Keynote Bug: Object colors changing when opened on different machines
I'm collaborating on a series of presentations with two other people all using Keynote 3.0.1 and we have discovered that the colors of imported graphics are changing (slightly) when we send files to each other. The same files remain normal on the machine that created them, but once that file is sent to another machine (via ichat, either archived or not), small color shifts appear within imported graphics.
This makes matching an imported graphic to a background color a real pain as you can imagine. The shift is measurable with the color palette and is repeatable and consistent.
Has anyone witnessed this?
-joey wilson
Powermac G5 Quad Mac OS X (10.4.7)
I used to. Are you using CMYK graphics? I think the problem's with the color space. Try using RGB graphics and see if that helps any.
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That's it - most of the rest (the tests done) provides unreliable information, sorry. I'm aware that to most of them you were forced by others, so don't take my following statements to personal.
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I'm confused which photos you viewed of mine that you found to be untagged?
all the images you presented in threads in here are untagged ;-)
Some might think different about that, but IMHO images always should have an embedded profile, even sRGB JPEGs used for web. You already get some hints on that in the other thread and the links to Ballard - even when his webdesign is a bit odd, its worth reading.
I believe your issue is a combination of untagged images, a faulty monitor profile and maybe false handling.
As implied above, personaly I can't trust any of the tests here, because they are (including the browser test I mentioned) not consistant done - I will tell you why.
What you see next are three of the images you provided here, but stacked:
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here the second * indicates, that the image was altered (either bei assigning a colorspace or bei normal editing) after it was loaded and in a colorspace which is different from Photoshops working colorspace, which is indicated by the first *
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indicates images colorspace is different from Photoshops working colorspace - that's fine when the working space is aRGB and the image f.e. sRGB
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no *, no # in here indicates it is in Photoshops working colorspace.
(RGB/8#) at the top would mean it is untagged, but when when colormanagement was OFF in that moment, it also would read as (RGB/8) or (RGB/16) (without an # or *) at the top, but "untagged" in the info panel at the bottom, even when the image has an embedded profile...
On the otherhand - and this is the important part - the Photoshop (import) settings you provided here, tells that your PS is at "preserve embedded profiles" BUT "ask when opening" at profile mismatches. By this you will be asked whenever an image profile mismatches the working colorspace.
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So what have you been doing, when you were asked for image #1 and #2? With this settings and since their colorprofiles are different from PS working space, you must have been asked and have assigned a profile different from working space or you haven't been asked (because images colorspace and the working space was the same) and you assigned a different profile initially later.
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When you say you see images as untagged in Bridge but in Photoshops info panel as "Adobe RGB (1998)" this can be, when a profile was added (assigned) after the image was imported to PS. Bridge will not know about that until you save the image.
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Do we see a sRGB under an aRGB working space (RGB/8*) for #2? And #3, is this an aRGB image under an aRGB working space or a sRGB image under sRGB, (both would appear as RGB/8)? Or was the image untagged and colormanagement was off?
Seems a bit chaotic, sorry.
At least this is nothing on which I'ld be able to tell for sure what is going on.
Next: the monitor profile you sent to me, turns my U2410 dark and too much purple/reddish.
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#1 (RGB/8*)*
was edited - wasn't able to mark the wrong part by formating it <s>"striked"</s>, so I removed and corrected it -
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9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x99dca0de thread_start + 34
Thread 10:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x99dc2412 __workq_kernreturn + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x99dc29a8 _pthread_wqthread + 941
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x99dc25c6 start_wqthread + 30
Thread 11: JavaScriptCore: FastMalloc scavenger
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x99dcaaa2 __semwait_signal + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x99dca75e _pthread_cond_wait + 1191
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x99dcc3f8 pthread_cond_wait$UNIX2003 + 73
3 WebKit.dylib 0x195098c3 WebKitGetAPI + 1401461
4 WebKit.dylib 0x19509931 WebKitGetAPI + 1401571
5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x99dca259 _pthread_start + 345
6 libSystem.B.dylib 0x99dca0de thread_start + 34
Thread 12:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x99d9cafa mach_msg_trap + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x99d9d267 mach_msg + 68
2 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92ff32df __CFRunLoopRun + 2079
3 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92ff23c4 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 452
4 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x92ff21f1 CFRunLoopRunInMode + 97
5 com.apple.Foundation 0x95ba8224 +[NSURLConnection(NSURLConnectionReallyInternal) _resourceLoadLoop:] + 329
6 com.apple.Foundation 0x95b6f4c4 -[NSThread main] + 45
7 com.apple.Foundation 0x95b6f474 __NSThread__main__ + 1499
8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x99dca259 _pthread_start + 345
9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x99dca0de thread_start + 34
Thread 13: com.apple.CFSocket.private
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x99dbbac6 select$DARWIN_EXTSN + 10
1 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x93032c53 __CFSocketManager + 1091
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x99dca259 _pthread_start + 345
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x99dca0de thread_start + 34
Thread 14:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x99dc2412 __workq_kernreturn + 10
1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x99dc29a8 _pthread_wqthread + 941
2 libSystem.B.dylib 0x99dc25c6 start_wqthread + 30
Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
eax: 0x00000104 ebx: 0x02f0c560 ecx: 0x00000006 edx: 0x00000007
edi: 0x00000004 esi: 0x00000004 ebp: 0xbfffdd68 esp: 0xbfffdd20
ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00210287 eip: 0x02ebb90f cs: 0x00000017
ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x00000000 gs: 0x00000037
cr2: 0x00000004
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Colors change when saving to PDF from InDesign
I admittedly don't understand color handling, no matter how much I seem to read about it. Lately my files that I've been exporting to PDF from Indesign have looked slightly different and odd to me once they're converted to PDF. Sometimes the colors are dull, sometimes the drop shadows are a weird grey... Here's the latest example. Perhaps someone has some wisdom for me here...
