Keyword tags issue

Hi. I've asked a similar question already but I don't think I was specific. So here's the problem. When I import keyword tags identifiying the people in my photos such as: L-R Zander, Bob and Andrea... the keyword tags are then imported alphabetically such as L-R: Andrea, Bob and Zander. I do not want it this way as it identifies the persons in the photos incorrectly. Any ideas how to fix this? Thanks alot.

If you mean you want to see the tags ordered according to the location of each person in your photo, left to right for instance, you understand you'll have to find a way to enter the visual order somewhere...
But tags were never meant to have any order, the correct way to document your pictures is to use either captions or notes.

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Currently have 30K pics on PC Win. 7 laptop using PSE 8, corrected issues and did full backup on portable hard drive plus saved (Extensive) Keyword tags to file. Installed PSE 13 on PC Win 8.1 laptop. Will attach same portable Hard drive to new laptop.

Currently have 30K pics on PC Win. 7 laptop using PSE 8, corrected issues and did full backup on portable hard drive plus saved (Extensive) Keyword tags to file. Installed PSE 13 on PC Win 8.1 laptop. Will attach same portable Hard drive to new laptop. How do I import prev Keyword Tags from file and Restore catalog from port. HD to new PC and in what order? I have not opened PSE 13 on new PC yet. Would like to do it right the first time!

No importing needed.
See these instructions: Use Backup, Restore to move catalog | Organizer | Elements 6 or later

Copy File From One Drive to Another & Missing Keyword Tags

Hi,
I use LR 2.7. I want to copy one file from one drive to another drive with the same file name. I thought you could drag the file, but it doesn't copy over the file in the other drive, can you explain what I have to do?
Also, I tried to import the folder into another drive, but it doesn't copy the keyword tags. Is there a way to do this?
Thanks
Barb

Hey Barb,
Well, if you use the Year/Month/Day/pictures_here format, none of the folders contains a massive amount of folders. It's not the number of folders that generates problems, it's having them all in _one_ folder that creates slow-down issues. Imagine if you had a deck of cards; look for one card... you have to go through all 52 cards to find it. But, if you broke it down into the 4 groups, you only have to go through 13, which is lots faster. Now imagine going through 15000 instead of 52...
Look at the way lightroom can automatically import by date; it has several preset formats. If you pick one of those, then when you import new photos, it will automatically create any missing ones, and you have lots less to do.
Depending on how much work you have already done, you might consider making a new catalog and just importing all of your photos again, and let it create everything quickly for you.
You could save all of your "edit" changes by writing out all of the xmp files first. But with 15000 files in one directory, this will double it to 30000 (one per image!), but will preserve all of your edits if you choose to make a new catalog approach.
As for combing catalogs, once you have one catalog the way you want it, you can select "import from catalog" and it will suck it into a new one, thus combining the catalogs. The only problem I can see is that it will import it in the format you already have it, so you have to organize it manually before you import it. Otherwise, you'll get your old format and your new format in the one catalog (but can then move pictures around if you need to).
Personally, I'd go the 'write xmp files, create new catalog' approach. Then just recreate my collections, etc.
But either way you do it, it will take some time processing, as that's a lot of files to start with!
Ciao!
Jason

Photoshop Elements 9.0 Oganizer loses list of Keyword tags

I use Windows 7 and I have had this problem in both PSE 8.0 and 9.0. If I have the Organizer open for any amount of time, the list of my Keyword Tags on the right disappears. I either have to Optimize the Catalog or close and reopen the program. Why is this happening, and how do I fix it? Thanks for your help.

Ok. in that case this is just a refresh issue. When you access Organizer through remote connection, tags and album pane looks blank but these gets populated on relaunch.

