Keyframing filters in FCP

Thanks for the replies everyone to my earlier post re: FCP/AE workflow. I see that I will need 3rd-party support in order to realize the benefit of a Final Cut Pro/After Effects workflow. Have another question. What are the kinds of filters that you can keyframe in FCP but not in FCE? And are there many filters in FCP that are not included w/ FCE? As I deal mainly w/ animation as opposed to footage of live video I am trying to justify the investment in Final Cut Studio 2 in terms of it being a benefit to me as an animator. I currently use FCE 3.5 (which includes versions of SoundTrack and LiveType) and After Effects CS3 plus other graphics programs. I would love to be able to work within DVD Studio Pro as iDVD is so limiting as an authoring program but am not sure how much I will benefit from the standpoint of what I do by switching from FCE to FCP. This is what I am trying to nail down.

I'm betting many (most) FCP users have never opened a copy of Final Cut Express and so wouldn't be able to tell you the difference in the effects/keyframe handling even if there was any ... I'm one of those users for the most part (at least, its been a very long time since I last saw FCE in action and its changed a lot since way back then) but I'll hazard a guess that barring a very few exceptions, like FCP's 3-way color corrector vs FCE's 2-way color corrector, then there is little to no difference whatsoever.
The real difference between FCE and FCP these days is less about effects and how they are handled and more about pro workflow features like timecode display, batch capture, multicam editing and media management tools, and most significantly, FCP's wide ranging camera native and intermediate format support.
If you work in stop motion animation then you can maybe sell yourself on the idea of working with a better higher quality HD or SD intermediate format such as ProRes instead of the limited codec choice offered by FCE.

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I'm using Final Cut Express HD.
This screenshot is driving me mad:
http://images.apple.com/finalcutexpress/features/images/keyframe_hero.jpg
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGgggg....
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I see that I will need some 3rd-party support in order to realize the benefit of a Final Cut Pro/After Effects workflow. Have another question. What are the kinds of filters that you can keyframe in FCP but not in FCE? And are there many filters in FCP that are not included w/ FCE? As I deal mainly w/ animation as opposed to footage of live video I am trying to justify the investment in Final Cut Studio 2 in terms of it being a benefit to me as an animator. I currently use FCE 3.5 (which includes versions of SoundTrack and LiveType) and After Effects CS3 plus other graphics programs. I would love to be able to work within DVD Studio Pro as iDVD is so limiting as an authoring program but am not sure how much I will benefit from switching from FCE to FCP. This is what I am trying to nail down.

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