K9A Platinum ~ Purchasing Questions and Setup

Hi, I'm trying to build a new system and I'm just having a TERRIBLE time getting a good motherboard to actually work.... I was running a Crossfire 939 AMD system and I wanted to upgrade it.
I had originally purchased a DFI Lanparty 3200 Crossfire Intel board and a core duo 2 chip. After the fact, I found out the board is very buggy and has a bad problem with memory post. It got stuck in a C1 error and I could not fix it and had to send it back.
I then decided to stick with AMD and I got a Asus M2R32-MVP board and a Athlon 64 FX-62 chip... again, I'm having problems as the motherboard will turn itself off within 2 seconds of turning it on.
I am considering running out to Microcenter this weekend and grabbing a K9A Platinum but I wanted to get some feedback before I bought it as to setting it up, if its compatible with my ram and power supply... I did read that the board is defaulted to 1.8v memory and the ram I have is 2.1v.
I'm kinda at my wits end about this and I'm really frustrated. I'll list the other components below:
Thermaltake toughpower W0105RU ATX12V / EPS12V 700W Power Supply - Retail
OCZ ATI CrossFire 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2A8002GK - Retail (4 sticks = 4 gigs)
NZXT Apollo BLACK NP Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM
And the AMD 64 FX-62 AM2
Thanks!

Thank you for the input...
Also if you note... I do NOT have any components hooked up to the board except the cpu, 1 ram stick and the psu. I do not have my cards, my hard drives or my sound card hooked up.
Its turning off by itself with nothing but the ram, the cpu and the psu hooked up.
Can you recommend a higher wattage single rail than a 610?
You really think its my power supply?
These are the specs of the psu:
Model
Brand Thermaltake
Model W0105RU
Series toughpower
SPEC
Type ATX12V / EPS12V
Maximum Power 700W
Fans 1 x 14 cm Fan
PFC Active
Main Connector 20 + 4Pin
Dual +12V Yes
PCI-E Connectors 2 x 6Pin
SLI Support NVIDIA SLI Certified
Modular Cabling Support No
Power Good Signal 100-500ms
Hold-up Time 16ms min.
Efficiency up to 85%
Over Voltage Protection +5V 7.0 Vmax
+3.3V 4.5 Vmax
+12V 15.6 Vmax
Input Voltage 100 - 240 V
Input Frequency Range 47 - 63 Hz
Input Current 10A @ 115V, 5A @ 230V
Output +3.3V@30A,+5V@28A,+12V1@18A,+12V2@18A,+12V3@18A,+12V4@18A,[email protected],+5VSB@3A
MTBF >120,000 hours
Approvals CE, CB, TUV, FCC, UL, CUL, and BSMI certified
Features
Connectors 1 x Main connector (20+4 pin)
1 x 12V (P4)
1 x 12V (8pin)
7 x peripheral
6 x SATA
2 x Floppy
2 x PCI-E
Features SLI, Cross-Fire, and Dual Core CPU ready
Protections: Over Current, Over Voltage, and Short-Circuit protection
Next generation four +12V rails(12V1, 12V2, 12V3, 12V4) supports high-end graphic card and PC system (combined loading of 48A)
Independent Voltage Circuit: offers unflappable current delivery under heavy load and makes voltage output more stable
Industrial grade components (capacitor, transformer, etc)

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K9A Platinum memory question

I have just purchased 1 x (249621) MSI K9A Platinum Xpress 3200 Sempron/Athlon 64(FX)(X2) SktAM2 DDR2 ATX Motherboard w/Audio, Gigabit LAN, RAID/Serial ATA Retail mother board. My question is about the memory - On the MSI web it says this mother board supports Supports Dual DDR2 533/667/800 and 4 DDR2 DIMMs (240pin / 1.8V). What memory brands and models does this mother board support? Can I get memory what has higher volts than 1.8 like 2.0 or higher? I was looking on www.zipzoomfly.com for memory but I don't want to get the wrong memory please help. I want to get 2 gigs of memory can I just run one 2 gig sim by it self or do I need to have 2 1 gig sims and what is cheaper. I would like to get something around $200.00. please help.

