Keeping externally-edited images as referenced files

I use a MacBook Pro and would like to keep all my masters on an external disk due to space constraints. Aperture's support for referenced files is perfect for this since I can keep preview images on the local disk and have them available even if I'm on the road.
The problem I have is that I use Photoshop to edit the bulk of my images. Whenever I do so, the new version is created as a managed file within the Aperture library. Is there a way to have Aperture create the new version as a referenced file in the same directory as the original? Having to remember to relocate a master each time I do an edit seems tedious.

It will always put the edited version in the library. However you don't have to remember what is in and what is out: create a filter on the library (or project or whatever) that shows you all the images that are managed (+ menu, File Status) and then relocate them with File > Relocate Masters.

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How can I export an edited image to a file?

I can't seem to find a way in iPhoto 09 do this. Can I export an edited image to a file, keeping the edits intact, or do I have to use a 3rd party editing app when I edit from inside iPhoto 09?
I would prefer to use iPhoto's editing tools so should I import previously cropped images into iPhoto? If yes, what file should I use? I was wondering if anyone does this on a regular basis and if there issues doing this.
I like the editing tools in iPhoto very much. In other apps I have always cropped, resized, corrected levels and a bit of color. I am not a power user by any means and I am close to doing this all in iPhoto if I could only export the edited image to a file.
The reason I want to do this is because the printing portion of my work flow is to upload files to my merchant who prints them and are ready for nearby pickup within an hour. This is all done at a very reasonable price and the color accuracy is very close.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Jim

You can edit from iPhoto by dragging to the desktop or exporting using the File -> Export command, setting the Kind to anything except original.
But you probably don’t need to:
There are many, many ways to access your files in iPhoto:
*For Users of 10.5 Only*
You can use any Open / Attach / Browse dialogue. On the left there's a Media heading, your pics can be accessed there. Apple-Click for selecting multiple pics.
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You can access the Library from the New Message Window in Mail:
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*For users of 10.4 and 10.5* ...
Many internet sites such as Flickr and SmugMug have plug-ins for accessing the iPhoto Library. If the site you want to use doesn’t then some, one or any of these will also work:
To upload to a site that does not have an iPhoto Export Plug-in the recommended way is to Select the Pic in the iPhoto Window and go File -> Export and export the pic to the desktop, then upload from there. After the upload you can trash the pic on the desktop. It's only a copy and your original is safe in iPhoto.
This is also true for emailing with Web-based services. However, if you're using Gmail you can use iPhoto2GMail
If you use Apple's Mail, Entourage, AOL or Eudora you can email from within iPhoto.
If you use a Cocoa-based Browser such as Safari, you can drag the pics from the iPhoto Window to the Attach window in the browser.
*If you want to access the files with iPhoto not running*:
Create a Media Browser using Automator (takes about 10 seconds) or use this free utility Karelia iMedia Browser
Other options include:
1. *Drag and Drop*: Drag a photo from the iPhoto Window to the desktop, there iPhoto will make a full-sized copy of the pic.
2. *File -> Export*: Select the files in the iPhoto Window and go File -> Export. The dialogue will give you various options, including altering the format, naming the files and changing the size. Again, producing a copy.
3. *Show File*: Right- (or Control-) Click on a pic and in the resulting dialogue choose 'Show File'. A Finder window will pop open with the file already selected.
Regards
TD

Externally edited image not stored with referenced files?

When I open an image in the external editor, do my work in PS, and then save, the new file is located in the Aperture Library even though the master for the image is a referenced file. Is there any way to change this so the new images will be placed in the same folder as the referenced images? Thanks...gary
mac book, G5 dual Mac OS X (10.4.8)

I'm afraid for the moment you have to do it manually by selecting the image and going to File/Relocate Master.
We should have and option in Aperture to allow us to have ALL the images in an external location.