I created this poster in Illustrator. Here's how it looks in Illustrator:
Then I went into Indesign and linked the file. (this is strange...) When I display the file with "typical display", it displays as such:
That looks pretty good... But when I set the display to "high quality display", I get this:
This is also the result I get when I open the exported file in Adobe Acrobat Pro. Why the color change?
Any ideas?
Thanks!Thanks, Will...
So, upon investigating, I realized that my color space in Illustrator was RGB... Damn... I must have overlooked that... When I convert (in Illustrator) to CMYK, I get those strange colors again.
When I export to PDF, the Output is "no color conversion", so it's not being converted to CMYK yet...
Plus, I just linked the AI files in Indesign when I placed them in there.
So, Indesign must be converting the file to CMYK? And that's why the colors change once I convert to PDF? What do you think?
Also, I used InDesign to place the files so that I could create a 2-page pdf easily that the printer could work with. I had a 4-up handbills page in there that I was planning on printing as well.
So, if this looks best in RGB, what do you think about me sending an RGB file to the printer and then printing it that way? I've been told that RGB is no good for printing, but I've also read otherwise as well...
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Using Lr4.1 on PC w/ win7pro laptop with external NEC multisync mmonitor-calibrated, I've taken Raws made LR adjustments, then imported 3-10 images into photoshop layers for masking, merges, few if any color changes. Then save as all layers as a psd, then flatten the psd and save as a tiff. When I open in LR for any other minor tweaks, sharpening, dust spots, and do an export into SRGB or Adobe rgb, the colors are terrible. Look nothing like what I see in LR. I've heard people have minimal issues, but I am having major changes, many times the collors will become dull and flat or very saturated when viewed. As an architectural photographer I need these colors close to what I took. If I edit in CR into PS I don't have this problem. I assume its related to the prophoto RGB color changing, but I really don't know what's going on with the color space. The color will appear different from my laptop monitor to the NEC by a lot which I understand a pro monitor will show more colors, but the color space shift is making a lot of work done in LR useless if I have to redo it all in CR. How can I get LR to export the colors I see in LR into a srgb jpg and Adobe tiff?
ThanksLots of steps here:
"Using Lr4.1 on PC w/ win7pro laptop with external NEC multisync mmonitor-calibrated, I've taken Raws made LR adjustments, then imported 3-10 images into photoshop layers for masking, merges, few if any color changes."
How do you get them into PS? What do you mean by "imported 3-10 images into photoshop"? Do you mean you use "Edit in.." from LR, and choose "Open as layers in Photoshop..."?
"Then save as all layers as a psd, then flatten the psd and save as a tiff."
How does it look in PS?
"When I open in LR for any other minor tweaks, sharpening, dust spots"
How do you open in LR? The normal process, after "Edit in..." is that you save in PS, and the image is automatically stacked in LR against the original (or one of the originals, if you open several by "Open as layers in Photoshop..."). How does it look now?
"and do an export into SRGB or Adobe rgb, the colors are terrible. Look nothing like what I see in LR."
Only now they look terrible? They looked OK in LR originally, OK in PS, OK when back in LR, but when you export they look bad - is that right? And as Victoria says, how are you viewing the exported images?
"I assume its related to the prophoto RGB color changing, but I really don't know what's going on with the color space."
It certainly shouldn't be due to colour space changing. The whole point of colour management is that it deals with this.
Final points: you say your monitor is calibrated. You do mean calibrated and profiled with a hardware instrument (Spyder, Colormunki etc)?
And, color settings in Photoshop, they should look something like this:
Choice of working space should be ProPhoto RGB, Adobe RGB or sRGB, but not a monitor or printer profile. Policies should all be "Preserve" and I recommend all the "Ask When" boxed be checked (so you are warned of mismatches).
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