vonbarter,
I did find two options which meet your criteria:
OCZ S.O.E 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory $190 after MIR
OCZ Gold Series 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory $200 after MIR
Take Care,
Richard

Audigy platinum ex questions and advice - dual ouput or dual card - motherboard audio op has died

Hi all.
im new to the forums and would like some advice please.
i use my pc for mixing music and DJ'ing, but the problem that i have is that the onboard sound output has died. i need 2 intendant / separate sound outputs, one for preview, and one for main/live output.
Now, is it possible to configure a audigy platinum ex to provide the required outputs, and if so, how.
if this is not possible, can i use a soundblaster live card in the same pc to provide the required outputs, or as i suspect the answer is no to this due to shared file names within the drivers and such, is there a recommended card that i can use in conjunction with the audigy, or will any generic sound card do the job (for preview output).
i dont want to replace the motherboard and reinstall all the software at the moment, and i use mixmiester, fruityloops, reason and such for mixing/creating, and either mixmiester, tracktor, or pcdj fx for dj'ing.
many thanks in advance for your help and advice.
Adrian

mikiem ........... your a STAR.......
i didnt know that you could do that.....using the AISO driver allows access to all sorts of outputs..........when i have time im going to have to see what they all do, and what else is available, but the biggest thing is that it has sorted out some of my immediate problems......
i will need to go through all the software to see if i can get access to these outputs from it all, but it definitely works with mixmiester, so i dont need to re plot all the files.
just so that people know, i set the audigy speaker config to 4.0/4.1 in THX setup, and then looked in the advanced audio output section of mixmiester (under output config) and presto....2 independent audio outputs.
dont suppose that anyone knows where to get a complete and detailed manual for what all the software and hardware does and how to configure it all........
HUGE thanks mikiem........

MOVED: K9A Platinum - few questions...

This topic has been moved to Overclockers & Modding Corner.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=107973.0

"Also how do i set my HT link speed, all i've got is "overclocking" and "standard"? "
if you are OC, use/select "overclocking" HT setting. if you use stock parameters use "standard" HT setting.
"Also my 1T/2T option is greyed out, how do i change it?"
should be able to change it, you may need to apply memory config to manually 1st.(parrent menu)
"Lastly, how can i run 2 HDD's on raid and another non-raid."
enable raid(from BIOS) for channels where are connected your 2HDD which gonna be part of the RAID, then create an array(from RAID utility just after bios post), pickup desired RAID mode and assign your 2 HDDs(don't forget to make them active(bootable, with "B" key at the end of process).
for 3th drive, just use it like regular drive, disable RAID for the channel where it is connected.

MOVED: K9A Platinum memory question

This topic has been moved to AMD64 ATI/SiS/VIA based board.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=103623.0

vonbarter,
I did find two options which meet your criteria:
OCZ S.O.E 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory $190 after MIR
OCZ Gold Series 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory $200 after MIR
Take Care,
Richard

K9a platinum cooling question

how hot do the northbridge/southbridges get?
should i invest in aftermarket coolers or no?

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It's certainly not guranteed.
Right! Now you heard it from someone else, msiguy (Told him so in another thread https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=110924.0).
Remember oc is a matter of luck, it depends on the individual sample.

MSI K9A Platinum and VIA drivers issue? XP 0x0000007B stop error.