Editing Image From PDF File To Use in AI Document

Hello,
I am a beginner user of AI and am having trouble with editing certain images from PDF files on Illustrator. I'm not even sure what I'm trying to do can be done on Illustrator or requires Photoshop.
A) Here is the first example (Note that this is only similar to the type of image I am talking about. It is not the exact one as I don't have access to it right now):
So let's say here are the things I want to do. (1) Extract it from the PDF file, (2) transfer it to my AI document without blurriness, (3) change the white background of the image to another color (eg. grey), (4) and embolden the lines presently in the image. If you can advise what's the way to perform these tasks?
I have used image trace at times but if the photo is too light, portions of it will vanish. The portions that do remain become way too bold. It would be great if there was a way I could make most if not each components of the image controllable/movable. Is it possible?
Also, what if I want to erase some of the text on the image? I have tried using the eraser tool but it does not erase on images.
B) How would I go about removing the background of a photo like this and replacing it with a color?
Please keep in mind that I am a complete neophyte when it comes to using Illustrator, Photoshop etc so take this into consideration when explaining. Thanks in advance

Trent,
To make a clear and clean drawing like A), it is better to use the image as a locked template and recreate with the native tools; most things can be made with the Rectangle Tool and the Ellipse Tool, some with the Line Segment Tool or the Pen Tool; and you can use different Window>Pathfider operations.
It is probably easier to get rid of the surroundings in B) using Photoshop where you can erase colours within a range; the grass seen through the windows may be treated by itself, and you may wish to keep the shadow.

10.4.4 fixes EXIF in externally edited images!

After applying the 10.4.4 update, files opened in Photoshop from Aperture seem to retain all EXIF - at any rate they had key things like lens focal length and shutter speed.
Keywords now also show up in Photoshop as well.
The exif bug on exported TIFF's is still there - some EXIF data (but not all) gets removed. Now that externally editing files no longer drops metadata thugh, all JPG output has all the EXIF data included.
So I wonder what else was fixed. It's funny, we all seemed to be expecting RAW improvements but got Aperture patches instead. No complaints here as the EXIF bug fix will make a lot of people happy.

<...>
I believe he also said that
you can now export a new master to Photoshop and it
will still maintain the EXIF data you plug in while
in Aperture vis a vis Photo Mechanic.
You meant open a version for external editing, right? I just like to keep terms clear...
Anyway, it's true enough that keywords I entered in APerture show up in Phtooshop as well, very nice. One thing that would be kind of nice is for Aperture to take any EXIF updates back into itself - so if for some crazy reason I entered a new keyword in Photoshop or edited EXIF it would be nice if Aperture picked that up on return. I know it doesn't read new keywords, I had not tried altering EXIF data.
I am also pleased to hear verification that RAW updates are still coming, I figured they just were not included for some reason.

Managing and editing image and video files on the go

I am looking for the best solution to store, manage and edit pictures and videos taken with external devices (DSLR camera and GoPro primarily) using my iPad as an interface and not requiring a computer. I was initially thinking that some sort of portable hard drive was the ticket, however, the Apple Lightning to SD reader might be an option as well. In any case, I don't want to use my iPad for storage, but only to access files from the storage medium. Here are the requirements I am looking for:
Ability to view and manage (including delete) the files from the storage device using my iPad
No requirement to load or sync the files onto the iPad to be able to view and delete the files
Easily be able to select and transfer specific files to my iPad to work with and publish
Ability to export edited files from my iPad back to the storage medium once I am done working with it (I could work around this one if necessary)
Whatever I end up with should be small enough to easily pack and transport when I am travelling
What would the best device be for me?
I have looked at the new Hyperdrive iUSBport HD as one possibliity, but I am not very familiar with their devices. I guess my other option is to buy several SD cards and use the Apple Lightning to SD reader, but I'm not certain it will accomplish everything I am after. Especially in the later case I would really need to be able to view and delete files (video in particular) that I do not want. Any advice on the above devices or other devices that I should look at?
Thanks,
Matt

Have a look at this.
http://www.sandisk.com/products/wireless/flash-drive/

Why I can no longer save edited images as jpeg file in CS6?