Keyword Tags in PSE11

I have a problem with the keyword tags in PSE11.
Problem Statement:
When a keyword tag is selected, the resulting subset of photos includes images that are not tagged with the selected keyword. The non-matched items that are displayed all have a distinguishing symbol – a non-match icon
However this behaviour is inconsistent. There are many other non match photos that are completely suppressed, so why are these ones being displayed with a ‘non-match’ icon?
Steps Taken:
I have tried repairing the catalog. The system tells me there are no inconsistencies but I use the ‘repair anyway’ option to force a repair. This has no effect.
Through the help system I discovered this document:
http://helpx.adobe.com/crx/kb/HowToCheckLuceneIndex.html
This document contains instructions on how to delete the index files to force the system to rebuild them. Unfortunately none of the files and path names specified in the instructions exist on my system so this is a non-starter. Q. Does the process differ for my version (PSE 11)?
I am flummoxed as to what is going on and would appreciate some help please. TIA

I'm just off fo bed as I am in the UK. I guess you're US maybe West Coast? Let's figure out a time to discuss. 08:00 your time is 4 pm mine if you're on Pacific time.
I'd be delighted if it was a usage error. Let's ne direct and say user error! Because that would be the easiest thing to resolve. But I still remain unconvonced because I am seeing different behaviour between Picasa and PSE. In a further attenpt to solve this issue today PSE 11 I wrote the metadata out to the files to see if that would make any difference to PSE. It did not. And then I let Picasa read that data to see if it did there, and it did not.
I just opened the file info about one of the non match photos that appears when the tag is selected, The same tags appear in the IPTC info as appear on the bottom right corner of the individual phto in the PSE views, and NONE of them isthe major tag that I selected as a filter. Ergo the inclusion must be because of something inherent in the Catalog wouldn't you say? Something related to the data that PSE holds outside the EXIF data. The same filter applied in Picasa does not include these non match images - which would seem to confoirm that it is PSE11-side that teh issue is occuring.
To be clear, I do NOT have the option switched on to show non-match results and I have even toggled that on and off to see if it would make a difference.
What is perfectly possible, altough I cannot say for sure that it applies in this case, is that at some stage the files DID carry the tag on which I was filtering but that I removed it. I can't recall doing so specifically, but often when a batch rage contains a vase majority to which a tag applies, I will tage the lot then untag the ones to which the overall tag does not apply. Thts's sometimes quicker than delecting teh non compliant items. Could there be an artifact?

PSE 9 Organizer Error Adding Keyword Tags and Other Woes

Hello, everyone. I am having a ton of problems with PSE 9 Organizer. The most frustrating and biggest problem is that I believe my catalog has been corrupted beyond repair. I spent all of yesterday tagging my photos. I had no problems and everything seemed to be going well until all of the sudden, the organizer suddenly froze up. I had to use the Windows task manager just to get it to close. This happened several times. Finally, the organizer locked up my computer and I had to restart. I opened the catalog and didn't seem to have any problems at that point. I was able to view all of the images, video files etc. I was even able to open the editor from the organizer. When I tried to add a tag to a photo it gave me an error. All it said was "error adding keyword tag" then nothing. I tried to delete the photo and all it said was "error deleting photo". This "error" shows up any time I try to make any changes to all of the images. I can't add any new photos, can't delete, or add tags. I have repaired the catalog several times. It found errors the first time, but evidently that didn't fix my problem. I also optimized and deleted my thumbnail cache to see if that was the issue. Still nothing. I have other catalogs and they work fine, so it is something to do with this particular catalog. Any suggestions on what to do next? Can I move the pictures to a new catalog without losing the tags? And no, I didn't write the tags to the images because I wasn't done tagging. Besides, PSE doesn't always write the tags correctly, as you probably know. Next problem. When I first open PSE and select the organizer, it doesn't alway open. I can see it on my taskbar (Windows 7 64 bit), but I can't get the window to maximize. I have to close and open several times to get the window to open. Sometimes it randomly jumps to my second monitor like it can't decide where to go. Very frustrating. I would appreciate any suggestions about what to do. Thanks.

