KDE and plasma 5

Hello everyone, since Plasma 5.0 and Frameworks 5.0 are out, I wonder if Arch is going to smoothly upgrade the KDE package or if it's going to require a clean install or something more advanced. I don't want to rush into the new version installing kf5, kf5-aids and plasma-desktop (as suggest the wiki) without knowing everything is going to be fine, so I ask:
Would it be better to wait, install the packages the wiki suggest or do a clean install? What do you think? Thank you.

Plasma 5 packages in AUR are installed in /opt for now so they are coinstallable with KDE4. At some point it the future I guess it will move to /usr and will replace KDE4, but for now you can install and try it while keeping KDE4 installed at the same time.

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I3 and plasma 5

Hey,
I just want to ask, if some one tried to use i3 as windowmanager with plasma 5.
I tried first the kde4-way (adding i3.desktop file and select it in kde settings), and it is just ignored as it runs kwin as usal.
then I started a plain i3 and run plasmashell inside, and it opens as some kind of window on mainscreen (have a multihead setup with xrandr) overlaying everthing. If I try to move it to another workspace, it moves to the 2nd screen (even if the workspace is mapped to mainscreen), and stays there from that on.
So is there anyone who tried it, and got it work?
P.S.:
Used following to install kde/plasma5
pacman -S kde-meta #selected kactivities-frameworks as kactivities
pacamn -Rc kdebase-workspace
pacman -S plasma-meta

horsemanoffaith wrote:Is there any way that we could sticky the most-used topics in this section? I use the Unity-for-Arch thread frequently, and I see other threads that are quite large. I see that the ATI thread was made sticky, for good reason. Can we do the same on the larger threads, such as Unity-for-Arch, KF 5 and Plasma, i3, Pantheon Shell, etc.?
You should just use KSE (karol search engine) instead

KDE 4/KDE 5 (Plasma 5) rewrite

Some work has started on a KDE 4/ Plasma 5 / Plasma rewrite. The reason I personally got involved was that I found the information (particularly about Plasma 5) slightly unclear and confusing as to what was "KDE 5" specific, KDE 4 specific and generally valid. You will find information on the KDE wiki discussion page and at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/User:Chazza/KDE.
This is not intended as spamming a new Wiki rewrite for comments, but as KDE is such a widely used environment, comments on writing it before commiting to it would be very welcome. Thus, comments are invited.
Last edited by Shieldfire (2015-06-07 04:46:13)

Try to look for settings in GUI:
System Settings - Wondow Behavior - Window Rules
or
Press ALT+F3 and go to: Advanced - Special Application Settings - Geometry
Also check this:
Press ALT+F3 and go to: Advanced - Special Window Settings - Geometry
S-

Kde4 kf5 and plasma next

Hello, i am a bit confused about DE kde. I have the last update of kde4 (4.14.0) available for Arch. But i know it is already available kf5 too. So i should wait a new update that will convert kde4.14 to kf5 sooner or later, or i should install kf5 since now? And for plasma next? thank you!

caligula wrote:
blauman wrote:so there will be an update from kde4 to new version 5 sooner or later?
Eventually.
The current situation is somewhat confusing - you can no longer refer to "KDE" as a single application package, so "KDE 5" is meaningless.
There are now three different pieces of software you can consider "KDE":
* KDE Frameworks - the base libraries. These are now at stable version 5.0.1
* KDE Applications - the apps you know & love such as dolphin, ark, etc etc. These are now at version 4.14, and will be gradually upgraded to 5.x. By this time next year they should all be at 5.x.
* Plasma - Plasma is the actual desktop shell. It encompasses the desktop, widgets, activities, panels, etc etc. Plasma is now at version 5, but the new packages are not yet available for arch in binary form - only in the AUR.
thank you caligula, now it is a little more clear. So a kde user should wait the kde applications and plasma update to 5. But about kf5? i have seen that if i try to install kf5, the system make me replace my old versions to the new. it is convenient replace them now?

Problem with kde and sound

Hi!
I've a problem with KDE and sound.
When KDE shows a alert the alert's sound sounds with delay. 3-5 seconds.
Same happens with kde start.
Can anybody help me?
Thanks!