When the save dialog box appears, under Save Options and next to Layers there is a yellow triangle with an exclamation mark showing the Layers are not saved. My images are 72 dpi, I have changed screen resolution and no result.I have the image set to RGB colors and 8 bits/channel. Anybody else has experienced this?(It saves it fine in psd, though).Help!!

Ok, you need to know what you want to do with your image. For example if it's for the web the best way to save to jpg is.. File-Save for Web, then you will see a Box with four pages,, you can choose: Original which is going to be your original image,... Optimized which is a Lower quality version. 2-Up and 4-Up.
when you click on 4-Up Tab you see your original image in the top left, Also you have your image in 3 different windows with different file size and speed. You can click on each window and inside the Preset in Top right choose JPEG. and you can change the quality from Low to High or Drag the Quality Slider for different quality.
NOTE: when you do File-Save For Web,, you are going to have a flatten Image.. you will loose your Layers.
It is always better if you shoot your images In higher Res, such as 240, or 300 dpi, and later Down-sample the image to a lower quality for the web. If you have the original image at Higher Res, First you should Go to Image Image-size For Example Height 1200 Pixel. If you go ahead and save the file for the web then you don't need to change the Resolution. don't forget to Sharpen your image when you Down-sample

Refernce files and external edited files

Hello,
i am testing Aperture and i was wondering if it was possible to use only refernced files.
in my Library there are only refernced files. But if I use PS to edit an files - aperture creates a working copy that will be editet an after PS saved the file Aperture as the updated copy stored in the library.
the library-file is increasing the amount of the filesize of the saved picture.
Is there anyway not to save the edited file in the library but have it as a refernced file in the library while using that very nice workflow?
Thanks
Maverick

Is this true???
My experience is that Ap creates either psd or tif file and exports it out to PS. Once editing is done, Ap reimports the edited files into Ap Library and not just modification data (since PS does change the image at pixel level, not non-destructive). The result is each tif/psd file is increasing the library size by 50+mb, depending on size of your original image.
Since I only use referenced masters, would you please be kind enough to tell me what option/steps I need to take so that, either the externally edited file gets automatically stored in the folder that the master file is, or if Ap truly only keep mod data, how I do that?
Currently, I export manually, and edit the file directly in PS and save, then re-import the edited image as referenced master and stack with the original raw. Cumbersome, but the file stays referenced in my folder where the original raw file is.
Thanks...
MBP Mac OS X (10.4.8) Boot Camp/XP Pro

External edits (PS CS 6) do not transfer from iPhoto to Aperture

I am sharing my main Aperture libary between Aperture and iPhoto. It works well, only external edits are problematic, when done while browsing the library in iPhoto.
When I open the library in iPhoto and edit a jpeg photo in Photoshop CS6, I can see clearly the edited version in the browser, for example, after applying the oil-paint effect in CS6.
But in Aperture the edits do not show: After switching from iPhoto to Aperture the externally edited image is still showing the original version, no indication of an external edit in the badges, no new version generated.
But when I drag the preview from the browser, the preview is showing the edits done in Photoshop CS6.
I suspect, because iPhoto is not creating a new quasi master like Aperture, and the external edits are witten to the preview of the edited version, the only way to access the external iPhoto edits will be by exporting the preview.
I tried this, because I wanted to avoid the creation of tiff or psd files as quasi masters, when doing external edits on jpegs, but when the edits are invisible in Aperture it will be no great help. Now, is that a bug or a feature?
Aperture 3.5.1, iPhoto 9.5.1, PS CS6