I get a Windows Stop error when trying to boot into Windows XP with new components. The SATA hard drive (and Windows XP installation) is from the old computer.
The new computer components are:
MB: MSI K9A Platinum, chipset: RD580 (North Bridge), SB600 (South Bridge)
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 x2 5600+, boxed (the cooler and fan came with the CPU).
Video: MSI Radeon 1950 XTX
The old (and working) computer setup is:
OS: XP Professional
MB: Abit AV8-3rd Eye, chipset: VIA K8T800Pro + VT8237
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3500+
Video: Sapphire Radeon 9800Pro All-in-Wonder, videodriver: atidvag.dll version 6.14.10.6542
HD: Maxtor 6B200M0 SCSI Disk Device
BIOS: Phoenix 6.00PG 20.04.2005
System drivers with "via" in the name: VIAAGP1.SYS, viaide.sys, viasride.sys
VIA 4in1 (Hyperion) version: 4.55 (that can be found at HKEY_Local_Machine\Software\Via4in1Driver).
VIA 2.20e SATA/RAID driver was used when installing this computer setup.
The precise stop error is:
0x0000007B (0xba4c3528, 0xc0000034, 0x00000000, 0x00000000)
From many sites I have gathered that the error is related to Windows XP not being able to access a critical system drive. Most probably the SATA hard drive issue.
The problem probably is the VIA drivers of the old motherboard and/or the SATA driver.
First I should mention, that MSI K9A Platinum does not have a hard disk SATA driver. If it does, I have been unable to find one. Certainly no such floppy disk included, and no such driver in the MSI's Web page for this motherboard.
Second important point: I never used RAID. I did use VIA 2.20e SATA/RAID driver disk when installing Windows XP to the old computer.
Strange that the hard drive model is reported as a "SCSI Disk Device". It's not a SCSI drive however: it's a SATA disk.
I have tried to uninstal the motherboard chipset drivers (Hyperion v4.55), but there seems to be a bug here: the drivers should be uninstalled using the installation program, and select the uninstall option. However, I do not get the uninstallation option to choose at all! Yes, I'm using the normal installation mode, not the quick installation (although tried that, too). The Hyperion setup program just installs, and asks to reboot the computer. After rebooting and trying again, it still does not offer me an uninstallation choise.
I know how to install hard drive VIA SATA driver, but I have no idea how to uninstall it. And I'm afraid to do that without certainty that it IS the solution, since I could not access the hard drive any more in the old computer setup (and return to read this forum). Also, I do not have a floppy drive any more. Anyone know if there is an issue with K9A and XP having VIA SATA driver installed?
When I tried the new computer setup, I first tried the simplest possible hardware combination: there were no CD/DVD-drives, no (parallel)IDE hard drives, and no PCI cards, except the MSI video adapter.
My BIOS Setup experiments. None of these helped: got the same stop error each time.
1) I didn't much touch the BIOS setting first. Just tried to boot with the settings BIOS came with.
2) Next I disabled the integrated audio, LAN and IEE1394 devices and floppy drive and disabled all other choises except the SATA drive as a boot device.
3) Next I tried with the fail-safe BIOS defaults.
4) Cleared CMOS.
5) Changed OnChip SATA type from Native IDE to Legacy IDE. (Only one boot attempt with the setting as Legacy.)
6) Disabled PCI IDE BusMaster.
7) Never touched anything in the Cell Menu: so the settings are in minimum.
A step I have taken after the last attempt: run Windows XP hard drive error-checking tool to every logical drive with the fix option selected, and the system drive also with scan the bad sectors option selected.
My plans next are:
1) to install a newer Hyperion driver. If that would correct the no-unistallation-choice-bug,
2) to disable USB-devices in the BIOS (desperate),
3) to choose the Windows general video display driver (although I seriously doubt this is a display driver problem!).
4) to uninstall the Anti-Virus software (Avira Antivir).
I've read a numerous Web pages so far about the 0x0000007B stop error. Here are some links:
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http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/knowledge_base/
Stop 0x0000007B or INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
This Stop message, also known as Stop 0x7B, indicates that Windows XP Professional lost access to the system volume or boot volume during the startup process. This error always occurs while the system is starting and is often caused by one of the following:
* Hardware problems
* Corrupted or incompatible storage drivers
* File system problems
* Boot sector viruses
* Outdated firmware
During I/O system initialization, this error can occur when:
* The controller or driver for the startup device (typically the hard disk) failed to initialize the necessary hardware.
* File system initialization failed because the system did not recognize the data on the boot device.
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http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314082
You receive a Stop 0x0000007B error after you move the Windows XP system disk to another computer
SYMPTOMS
After you move the Microsoft Windows XP system (boot) disk to a backup computer, you may receive the following Stop error when you try to start the Windows XP-based backup computer:
STOP: 0x0000007B (0xF741B84C,0xC0000034,0x00000000,0x00000000)
CAUSE
This error may occur if the registry entries and the drivers for the mass storage controller hardware in the backup computer are not installed in Windows XP.
RESOLUTION
To resolve this error, use the same hardware for the backup computer.
Heh, heh! Very nice Microsoft, but I plan to update my computer, so I NEED to use different components
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http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324103
Device Driver Issues
You may receive a "Stop 0x0000007B" error message in the following scenarios:
•   A device driver that the computer boot controller needs is not configured to start during the startup process.
•   A device driver that the computer boot controller needs is corrupted.
•   Information in the Windows XP registry (information related to how the device drivers load during startup) is corrupted.
Hardware Issues
You may receive a "Stop 0x0000007B" error message if there is a resource conflict between the boot controller and another controller or between SCSI devices. You may also receive this Stop error message if drive translation is not being performed or if drive translation was changed. To troubleshoot this issue:
1.   If an IRQ or I/O port address conflict exists between the boot controller and another controller, Windows XP either stops responding (hangs) or displays a "Stop 0x0000007B" error message. If you recently added new hardware, remove the new hardware or reconfigure it so that it does not conflict with the resources of any other installed controllers.
2.   If you are using a SCSI hard disk, check the SCSI chain for correct termination. Remove any unused SCSI devices or make sure that each SCSI ID is unique.
3.   Make sure that drive translation is turned on (if it is required) and that it has not been changed. For example, if you recently switched controllers, this issue may occur. For additional information about this issue, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: 314082.
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http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316401/
SYMPTOMS
When you start your Microsoft Windows XP-based computer after you replace the motherboard on the computer, you may receive a Stop error message that is similar to the following:
STOP 0x0000007B INACCESSABLE_BOOT_DEVICE
CAUSE
This issue may occur if the new motherboard contains an embedded IDE controller that has a different chipset than the original motherboard.
RESOLUTION
Method 1: Perform an in-place upgrade of Windows XP [<- That means repair installation of Windows XP]
•   Do not use a repair or in-place upgrade if you suspect disk problems.
Method 2: Repartition and format your hard disk and reinstall Windows XP

