Kernel panic after "Erase Free Space" No end in sight

I did an "Erase Free Space" in disc utility. After seeing it through to about 90% complete, I went to bed. When I got up in the morning my fan was whirring away and I couldn't wake up the computer, so, using the power button, I shut it down, then turned it back on. Now I can't get into OS X (I see the message "You need to restart your computer..."), I can't boot from CD, and I can't boot in safe mode. All I can do is run the hardware test (after booting while holding "option" key), which tells me everything is fine. My only theory is that my hard disc was locked during the erase free space operation and since I have been unable to properly reboot the system, it can't be unlocked in order to boot from CD or open OX X. Any thoughts? I've been without my mac for a week now and am growing increasingly desperate. Thanks.
iMac G5 (with iSight) Power PC 2.1 GHz   Mac OS X (10.4.8)  

..."When I erased free space, instead of writing zeros to the free space, it essentiall wrote ones [...] I can start up in single-user mode and am contemplating formatting the drive and reinstalling OS X, if I can't just erase induvidual files."...
How exactly did you figure this out - what exactly are you seeing with respect to "individual files"? I thought the procedure with erasing free space used by OS X was basically to fill the free space with a big file, and securely deleting that file, but things may have changed. Your reference to writing ones and individual files is giving me an impression of many small files instead of a single large one - i.e. something that is different from what I would have expected.
I would have suggested looking for a file called EFTFile1.sparseimage or EFTfile2, or something like that while booted in single-user mode. It would have been in your user's "~/Library/Caches/TemporaryItems" folder, or in "/private/var/root/Library/Caches/TemporaryItems" and been as large as the free space was before starting the procedure. It should have been deleted automatically if the process had succeeded but if the process was interrupted, it would have been left on the drive taking up all of the space. Normally, you should be able to 'rm' it manually after mounting the drive as writable (with the usual warnings about executing commands in single-user mode), but since the situation may be different in this case, I don't know if this suggestion applies...

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