KEDR - Derivation Rules in FICO

Hi all,
I want to know about the Transaction KEDR like what is the use of this tcode, how it works, etc....... As im new to FICO i dont understand about the Derivation Strategy, Derivation rules which is used in this Tcode.
Can anyone guide me on this. It will be a great help if anyone help me out in this.
Thanks in advance.......

Hi,
Derivation strategy determines the way to derive the values. Derivation rule will actually make you derive the values based on given parameters.
As I said earlier, say for example Business needs to analyse COPA values on Department wise. Now department field say not captured in any other means, then to derive the value of department and post in copa, u use KEDR.
In KEDR u specify the source fields which in turn act as the parameter comibnation throght which target field Department is to be populated.
Regard
Sudhakar Reddy

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Hi all,
I am new to FICO and i need to work on the Derivation Rules Txn KEDR in FI/CO.
That is i need to know the
1. Purpose
2. Example
3. Then walk through the process.
Actually i dont know anything about the Derivation Rules as well as KEDR. And i dont know what is the link between the KEDR and Derivation Rules.
Can anyone guide me on this. It will be a great help if anyone help me out in this.
Thanks in advance.......

Hi,
Derivation strategy determines the way to derive the values. Derivation rule will actually make you derive the values based on given parameters.
As I said earlier, say for example Business needs to analyse COPA values on Department wise. Now department field say not captured in any other means, then to derive the value of department and post in copa, u use KEDR.
In KEDR u specify the source fields which in turn act as the parameter comibnation throght which target field Department is to be populated.
Regard
Sudhakar Reddy

Transport Problem - for KEDR Derivation rule

We are trying to create derivation rule through transaction KEDR without any values. After creating derivation rule, it is creating workbench transport request eventhough K9RE* table is client dependent.
We have different transport routes/groups for customizing and workbench. SAP Layer is assinged to workbench transport group with one another Z* layer.
When we are trying to create request it is creating workbench transport request eventhough it is client dependent. It is using KEG0 package which is assinged to SAP layer.
Workbench transport are not going to all clients and we have to move request manually to other clients.
What should we do for changing this behaviour?
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With detailed explanation:
I thing previous post with was not detailed enough. Please see below.
We have created two different transport group for differentiating
customizing and workbench transport request.
ZECD layer is assigned to /CUST/ group where as ZWBK and SAP layer is
assinged to /WRKB/ group.
We are moving all client independent transports (assigned to /WRKB/
group) to only 1 client in other systems.
While creating derivation rule through transaction KEDR, it is not
allowing us to assing /CUST/ group eventhough config is client dependent.
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The Derivation rule config is client dependent eventhough it is creatingworkbench request. We would like to know why it is creating workbench
request instead of customizing request.
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Miral.

KEDR derivation rules

Hi,
I just like to ask fro recommendation what to use.
I have to check the region if it is not in the customized table. i have to clear the state/province.
This question might be simple hope someone can help me.
Lore

Hi
COPA0001 is a user exit which allows to write ABAP code to derive COPA Chars.. You can write your logic to derive/clear chars
br, Ajay M

KEDR change derivation rules

Hi
I need to change existing derivation rules of one of the characteristic in COPA.
1: However when i am in change mode in KEDR i am unable to change source (greyed out )
So do i have to delete the old rule step completely and create a new rule?
Will there be any issues if system is live and i am trying to change derivation rules?
Appreciate your help
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Reddy

No system allow you to change please check your authorization
Ali

KEDR - Testing Newly added Cost Element to Derivation Rule

Hi There -
Background: We have Column in COPA KE30 report - 3BOXID. This field is updated with Blank and the reason we found is cost element is missing in dervation rule and we added the respective cost element to Derivation Rule
Can you please help me in testing this
Thanks
Sri

Hi,
Basically i understand that you wish to have HR posting to COPA
Please take a look at attached note 130344.
Basically according to the note there are 2 options:
1. The update of data from the Payroll in Controlling should be carried out in the standard system to the cost center. The actual commissions posted to cost center can then be posted to Profitability Analysis by assessment.
2. If you assign the relevant account via the automatic account assignment in transaction OKB9 to profitability segment a costing-based CO-PA document should be created for the postings of transaction PCP0. The profitability segment determined should only be filled rather scarcely though as not much information is available in this case.
regards
Waman

Derivation Rule in report painter

I want Product describtion along with Product number. in a report. I have created a derivation rule through KEDR. and coppied the product describtionin the rule. Now how to use this derivation rule in the report.