So, to clarify, what's happening is that the Thumbnails are not updating to match the changes made in Photoshop?
Where is your Library? On your start-up disk? On an External? If on an External, what format is that?
This might be a form of corruption, try Back Up and try rebuild the library: hold down the command and option (or alt) keys while launching iPhoto. Use the resulting dialogue to rebuild.
Maybe I need to reset the Preferences?
Perhaps? Try trash the com.apple.iPhoto.plist file from the HD/Users/ Your Name / library / preferences folder. (Remember you'll need to reset your User options afterwards. These include minor settings like the window colour and so on. Note: If you've moved your library you'll need to point iPhoto at it again.)
*What's the plist file?*
For new users: Every application on your Mac has an accompanying plist file. It records certain User choices. For instance, in your favourite Word Processor it remembers your choice of Default Font, on your Web Browser is remembers things like your choice of Home Page. It even recalls what windows you had open last if your app allows you to pick up from where you left off last. The iPhoto plist file remembers things like the location of the Library, your choice of background colour, whether you are running a Referenced or Managed Library, what preferences you have for autosplitting events and so on. Trashing the plist file forces the app to generate a new one on the next launch, and this restores things to the Factory Defaults. Hence, if you've changed any of these things you'll need to reset them. If you haven't, then no bother. Trashing the plist file is Mac troubleshooting 101.
Is it because I a have accumulated about 5,000 images in my library and the program is maxing out?
iPhoto 09 is good for a 250,000 images so you've got a little headroom yet...
Regards
TD

External Edit problem - always JPG instead of TIF/PSD

I would like to report my problem detaily, hope someone can help me out of it
I use LR 3.3 64 bit with PS CS5 64 bit on Windows7 64bit with CR6.3.
In the past, it happens like this:
    - I select External edit preference to TIFF file.
    - If i select the file "abc.jpg" and select "Edit a copy" (with or without LR changes), a file name "abc-edit.tif" will be created and opened by PS, after i finish editing, i click "Save" and the "abc-edit.tif" will appear as-is in the LR's catalog.
Now, it happens like this:
    - If i select the file "abc.jpg" and select "Edit a copy with LR changes", it will open the original file "abc.jpg" in PS (with the LR changes) (!!!).
    - If i select the file "abc.jpg" and select "Edit a copy without LR changes", it will create a "abc-edit.jpg" and open in PS. After i finished editing, if i save it as a tif/psd file, that file will not appear in LR catalog (but the "abc-edit.jpg" file)
I dont think this is normal and the effort i have tried one by one are:
    - Update camera raw to 6.3
    - Delete all PS preferences by delete all .psp file and Hold Ctrl-Alt-Shift when opening PS
    - Uninstall and reinstall PS CS5 and LR
    - Uninstall PS CS5 and install PS CS4
None of above way works for me and the problem still the same.
Anybody share the same problem w/ me and have any clue about this.
Thanks !
PS: I have googled one thread here discuss about the same problem but the way it solved doesnt work for me.
http://www.lightroomforums.net/showthread.php?6607-Lightroom-bypass-external-editor-settin gs&p=81191#post81191

LR changes are stored w/in metadata in the JPG header area so opening a JPG with LR adjustments and ending up with the same-named JPG in PS seems normal because ACR is used behind the scenes to open the file, just like it would RAW file that adjustments in the XMP sidecar.
I think LR catalogs the originally-named file, not the other name if you save it as something else.
I don't know as anything is wrong, or different than normal.
If LR is newer or older than PS by a major version (or sometimes in other cases) then editing must create a separate copy with a new name to contain the adjustments, but if your LR and ACR version of synchronized (like LR 3.3 and ACR 6.3 are) then the integration does not produce a differently-named file because the adjustments stored by LR in the metadata headers are completely compatible with PS and ACR so it just reads them and uses them to create an in-memory rendering of the changes w/o going through an intermediate file.

File opened in external editor not stored with referenced files

If I open a referenced raw file in an external editor (CS2) and work on the image adding layers etc., the image is not stored where I have all the other referenced files. It gets stored in the Aperture Library. Is there a way around this. I want to keep all my files together. This can be done in Lightroom, but I am trying to make Aperture work for my workflow.
Thanks,
gary
mac book, G5 Mac OS X (10.4.7)