Pilli wrote:
Hi!
I've a problem with KDE and sound.
When KDE shows a alert the alert's sound sounds with delay. 3-5 seconds.
Same happens with kde start.
Can anybody help me?
Thanks!
Change the player to mplayer or something in the control panel (Sound and Multimedia - System notifications - Player Settings).

KDE and kde apps don't started

Couple of days ago i had installed arch32 from arch64 using this how-to https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sw … i686_HOWTO, everything works fine except i needed to reinstall man-db & delete libreoffice configuration dir. Yesterday evening i installed kde, and kdm works just fine, but when starting kde the splash window reaches the first icon & crashesh. xinit/slim do that too, also apps wont start.
[root@2xrainbow ~]# dolphin
unnamed app(1832): KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server: "Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken."
unnamed app(1831): KUniqueApplication: Pipe closed unexpectedly.
[root@2xrainbow ~]# exit
[maki@2xrainbow ~]$ dolphin
unnamed app(1833): Communication problem with "dolphin" , it probably crashed.
Error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown" : " "The name org.kde.dolphin was not provided by any .service files" "
and xinit
[maki@2xrainbow ~]$ xinit /usr/bin/startkde -- :1
X.Org X Server 1.9.4
Release Date: 2011-02-04
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.37-ARCH i686
Current Operating System: Linux 2xrainbow 2.6.37-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Jan 29 19:40:04 UTC 2011 i686
Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda2 ro
Build Date: 04 February 2011 09:39:45PM
Current version of pixman: 0.20.2
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.1.log", Time: Wed Feb 16 12:13:35 2011
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
(==) Using config directory: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d"
Agent pid 1884
startkde: Starting up...
Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)
kded(1901): Communication problem with "kded" , it probably crashed.
Error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown" : " "The name org.kde.kded was not provided by any .service files" "
startkde: Shutting down...
klauncher: Exiting on signal 1
startkde: Running shutdown scripts...
unset SSH_AUTH_SOCK;
unset SSH_AGENT_PID;
echo Agent pid 1884 killed;
startkde: Done.
xinit: connection to X server lost
waiting for X server to shut down

Solved it by changing username, wierd ...
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Change_username

What's the difference between gnome, kde and xfce?

What's the difference between gnome, kde and xfce? Today I heard someone said gnome and kde have more software than xfce. Is that real?
Thank you.
Last edited by thesimpsons (2009-04-02 01:50:28)

Its really a matter of taste, really. KDE is know to be configurable like hell, GNOME very easy to use, and XFCE lightweitgh.
Keep in mind that whatever desktop environment (DE) you choose, you can use any application in any DE. For example, firefox, a "GTK" application, works without problem under KDE. Or Kile, a latex front-end for KDE, works perfect under Gnome.
Personnally I prefer KDE. But I mostly prefer KDE applications like the editors (Kate/Kwrite) and file manager (dolphin).
KDE is slower to start on my EeePC (really small machine) but because it is full featured, I can cut on number of packages installed, so in the end, with the same functionality, I have more room on my disk then using XFCE!
Just try them, and choose the one you like

[SOLVED] Problem witch qt4 , KDE and startx

Hi!
With the recent update of qt4 i had a problem to start X session.
First, i update all with pacman -Syu (qt4 to 4.8.4-11), and then update only qt4 to 4.8.4-12.
A few hours i have a problem to start KDE and show me a message:
Could not start d-bus. Can you call qdbus?
After trying to use the following command:
xinit steam -- :1
and to my surprise, run KDE without problems, but with xinitrc exec startkde and startx it continues equal
Last edited by xpt (2013-03-08 20:40:33)

gnome-session, startkde and startxfce4 will start a D-Bus session automatically if one is not already running. The skeleton file for ~/.xinitrc (/etc/skel/.xinitrc) will do the same. Make sure that your ~/.xinitrc is based on the skeleton file /etc/skel/.xinitrc.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/D-Bus
So...
$ cat /etc/skel/.xinitrc
#!/bin/sh
# ~/.xinitrc
# Executed by startx (run your window manager from here)
if [ -d /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d ]; then
for f in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/*; do
[ -x "$f" ] && . "$f"
done
unset f
fi
# exec gnome-session
# exec startkde
# exec startxfce4
# ...or the Window Manager of your choice
... because ...
$ ls /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/
30-dbus 40-libcanberra-gtk-module xdg-user-dirs
That's why dbus is not started.
EDIT:
As a side note: I strongly suggest using KDM in your case. You can create a session file only for steam and switch to a seperate session with only steam from inside KDE. This will also stop KDE from running, when all you want is steam.
Last edited by Awebb (2013-03-04 22:50:54)

What's the difference between reguler KDE and KDEmod?