Back to the original question, after thinking about this for a couple days I have had two ideas for workarounds:
1) Copy my tag names into the photo metadata and create a new catalog to bring all of my images into. This will allow me to keep all of my existing tags, and it MIGHT solve the tag display problem based on a test with a couple images in a new catalog. The downsides to this are a) permanently writes my tags into the photo metadata which will be bad if I decide to change something later, b) loses all version sets, and c) loses all albums (although I don't have that many). I found instructions for this workaround at http://www.johnrellis.com/psedbtool/photoshop-elements-faq.htm#_Merging_Catalogs.
2) Live with the lack of color tag display in Organizer, and use reverse searches to find missing tag categories. For example, if I want to find all photos that do not have a "Places" tag, I check the box next to the "Places" category (which also selects all sub-categories and tags below this). Then I go to the Options drop-down in the Find Bar and "Hide best match results" and "Show results that do not match". This gives me every image in my catalog that does not have a tag from the "Places" category, so I can go through and tag these as appropriate.
I would have gone with #1 if it weren't for the permanence of the keywords. I guess I have a commitment problem (or I just haven't got my tag hierarchy figured out yet). Instead, I am going with #2 which should give me most of what I need for now. I will still hold out some small glimmer of hope that Adobe manages a fix for this issue down the road.

Keyword tag file for export

Is there a keyword tag file I can export to use in Lightroom?
Thanks, Doug Smith

I tried that
What did you try?
PE only gives me the option of writing an .xml file
I already explained there are several ways to go here, and so I can't understand why you feel the only option is writing an .xml file (which, by the way, is not one I am familiar with)
It's like the fact that LR won't recognize my 6,000+ .png files,
It's like the fact? Oh.
Lightroom does not recognize .png files. They cannot be imported into Lightroom. You need to convert them to .jpg or .tif or .psd if you want them to be indexed in Lightroom. Which of course is a different issue than the one I thought we were addressing.

PSE 9 Organizer Keyword tags

I have just upgraded from PSE8 to 9.
In the organizer I cannot display the keyword tag icons beneath individual images.
I tried Edit Preferences Keyword Tag and Albums - Keyword Tag display - and chose the display with the photo icon. This changes the display in the Keyword Tag listing box but not beneath the individual images. The tags are all being displayed the same and the only way to distinguish them is by running the mouse over them. Is there a way of getting the PSE8 type of display?

Back to the original question, after thinking about this for a couple days I have had two ideas for workarounds:
1) Copy my tag names into the photo metadata and create a new catalog to bring all of my images into. This will allow me to keep all of my existing tags, and it MIGHT solve the tag display problem based on a test with a couple images in a new catalog. The downsides to this are a) permanently writes my tags into the photo metadata which will be bad if I decide to change something later, b) loses all version sets, and c) loses all albums (although I don't have that many). I found instructions for this workaround at http://www.johnrellis.com/psedbtool/photoshop-elements-faq.htm#_Merging_Catalogs.
2) Live with the lack of color tag display in Organizer, and use reverse searches to find missing tag categories. For example, if I want to find all photos that do not have a "Places" tag, I check the box next to the "Places" category (which also selects all sub-categories and tags below this). Then I go to the Options drop-down in the Find Bar and "Hide best match results" and "Show results that do not match". This gives me every image in my catalog that does not have a tag from the "Places" category, so I can go through and tag these as appropriate.
I would have gone with #1 if it weren't for the permanence of the keywords. I guess I have a commitment problem (or I just haven't got my tag hierarchy figured out yet). Instead, I am going with #2 which should give me most of what I need for now. I will still hold out some small glimmer of hope that Adobe manages a fix for this issue down the road.