Well, here's the feedback I submitted to Apple:
With the introduction of Aperture 1.5, you offered users the ability to manage their own libraries, and for Aperture to work with 'referenced' images. In fact, because of this very reason, many of us consumers decided to buy Aperture 1.5.
Most of us photographers also use Adobe Photoshop routinely.
But there is a huge problem/bug for us users who manage our own library (force Aperture to work with 'referenced' images) AND use Photoshop (or any external editor for that matter). When we open a file in an external editor via Aperture, Aperture creates a new 'master' for editing -- but does so in its own 'managed' library! When we save from Photoshop, the image remains in the 'managed' library! So now we have one 'master' in our own directory, and the externally-edited 'master' in Aperture's 'managed' library! This is very CONFUSING and renders external editing via Aperture USELESS... no one in their right mind would want one version of their image in an organized directory, and an edited version in Aperture's managed library (where it is difficult to find manually)! No, it makes much more sense to create the edited 'master' in the same location as the original 'master'!
PLEASE fix this bug ASAP! Aperture already has a good method for automatically renaming files by adding (1) or (2) or (3) or so forth when it is relocating files and finds a file with the same file-name. The same logic can be applied when creating a new 'master' for external-editing: that is, it should just create another .tiff (or .psd, or what have you) file with the same name but with a (1) or (2) tagged on. For example, if my master image is \Pictures\Seattle\SpaceNeedle.tiff, then when I open this image in an external editor, Aperture should automatically make the file: \Pictures\Seattle\SpaceNeedle (1).tiff, and open that file in the external editor... rather than create SpaceNeedle.tiff in its own managed library where I can't even find it using Finder or Windows Explorer, etc.
Many of us have this complaint (just search Apple discussions)... PLEASE rectify this problem ASAP as it is completely messing up our workflows by requiring us to manually save through the external editor and then having to manually remove every 'managed' file that Aperture makes. This is really a pain and seriously makes me want to switch to a different image management program... though I love Aperture thus far and would love to stick to it as I believe it is visionary and shaping the future of how photographers will manage their digital workflows!
Many thanks in advance for your time!
Best,
Rishi

I'm confused: 2 Aperture libraries + folder of externally referenced files

Ok...I might be doing this completely the wrong way...but its how I "learned".
I import files from my camera onto my MacBook Pro.
After that, I move the photos to my external drive (via File>Relocate Master).
Now on my external drive I have another Aperture Library, which exists at the same level as the folder for all the relocated files.
Is this "normal"? I figured there should be only one Library. Can I delete the Library (~29GB) on my external drive and just keep my folder of externally referenced files (~21GB)?
Confusedly,
J

Thanks Karsten!
2 more if you are willing...
1.
So I started Aperture off the library on my external, and it appears to be older (fewer photos by about 10% or so).
I think I can trash it, but is there any harm in me simply dragging it away in some folder and never looking at it again...just in case I missed something when comparing the two and trying to determine which was the "correct" version to keep? I'm just freaked out about losing something (or previous adjustments done to a file).
Hard drive space is not an issue for me fortunately - I have lots left.
2.
I now have to rename my external drive, but per your other post (thanks for that too!) - it sounds like it should be easy.
I looked for "Referenced" using the HUD and it showed all the pics. So I think I have moved all my pics to the internal drive.
Now I think I can rename while Aperture is not running, then "Relocate" the masters.
3.
Why is my Aperture library (the one I am using to launch the app, and should be the correct one) so large?
It is 9.67GB in size. It is referencing 7600 images, a lot of which have keywords, and very few have any type of adjustments done to them yet.
Thanks again so much, this is a great assistance...

AP3 collaboration, referenced files on external RAID

We are a small photo-studio with three photographers working together.
Here's how we work now:
- we import into AP3, unreferenced.
- when we finish the project we export as new Library and save it to an external RAID-solution (Synology) for all to have access to the project(s)
problems with this:
The weight of the exported projects, hence the time to copy and import
what we would like to do:
- use referenced for the RAW images
- keep these on a shared drive
- pass around projects which weigh less and speed up the process
Will the Libraries pick up the correct referenced files after importing them into each users Library or after opening them as a stand-alone Libary?
Any problems we can expect?
Any good references or help on the subject is welcome and appreciated.
many thanks
Henk