Hello all,
In two weeks I get my new laptop, which will be capable of running Arch and KDE ( as my current computer isn't, somehow it only runs Fedora w/ Gnome)
Since I really like Arch and already got it working on Virtualbox, I want to install it on my new laptop. I'd like to get it working with KDE, but I noticed Arch also has KDEmod. I already searched the forums but couldn't really find an answer to my question: What is the difference between regular KDE and KDEmod and which one is better for me to use?
Thanks in advance!

Allan, i forgive you for your poor paragraph construction and sorry for me being a bit peeved
However, i know you have read more from the IRC log than just that one sentence by me...
Allan wrote:
From the IRC log, I do not think that conclusion is too far off, especially if you are considering Arch-Stable as your base... So saying "plain wrong" seems... well... plain wrong. Especially given the irc log:
<funkyou> in one sentence: to do what we really want to do, we need a stable platform.
So why not showing the whole picture and clear this up:
<funkyou> ok, to start: i think at least some of you have noticed that arch linux is a fine platform for what we want to deliver, but there are some little "annoyances"
<funkyou> mainly:
<funkyou> -.so bumps every few weeks
<funkyou> -the general "freshness"
<funkyou> -a lot of manual interaction needed (sometimes)
<funkyou> everyone can see these problems when looking at the forums, _most_ of them are related to updates
<funkyou> in one sentence: to do what we really want to do, we need a stable platform.
Makes more sense now? Its not that Arch is too unstable, its just that we cant keep up will all the changes... And this is not Archs "fault" nor anyone elses fault, its just going too fast for us. Most annoying or severe bugs in our tools are there due to upstream updates. And the reasons are not really the .so bumps (which are mostly solved by a simple rebuild) but also constantly changing apis and stuff. This is not a big problem in KDE (they keep their apis clean), but a big one when it comes to other stuff like parted, to give an example. And this is our main problem, we need to constantly adapt our code to upstream changes.
This even resulted in a repo with modified or "frozen" Arch packages just to keep our liveCD going, and now we are looking for solutions for this problem, and "stable" snapshots seem to be one way... Oh, and if we would do this (there is nothing announced yet), we would do our own snapshot every X months because ArchStable seems to be a dead project. We also considered cooperating with the ArchServer guys, but their stuff is really made for servers, so even while their project is really nice its not really an option for us.
Well, we'll see what we will do during the next months, now we are still testing and evaluating some solutions... Oh, and people, please stop any "we dont need another ubuntu" complaints...