Harish,
There is no need to define seprate derivation rule as product description is readily available in COPA tables.
Just select product description characterstics for available list while designing report.If report already exists then go to change mode and make nessesary changes.
Please call me for any more inputs.
Ashok

Derivation rule in COPA from BSEG

Hi experts,
My issue is to derivate a field (SEGMENT) from Table BSEG in COPA.
Unfortunatly my customer donu2019t use the standard customizing from the SEGMENT derivation rule, we donu2019t populate the field SEGMENT in the profit center master data.
Firstly, with a user exit (U903 - ZRGGBS000) which is trigger with substitution rule we populated the field SEGMENT in BSEG.
Now I created a new characteristic WWSEG and I canu2019t derive it in KEDR with table look up, can I have your advices please?
With an abaper, we tried to find a solution with the COPA0005 exit but he donu2019t find the logic to map the source field BSEG-SEGMENT and the target field COPA-WWSEG
Thanks
Kinds regards
Cédric

Hi Waman,
Thanks a lot for all and thanks to Dave.
But it doesn't work.
The segment in bseg-segment is filled when posting a FI document.
For reminder, the field BSEG-SEGMENT is firstly filled with a user exit.
We implemented the note 1135567, we created the program ZRFI_OSS_KEAK_SEGMENT adapting the code to our characteristic WWSEG, when we tested, in debug we drop in the Abap code but the structure COBL-SEGMENT is not filled, therefore the WWSEG is not filled.
Have you other idea to solve my issue ?
Best regards
Cédric

Error occurred in derivation rule. See long text ; Message no. K/110

I am facing the below error when posting document in FI
Error occurred in derivation rule. See long text
    Message no. K/110
    CO-PA Characteristic Derivation
Diagnosis
    Step 0166 5400: Profit Center in Inventory Posting
    No derivation rule entry was found for the specified source values valid
    on 02.04.2014.
    The derivation rule was defined so that an error message is displayed
    when this occurs.
    The system could not find a rule entry valid on 02.04.2014 for the
    following source fields:
     Product Group
Procedure
     Create a rule entry for these source values and make sure that rule
     entries exist for all the source values.
     If you do not want the derivation to be performed in every instance, you
     can also change the derivation rule so that no error message is
     displayed if a rule entry is missing.
     Maintain entries
     Maintain derivation strategy
In KEDE:
In KEDR:
Please help me what might be the reason.

Hi Thanga,
I don't think this is the right group to ask questions relevant to Controlling-Profitability Analysis.
otherwise, it seems in your 'Characteristic Derivation/ Display Rule values' you are missing an argument 'to Product Group', therefore the system gives you this error 'The system could not find a rule entry valid..'.
hope this will help you.
Kind regards,
Renatas

Error occurred in derivation rule

Dear All,
After saving the billing document, & it is not realesed to A/c. Document.My client came across the following error;
Error occurred in derivation rule. See long text
Message no. K/111
CO-PA Characteristic Derivation
Diagnosis
Step 0031 Category --> Item Category Dummy
No entry in a derivation rule was found for the specified source fields.
The derivation rule was set up so that an error message appears when this happens.
The required derivation rule entry would need the following source fields:
Customer
31970063
Procedure
Create an entry in a derivation rule for these source field values. Make sure that entries exist for all the valid source field values. If the derivation should not always be carried out, you can also define a derivation rule so that no error message appears if a derivation rule entry does not exist.
Maintain entries
Maintain derivation strategy
Waiting for the response.
Thanks & Regards,
SPT

Hi,
Check value fields assigned to each condition types and take a help of FICO consultant.
Use this link to understand what configuration steps need to be taken accross.
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_46c/helpdata/en/7a/4c38e14a0111d1894c0000e829fbbd/content.htm
Thanks,
Swamy H P

Derivation Rule

Dear All,
I have Issue with derivation rule, When we create billing doc and try to post this to accounting. Its is throwing up message
"Step 0031 Customer --> Intercompany Indicator
No entry in a derivation rule was found for the specified source fields.
The derivation rule was set up so that an error message appears when this happens.
The required derivation rule entry would need the following source fields:
Customer 1"
Could some pls tell me how to resolve this issue. Pls guide me through the whole process.
Thank you.