Alright I got the situation over.
Quote from: Roskaposti on 19-May-07, 04:44:59
My plans next are:
1) to install a newer Hyperion driver. If that would correct the no-unistallation-choice-bug,
2) to disable USB-devices in the BIOS (desperate),
3) to choose the Windows general video display driver (although I seriously doubt this is a display driver problem!).
4) to uninstall the Anti-Virus software (Avira Antivir).
I did try all all the above, and none of them helped.
And by the way: after installing the new Hyperion (VIA chipset drivers), I was finally able to also uninstall. It also uninstalled the IDE SATA (I think) and PATA drivers.
But what I had to do, was to make a REPAIR installation of Windows XP.
So, I was wondering now afterwards: this is really, really silly. Why the hell we need to re-install Windows if we move the SYSTEM SATA drive to another computer? We don't have similar problem with parallel IDE drives. Whom should we thank here??
The issue is to insert the driver files and the information of the ide drivers Windows should use with the next boot. How can it be this difficult?
What you basically need is..
- the information about the new chipset's PCIIDE.SYS/[VENDOR_PROVIDED_FILE].SYS and ATAPIIDE.SYS inserted into the values in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSetXXX\Control\CriticalDeviceDatabase
- and the vendor's IDE drivers to the %SYSTEMROOT%/System32/drivers folder.
Maybe something else, I don't know. But the problem was, Windows didn't know how, or what drivers to use. That can't be so big problem you need to install the whole OS anew!

K9A platinum and RX3870/3850 Series Graphics Card

RX3870/3850 Series Graphics Card are capable of CrossFireX, K9A Platinum have just CrossFire. I plan too later upgrade to K9APlatinum plus that suld support ADM Spider achritecture. Question is if I will buy in this time two pcs RX3870 will they run at K9A Platinum CrossFire or isn't supported ? Thanks for answer I bought full HD resolution LCD and my present x1950 is not enought for this res. so I need to upgrade. Thanks

I'm quite happy I have so fast responce. It's very hard to find info about that. I learned to trust people at this forum beucase they help me to solve my problem with 4GB RAM. Nothing against you personally but did you seens this somwhere running or some test. Two pcs of H3870 will be quite expensive and I don't want to have than one pcs lie at shelf. Thanks
AMD 5200+ X2
4GB
K9A Pla
Enermax 500W
Vista Ultimate
Quote from: flobelix on 22-November-07, 16:39:07
Well, from what I understood in your post you want to crossfire two 3870 in a K9A Platinum. That's possible because it is a crossfire board and running two 3870 is just normal crossfire.
Spider or crossfire X is the able to run three or four vgas in triple/quad crossfire. That's of course not supported by K9A Plat. You would need a K9A2 Platinum which supports Crossfire X and has the necessary four PCIE Graphic slots.