Surround sound in ALSA in KDE and dmix, a working case

After two days of searching the web, reading manuals, typing and constant rebooting, I ended up with a configuration for ALSA that works fine 95% of the time. Right now I am listening to 5.1 surround sound (through upmixing) from any app I want (flash not installed, so not tested). I am writing it here 'cause I didn't find this answer to any other forum and the solution on Archwiki didn't work, so it might help a lot of people. The following .asoundrc is a slightly modified version of a .asoundrc file that could be found on alsa.opensrc.org before it went down (found it on wayback machine). Here it is:
pcm.card0 {
type hw
card 0 #change this to our device
device 0 #change this to our device
# mmap_emulation true
pcm.dmix0 {
type dmix
ipc_key 34521
slave {
pcm "hw:0,0" #change this to your device
channels 6
pcm.dsnoop0 {
type dsnoop
ipc_key 34523
slave {
pcm "hw:0,0" #change this to your device
pcm.asym0 {
type asym
playback.pcm "dmix0"
capture.pcm "dsnoop0"
pcm.pasym0 {
type plug
slave.pcm "asym0"
# 'dsp0' is espected by OSS emulation etc.
pcm.dsp0 {
type plug
slave.pcm "asym0"
ctl.dsp0 {
type hw
card 0 #change this to our device
pcm.!default {
type plug
slave.pcm "asym0"
ctl.!default {
type hw
card 0 #change this to your device
pcm.upmix51 {
type upmix
slave.pcm "asym0"
delay 15
channels 6
pcm.!default "plug:upmix51"
This will allow for both input and output mixing, togther with 5.1 sound. I think it can be summarized to 5 or 6 lines but my brain is too bloated with all the linux audio crap right now to even think about it..
In some cases, in KDE, when some phonon based apps like Bangarang or Amarok are the first ones to produce sound after boot, then the sound device is locked and no other app will be able to access it and play anything. If I exit the app, play sth else, eg speakertest -c 6, then everything works fine and I can have any app produce sound (even Amarok and Bangarang). In these wicked circumstances, I noticed that KDE notifies me of some sound devices not working and falling back to some other ones (that do not necessarily have a different name). Also the login sound doesn't play and maybe it is due to this that the notification appears. In any case, after rebooting the whole thing (usually) doesn't repeat.
Another thing with ALSA that mixed things more is that, in case you have a usb webcam plugged in, sometimes its microphone becomes the default device and the above .asoundrc will stop working. To prevent this simply change the order the devices are loaded by putting the following in a file under /etc/modprobe.d:
alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel
alias snd-card-1 snd_usb_audio
options snd-card-0 index=0
options snd-hda-intel index=0
options snd-card-1 index=1
options snd_usb_audio index=1
(found here http://ramblings.narrabilis.com/alsa-no … boot-time). The aliases are probably not needed.
I am curious to see if this works for anyone else. Also, I don't know how to use alsa-equal with this .asoundrc, so any advice is welcome. (By the way, I never got alsa-equal to work with Amarok).
Last edited by tterranigma (2012-04-12 00:18:59)

Correct about samplerate_best.
Yes, but is there another app that has audio open?
Well, yes and no.. In KDE running fuser (and lsof) shows "kde4" and "kmix", but I doubt these are actually using the device, because, even with software mixing disabled, they are still listed, yet I can still play surround sound with speakertest.
Also, in KDE, I diabled/enabled (on the fly) samplerate_best several times while trying things, without restarting KDE and the results where mixed. The same with your .asoundrc and other configurations. As a conclusion, while in KDE ALWAYS restart it to be sure that the new .asoundrc is used (fastest way ctrl+alt+bksp to kill X).
A question:
Generally, in linux, everything uses ALSA (ok, also OSS) to produce sound. So .asoundrc is always in effect no matter what app we are using, right? However, before even enabling surround sound, with alsaequal installed as the deffault device (as te wiki suggests), the equalizer was used only by apps talking directly to ALSA (eg VLC, speakertest) and was ignored by phonon apps. Any explanation? On the contrary, VLC seems to ignore .asoundrc as far as surround sound and samplrate_best are concerned. What is happening?
In any case, how could I change .asoundrc to make use of alsaequal as the default, together with 5.1 sound and dmixing?

KDE and GNOME install no found smbclient from all mirrors?

I met this issue when try to install KDE and GNOME. It is not found even in Arch's ftp and many mirrors.
Who can help me this?
Thanks in advance,
Mike

do pacman -Sy before. smbclient was updated yesterday and maybe you forgot to sync the database.

KDE and all the apps that come with it

I have a question about the KDE group (and packages) and pardon me if I demonstrate my lack of understanding.
I'm fairly new to using linux as a desktop, although I've been using it (and FreeBSD) as server for quite some time. So I can get around fairly well with command line, and server based stuff.
I tried many distributions but didnt find one that I got attached to, and was about to go thru a Gentoo install when I discovered Arch. Since then its been fantastic. On my home lan I've replaced almost all my windows installations with arch and have not had any major issues.
However, looking at the slick way that pacman works, with all the little packages I can choose from and the dependancy chain figured out for me, I was a little dissapointed that KDE comes with a dozen or so packages that contain 100s of apps. For instance, I am pretty sure I dont need KBabel (a translator), yet I cannot install it thru pacman because it isnt in its own package, it is in kdeaddons. I REALLY like the idea of having a KDE group that would install everything that it currently does, but why have so many apps inside that group of packages?
I took a little look at the kde website and didnt really see anything in there that indicated that KBabel is part of an actual kdeaddons package there, so I am assuming that the kde maintainer for arch decided that it should be that way.
I dont know any better, so thats why I am asking. I dont have a need for a fax viewer, a tea cooker, or a moon phase thingo. but I did like the AMOR to amuse the kids a little. So how can I keep one bit and get rid of the others, without having to dig thru stuff and possibly break the dependancy chain?
Anyway, not to take away from the effort of those maintaining the packages, because it works quite well and I'm really enjoying my new systems. Just wanted to ask if there was a specific reason it was done this way.
Kudos.