In Derivation rule there would be a mapping of each customer to an Intercompany indicator. Check Transaction KEDR. KEDE for the customer
Anand

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Dear All,
Is it possible derive product from Material Group. The scenario is as below.
We executed KE30 report (Classic Drill down) for Product, the we are able to see the profitability for different products, when we click on the list button (Find button) againist the product at the bottom we found not assigned, we selected that and we found there are some un assigned amounts (without product). when we see the line items for the same the line items are coming with out product ( product field is emply)
Another observation is we created profitability assessment cycle (KEU5) in which cost center is the sender and material group is the receiver. when we run this cycle system is not distibuting the costs to the products, in the sender and receiver its executed with zero values.
In derivation rule KEDR we gave the logic to derive product from material group.
please guide the way which we are following is correct or not. can we derive product from material group.
Thanks,
Siva Reddy.S

Hi
Yes you can derive using "Derivation" method in KEDR and maintain a mapping of Mat Grp to Product... But that is not the right way
You need to find out why some lines are posted w/o products.. They can be genuine cases....
Also for assessment, either specify the Product as receiver or run KE28 Top Down Dist in order to allocate values from Mat group to Products..... Deriving Product from Mat group does not seem to be the nice way
br, Ajay M

Derivation Rule Problem - Sales Order -CHALLENGE TO ALL SD CONSULTANTS

Hi Friends
I am stuck on i very critical issue, i am not able to solve it, I am SD consultant, i wrote this issue on FI forum also, but i did not get complete solution, they write me back it is SD issue.
When i create a new sales order and click enter, a small screen open and message displayed on it "Error occurred in Derivation Rule, See long text"
And when try to save sales order in display incompletion log. When i press on edit to complete it message display " Item 10 ... Missing data- Profitability Segment No.
When i press on complete data - Account Assignment screen open (Business Area 9900)
Would you please send me solution with complete path to fix this problem
If you can give your email address, i will send you screen shot of the problem.
I have tried KEDR transaction issue also but nothing happened.
This is BIG challenge to all SD consultants now. Send me step by step solution
If you send my your email id, i will send actual error saved in word format.
Thanks
Rajesh
Email: [email protected]

Good luck!
to get a solution you need to provide the members of this forum with details regarding your PA set-up.
PA is normally very customer driven, so not standard.
Without information regarding your structure there you will not get any solution.
GL
Hein

Derivation Rule Problem - Sales Order

Hi Friends
I am SD consultant, i wrote this issue on SD forum also, but it is related to FICO.
Please send me solution with complete path.
When i create a new sals order and click enter, a small screen open and message displayed on it "Error occured in Derivation Rule, Seee long text"
And when try to save sales order in display incompletion log. When i press on edit to complete it message diaplay " Item 10 ... Missing data- Profitability Segment No.
When i press on complete data - Account Assignment screen open (Business Area 9900)
Would you please send me solution to fix this problem
If you can give your email address, i will send you screen shot of the problem.
Thanks
Rajesh
Email: [email protected]

Hi Waman
I ckeck the transaction code /nKEDR there which entry i should select and in type of prfatibity Which one i should select Costing based or Accounting based.
I tried on selecting IDEA and Accounting based and eleased but still i getting same error.
My problem is still pending, please send next step to solve this issue
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Raj
Email: [email protected]

Derivation Rule: COPA

Hello Everyone,
Could you please tell me how to write derivation rule in COPA. I would appreciation if you send me any document related to it.
Thanks in advance.
Sneha

Hi
I am working on SAP-ISU project. Our system is very old and we need to maintain it upt 2011. I found a Note 734718 for schedule records and implemented it.
I have searched for the programs which uses '31.12.2009' as end date. I found two programs RKEVKED0, LSSQ0V28. These are called dynamically. When I see the program I found that type-pools for KEDR is used. Also in the code dynamic table declaration is used.
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