Elements Organiser 10 in Windows 8 Lost the 'Imported Keyword Tag'

Using Classroom in a book (Elements 10) with Windows 8, I seem to have lost the 'Imported Keyword Tags' in the Keyword Tags Panel whilst struggling in Lesson 2, whilst trying to make sense of the Organiser,

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I have a similar situation. In upgrading from Elements 7 to 11 all my keyword tags are lost; both in the keyword panel and the tags on each of my imported pictures. I didn't install the Elements 11 I had a tech do it when I took my computer in for other issues, so I'm not sure of any of the specific steps taken when this was done. Any way to get these back short of "tagging" each picture again?
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Private keyword tags with synonyms exported?

With Lightroom 3.4.1, is there a known issue with private keyword tags being exported? I have some tags that have "Include on Export" unchecked, and I never check "Write Keywords as Lightroom Hierarchy." Even so, I've seen them in the exported files. It seems to be ones that have Synonyms.

An asterisk in that view means that you have multiple images selected, and that keyword (or synonym) is defined only for some of them.
If it is synonyms that are being exported, it is because the keyword settings say to suppress exported the keyword, but to export the synonym. There are checkboxes that control this, though two of them are sub checkboxes only available when the first is enabled.
Note that first-class non-synonym keywords that happen to match a synonym defined in another keyword are unrelated.

Keyword tags did not transfer from PSE when I installed PSE 11. What can I do?

I installed PSE 11 and converted pictures from PSE 6 as instructed, but the keyword tags did not transfer. What can I do to get the tags?

Yes, that's the right way. See if anything here helps any:
http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop-elements/kb/common-catalog-issues-upgrade-elements.html

Keyword tags text box poorly designed, crashes PSE 8

I was very interested to see that PSE 8 allows you to enter keyword tags using a text box, as other programs do, promising much faster tagging with large sets of tags. But the feature has serious bugs rendering it unusable.
After trying the keyword-tags text box for less than a minute on my large catalog with 426 tags, PSE 8 crashed.    Even with a fresh catalog and the default tag categories, it will crash after using the text box about 40 times.   (See below for a recipe.)
Another bug concerns tags with commas in them, e.g. "Truckee, CA" (I have a couple hundred such Place tags). If you type "Tru" in the text box, select the tag with the mouse, and hit enter, PSE 8 will create two new tags, Truckee and CA, in the Other category, and apply them to the photo.
A design misfeature: After you select and apply a tag with the text box, it loses the keyboard focus. So to select another tag for the same photo, you have to move your hand to the mouse and click in the text box again. Partially defeats the whole purpose.
Recipe for reproducing the bug:
1. Create a new catalog.
2. Import 50 photos.
3. Select the next photo.
4. In the keyword tag text box, type "p" and then enter.
5. Go to step 3.
On the 40th or 41st photo, my PSE 8 reliably crashes (Vista 32, 4 GB of memory).   If after step 1 you use the Keyword Tags > + > From File command to load a tag heirarchy of 210 tags (see the attached file), it will crash after just 9 photos.   And with 426 tags, it crashes after 5 photos.
Interestingly, on my Vista 64 system (unsupported by Adobe, 8 core x 2.7 GHz), PSE 8 doesn't crash, but the text box gets unusably slow very quickly. WIth 210 keyword tags in the catalog, it soon takes about 12 seconds to find a tag after you type a unique prefix.   That time gradually gets longer the more you use the text box. With 426 tags, it takes almost 20 seconds to apply a tag using the text box.
On both systems, it's clear what the nature of the bug is: Each time you use the text box, the process's memory grows by many megabytes. I believe my Vista 64 system doesn't crash (at least not immediately) because it provides 3.5 GB of memory for use by PSE 8, while Vista 32 only provides about 1.5 GB.
I'm getting a sinking feelilng...