Yes it may work but also yes you can expect problems. Aperture is a single-user application not designed for the collaborative workflow you describe.
Apple badly needs a pro single-user laptop/desktop Apple-supported synch workflow. Badly needed and requested since v1. Here we are years later still dealing with workarounds, some flaky. Filemaker, Apple's other database app, has had this capability for decades.
Hopefully other folks will post solutions that may work, but remember that multi-user workarounds of this single-user app are prone to being flaky. Plan accordingly, including most importantly to back up original image files on and off site prior to import into Aperture or any other images management app.
Good luck!
-Allen Wicks

Externally edited Photoshop files are huge when saved back into Aperture 3

I start with an 8MB JPEG photo. I externally edit it in Photoshop Elements 6, and hit "Save". The edited image is saved back into Aperture, but it's now 34MB PSD. Ouch! My hard disk is big but this is over the top. The intent of me moving to Aperture from iPhoto had been to reduce file sizes (masters and versions), not to hugely increase them.
If I use "Save As" and convert it to a JPEG, the saved edited photo vanishes--it isn't in Aperture. I can't find it. If it is saved in some unknown location it is taking up hard disk space uselessly.
Can you help me do this better? I would be most grateful.
Message was edited by: shep222

shep222 wrote:>...even if I do zero Photoshop editing I still get this >3 times increase in file size.
Yup. That is how big such files are when not compressed and image data has not been discarded.
It's an Aperture vs. iPhoto thing: When I did Photoshop External Editing in iPhoto (before I switched to Aperture) the original JPEG stays a JPEG when exported to Photoshop. The file size problem does not occur in iPhoto.
That is correct, and is why few if any pros use iPhoto. iPhoto is by definition +low end,+ dumping image files into lossy JPEG by default. A RAW file imported into iPhoto is saved in JPEG unless the user takes special action to export it as TIFF or PSD.
Aperture won't allow it--it seems to insist on converting to PSD for external editing.
Also correct. Aperture is a professional app, and intentionally and repeatedly discarding image data would not be professional workflow.
My JPEG's are top-notch low-compression ones, using the least compression settings in my Olympus micro-4/3 camera (super fine, large image, with 1/2.7 compression). JPEG artefacts have not been an issue even after extensive Photoshop editing.
Agreed, top quality JPEGs can be very useful even though image information has been discarded. Back when RAW DSLR capture was unusably slow I shot many full-page magazine ads using JPEG Fine. But once the (fast) Nikon D2x came out I have always captured RAW and would no way ever again consider far inferior JPEG-only capture.
Perhaps Aperture is not for me, if we can't overcome this issue.
Perhaps. However IMO a far better approach is to shoot RAW and embrace a professional lossless workflow using Aperture. Mass storage is cheap and the benefits of RAW capture are very significant.
Already my Aperture Library is 70GB and I have barely started with it.
The issue of huge Library is due to using a Managed-Masters Library. Switch to RAW capture and a Referenced-Masters Library with the Library on an internal drive and the Masters referenced on external drives and the Library will no longer grow ridiculously large. IMO discarding image data via JPEG compression just to save hard drive space is inappropriate in 2011.
HTH
-Allen Wicks

I can no longer edit images on external drive if logged in as another user even with permission.

I have two users on my computer. Me (admin) and another log-in for assistants, clients etc.
I use an external drive to hold images.
Lately I've had a problem where if I'm logged in as Other (this side for everyone else), I often am not able to edit images even though the permissions are set for this log-in to have complete read/write capabilities?
Even sometimes when I'm logged in regularly (my admin side) I have received a "File Reservation" error. It says the file is being used by another user. ????
Then it asks if I want to use Read-Only and do I want to be notified when the file becomes available. ????
What's happened to my files?

Similar problem here. My Ical refuses to edit or delete events. Viewing is possible, though sometimes the whole screen turns grey. Adding new events from mail is still possible. The task-pane completely disappeared. My local apple technic-centre messed about with disk utility for a bit and than told me to reinstall leopard. I could of course do that, but it seems to me that reinstalling Leopard just to fix iCal events is a bit invasive.
I tried also tried removing everything, installing a new copy of iCal from the leopard-cd, software updates, all to no avail.
At the moment I'm open to all suggestions that do not include a complete leopard reinstall.

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