Keyword list is truncated about 1/2 way through alphabet

My keyword list (LR 3.4.1) in the Library is truncated about 1/2 through it. I can only see into the P section of the alphabet. My keyword list is flat, not hierarchical.. From what I read this is either a feature OR a BUG since at least version 1.x.
Is there a solution to this BUG yet? If so what?

Lightroom has a limitation of showing only something like 1603 keywords in the keywords list. Appearantly this is a Windows limitation, or a lack of LR dealing with a Windows limitation.
If you see something like 1603 keywords, this is what your problem is. As a workaround, I suggest a very simple alphabetical hierarchy. Create a keyword called "A". Then select all the keywords that start with A and drag them into the new A keyword. Repeat for B-Z. Then double-click each of the letter keywords, and uncheck "Include on Export".
Beat Gossweiler
Switzerland
Message was edited by: b_gossweiler
Changed 163 by 1603 (typo)

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Alternatively - if I could export a keyword list from Photoshop Elements (in txt or XML format, whatever) is there a way that I can import that into Aperture?
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Not at all, ask away (you may not always like the answer )

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