did not power back up and did not turn on through the power button. I used a volt meter to test both the power supply and the power button -- both work. I also took out the battery on the motherboard to reboot CMOS to no effect. I am starting to think that the problem could be with the motherboard but I am not sure.
Thanks for any advice.

did a cord maybe come loose or something?
this is the wierdest problem i have heard of so far...

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