Is the white triangle to the left of "Keyword Tags" pointing down or pointing to the right? See this screen shot:
Click on the white triangle -- does that make a difference?
If not, try deleting the Organizer's preferences:
http://www.johnrellis.com/psedbtool/photoshop-elements-faq.htm#Delete_the_Organizers_prefe rences

Keyword Tags Won't Delete

I am using Lightroom 1.4.1 on a Vista platform. When I delete keyword tags they disappear temporarily, only to reappear later. I have tried the Purge Unused Keywords function and I have tried to right click the keyword and select Delete. In all cases they seem to be deleted, but reappear later. I have removed the keywords in question from any photos they were applied to, so all the keywords that I'm trying to delete show 0 images. Here is a sample of the keywords: <component; <place; <worklist. Could the "<" sign in the keyword name be the problem? I have tried to rename the keywords, thus removing the "<" from the name, but they still keep coming back. Some more info which may be important in resolving this. These keyword names appear to have been created by Lightroom itself of Photoshop CS3 (V10.0). I originally had keywords enclosed in brackets, eg <place>. When I edited the images with the Develop module and Photoshop, once I returned to the Library module the edited image would have the system created keyword, eg <place (without the closing bracket). In other words I now had two keywords for the same thing: <place> and <place.

Tried the throw away top level key word idea as you suggested, but it didn't resolve the problem. I also deleted the 'dud' keywords from Bridge and Windows Photo Gallery and then went back to Lr and tried the suggestion again. It still didn't work. There are 3 dud keywords that keep reappearing in Windows Photo Gallery, despite having been deleted. It's amazing how all but three seem to have gone for good from Windows Photo Gallery. What makes the three persistent ones special, I have no idea.
What's puzzling is that once I've deleted the dud keywords and then export my keywords to a text file, the text file is 'clean'; like they've gone from Lr. However, when they reappear and I export my keywords again to a text file, they show up in the text file.
It like they're hiding away in the image files or some database in such a way that I can't access them and when I edit or rename a 'good' keyword it causes Lr to re-read the image file or database and import the keywords. This, despite that fact that none of the dud keywords show up in the metadata for any of my images as displayed by Lr; eg in the Keywording panel on the right. They also no longer show up in Bridge or Windows Photo Gallery (except for 3). Furthermore, all the dud keywords show '0' for the number of images they're assigned to.
By the way, I've also tried the Purge Unused Keywords function to no avail.

A question about keyword tags

Is it possible in settings... or somewhere, to set it so that when you open (PrE9's) organizer instead of starting with keyword hierarchy list - it could open on keyword cloud view? I am not so keen on the hierrarchy method...
Thanks.
brush

I did some experimenting in the Elements 9 Organizer.
1-- yes, when you close the Organizer then it does always seem to come up next time with the Thumbnail grid AND the Tags panel on the right is set to Hierarchy view. Then you must click on the icon for Cloud view.
2-- my conclusion is that if I click on the Cloud icon after starting the Organizer, then it was staying as Cloud in the Keyword Tags panel to the right of the Thumbnails for the duration that the Organizer is open.
3-- Note that if you use Full Screen for viewing your photos, then for the "Quick Organize" panel that drags out from the left side of the screen near the bottom, the default for Keyword Tags is Cloud. This is a different method of working which you may or may not like: however since it does set Cloud I decided to mention it.
FYI - to get to Full Screen you can use the pull down menu for the Display icon (that is next to the House icon on the top bar of the main Organizer screen). Choose the option "View, Edit, Organize in Full Screen". FYI - I usually select the thumbnails of the photos which I want to Organize before I go in to Full Screen.

Use of Keyword tags in shared photo files

Let's suppose, first off, that I have assigned person keyword tags to most of the photos in my catalog. Let us also suppose that I have explicitly written those tags to the photo files. Now, I would like to be able to share both the files and the keyword tags with family and friends so that they too can easily access files taken in a specific location or including a specific person. Short of buying a copy of PSE 9 for each (an act of generosity I can not afford), how do I share the information about these photos in a way that is accessible to someone not dedicated to, say, writing XSL code or something equally elaborately mind boggling?
I am running Adobe Photoshop Elements 9 on an iMac running OS X 10.65

OK, I'm a certified idot! I found the tag button, and all of the tags are there, Admittedly without spaces, but they work nicely.
Again, Thanks

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