K9A Platinum and 4GB DDR2-800

I'm a major MSI fan and have been for a long time. My computers (even my customer's) are MSI boards.
Recently, I upgraded my motherboard, ram and processor to the new AM2 core (ok, not really new, but w/e). I have the following items:
MSI K9A Platinum
4GB DDR2 800 (2x2GB) G.Skill 5-5-5-15
Athlon X2 5200+ Windsor 65w w/2x1MB cache
2x ATI Radeon x1650 256 DDR2 (Crossfire'd)
1x 200GB SATA2
1x 300GB SATA2
2x 500GB SATA2
My previous system had:
MSI K8N Neo-4F
4x 1GB Kingston DDR 400
Athlon X2 4800+
Ok. So heres my problem:
I installed each 2GB stick into slot 1 to verify they work and I got all 2GB. Shut down and installed each 2GB at each channel (DIMM1 and DIMM3) and BIOS reports 2544MB total. I look in BIOS and it says Physical Memory = 4096MB, Usable Memory = 2544MB. (This is before I even installed windows.) So, I tried to see if windows would report differently and after installing, it reported the same 2.48GB of ram. Now I know that Windows 32-bit can only go up to 3.2GB and I have no problem with that. My previous setup reported all 4GB of ram... so whats different about this board that it doesn't use all the memory available?
If this is an issue with the Processor, then let me know. I paid for 4GB, not 2.5GB. I expected at most 3.2GB.
And no. I won't go Vista. And Windows x64 has little to no support for a lot of what I do/have. So I won't use it either.
Thanks for your help in advance.

@ BOSSKILLER:
I've done the single and dual vga test. I even placed the ram in single channel mode and it did the same.
@ Bas:
Its default. I'll paste it here.
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[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect /usepmtimer
Thanks for your responses so far.
Just for record, here is the RAM information taken from PC Wizard 2007 (From the makers of CPU-Z):
FYI: In the ram size, 2 ranks, 8 banks means its a double sided chip. 2 sides (1 rank per side), 8 chips (1 bank per chip) per side.
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Information SPD EEPROM (DIMM0) :
Manufacturer : G Skill
Part Number : F2-6400CL5-2GBPQ
Serial Number : Unspecified
Type : DDR2-SDRAM PC2-6400 (399 MHz)
Format : Regular UDIMM (133.35 x 3)
Size : 2048 MB (2 ranks, 8 banks)
Module Buffered : No
Module Registered : No
Module EPP : No
Width : 64-bit
Error Correction Capability : No
Max. Burst Length : 0
Refresh : Reduced (.5x)7.8 µs, Self Refresh
Voltage : SSTL 1.8v
Prefetch Buffer : 4-bit
Manufacture : Week 0 of 2000
Supported Frequencies : 266 MHz, 400 MHz
CAS Latency (tCL) : 4 clocks @266 MHz, 5 clocks @400 MHz
RAS to CAS (tRCD) : 4 clocks @266 MHz, 5 clocks @400 MHz
RAS Precharge (tRP) : 4 clocks @266 MHz, 5 clocks @400 MHz
Cycle Time (tRAS) : 10 clocks @266 MHz, 15 clocks @400 MHz
Min TRC : 16 clocks @266 MHz, 23 clocks @400 MHz

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Remember to re-tick all the required security options you had just un-ticked in Safari preferences. You don't need to bother about opening the cookies again.
I hope this has worked for you and my profoundest apologies if it has not. Worth a go, though!
I did see this thread: https://discussions.apple.com/message/18259935#18259935 which may be of more help, mainly the last entry by 'c2boyd'
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