KEDR change derivation rules

Hi
I need to change existing derivation rules of one of the characteristic in COPA.
1: However when i am in change mode in KEDR i am unable to change source (greyed out )
So do i have to delete the old rule step completely and create a new rule?
Will there be any issues if system is live and i am trying to change derivation rules?
Appreciate your help
Regards,
Reddy

No system allow you to change please check your authorization
Ali

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Short text
Calculate Balance Sheet Adjustment
Description
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