skparkes wrote:
Well, as it stands, no you can't just pick individual apps in KDE. If you really want to pick what you want, you will have to turn to building from source. You can probably alter kdeaddons in ABS, or just start with Konstruct.
Personally, I understand why they just lump all of kde into 5-10 packages. It would be a complete headache otherwise. I've got the hard drive space and I can handle a few unused applications laying around. Keep up the good work to the new KDE maintainer eh?
Later,
Isamoor
That's probably the exact reason. There's probably around 100+ programs (I could be under or over by a lot, it just seems like there are a ton) that come with a fully installed KDE, and if you had to install them all individually, it'd be hell. It's just easier to put them all together into a few packages, because most people'll probably want to use KDE's stuff within the KDE environment, anyway.

KDE and GNOME?

Hi everyone
Because KDE can be quite moany, is there a way to install both KDE and GNOME, but keep them kinda isolated from each other?
If that makes no sense (doesn't to me), I mean, like install both, but keep each other's apps and applets out of the way (like, no gnome network applet in KDE, and AWN in gnome but not KDE)
Thanks in advance

hmohammed43 wrote:
Because KDE can be quite moany, is there a way to install both KDE and GNOME, but keep them kinda isolated from each other?
If that makes no sense (doesn't to me), I mean, like install both, but keep each other's apps and applets out of the way (like, no gnome network applet in KDE, and AWN in gnome but not KDE)
You could setup a dual-boot system, one Arch install with Gnome, and one with KDE. That should keep them pretty well separated if they aren't allowed to share anything but SWAP and your GRUB configuration file.

KDE and hal

Installed Arch recently, using Gnome desktop, I decided to install KDE to have a look at it, did a pacman -S kde and got it installed, changed my rc.conf to kdm instead of gdm, saved changes an restarted, now hal will not load and kde does not load the desktop, switched back to gdm in the rc.conf file and gnome loads fine, what shoud I do to get kde to load the desktop?
Just so you know I am really new to Linux.
TIA to all who respond.

Thanks for your responses, most of them are over my head, I will do some reading.
@eDio, yes I am sure of that
DAEMONS=(syslog-ng dbus hal network netfs crond alsa gdm)
I assumed hal was needed, when kde loads it just gives me a background and a terminal window.

Install compiz-fusion without KDE and QT ??

Hi guys, just wanna install compiz-fusion on my box.
sudo pacman -S compiz-fusion
compiz-fusion package not found, searching for group...
:: group compiz-fusion (including ignored packages):
ccsm compiz-core compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compiz-fusion-plugins-main
compizconfig-backend-gconf compizconfig-backend-kconfig emerald
emerald-themes fusion-icon
:: Install whole content? [Y/n] y
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...
Targets (21): libxslt-1.1.26-1 fuse-2.8.3-1 compiz-core-0.8.4-3
libcompizconfig-0.8.4-1 pyrex-0.9.8.5-2
compizconfig-python-0.8.4-1 ccsm-0.8.4-1 compiz-bcop-0.8.4-1
compiz-fusion-plugins-main-0.8.4-2
compiz-fusion-plugins-extra-0.8.4-1
compizconfig-backend-gconf-0.8.4-1 libmng-1.0.10-3
[b]qt3-3.3.8-17 [/b] libart-lgpl-2.3.20-1 libidn-1.16-1
[b]kdelibs3-3.5.10-10 compizconfig-backend-kconfig-0.8.4-1 [/b]
xdg-utils-1.0.2.20100303-1 emerald-0.8.4-2
emerald-themes-0.6.0-2 fusion-icon-20091023-1
Total Download Size: 40.17 MB
Total Installed Size: 147.59 MB
as you can see it wants install qt3-3.3.8-17 , delibs3-3.5.10-10 , compizconfig-backend-kconfig-0.8.4-1 , is there a way to prevent install KDE and QT3/4 stuff? I dont use KDE at all.
any advice would be appreciated, thanks

Try installing the packages themselves instead of the group. Basically it lists packages in the group, just install the rest except for kconfig backend.

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