Keyword vs Keyword group

I am suddenly confused by something that is probably obvious. Does a keyword group get applied as searchable metadata when applying a keyword from that particular keyword group.
For example... I have a keyword group called "People", and within that group I have a keyword group called "Our Family", and within that group I have a keyword called "Zachary". The question is when I assign the keyword "Zachary" can I later search by the keyword group "Our Family"? I do not see that keyword appear in the search box. Do I also have to attach the keyword group "Our Family" to the photo as well? I would think that any Keyword group would automatically be assigned.
Thanks for any clarification on this topic,
Kevin

One clarification here -- the hierarchy is not purely organizational in the HUD. Higher-level keywords (that have other keywords nested below) are not directly assigned to the photo and will not be exported in metadata, but they are searchable. If no photos have the upper-level keyword assigned to them, the checkbox for that keyword won't appear in the search HUD, but there is a workaround in the second article below.
In other words, in your situation, when you assign Zachary to a photo, you can later search for "Our Family" and all of the Zachary photos will appear (along with any other "Our Family" keywords), even without directly assigning "Our Family" to them.
Check out these two informative articles:
http://homepage.mac.com/bagelturf/aparticles/metadata/key/key.html
http://homepage.mac.com/bagelturf/aparticles/metadata/keyhigh/keyhigh.html
and/or Apple video number 4 on this page:
http://www.apple.com/aperture/resources/tutorial/
Hope that helps!
--Scott

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etmarcr wrote:
I didn't think about..
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I kind of have a lack of knowledge about keyword hierarchies already installed and being used. This question is going to be less than together.
I will have imported all my photos into Lightroom already. Their associated keywords should be in the Keyword Panel. (I have not done this yet.)
The bulk of the imported will have been keyworded in Nikon View 6.0.0. (I had no flat keyword list or hierarchical keyword list already in Nikon View.) I keyworded these photos into Nikon View's IPTC from looking at a independent paper list. The rest of the recent photos imported will have been keyworded inside Lightroom and/or keyworded from Nikon View NX2 and imported. [I haven't decided yet which one I will keyword from, Lightroom or NX2...unless you have a suggestion.]
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'The trouble with hierarchical keywords is they always end up with child keywords somehow re-appearing at the top level. It can happen when they re-import a picture that's been processed in another app. Or when a group of child keywords becomes duplicated in more than one part of the hierarchy. Usually because they have changed the hierarchy at some point and imported an older file. Or they changed the hierarchy on a laptop and then brought files over to the main PC. Something always upsets the logical structure they have put into place. So rather than continue with this problem, they have gone back to a flat list in Lightroom.'
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In my opinion, someone has written something that implies a terrible thing has happened (duplicate keywords), when in fact duplicate keywords can be avoided by maintaining a structured workflow; then if a duplicate keyword does appear (because you didn't maintain the structured workflow, or like most people, you just plain made a mistake), this isn't a terrible thing; in fact, this is something that might take 20 seconds to fix in Lightroom.
The structured workflow I am thinking of is the following: if you have keywords added by other software, import all (yes ALL) of the photos into Lightroom, and then clean up the hierarchy to be the way you want it to be. Then, there is never another instance of importing photos that already have keywords. From that point forward, do all of your keywording in Lightroom, and you will not likely get duplicate keywords.
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Panic, and never use Lightroom again
Gouge your eyes out so you can't see the problem any more
stay calm and drag the keyword to where it should be in the hierarchy
As opposed to keywords out of place, duplicate keywords also give you choices. You can use choice #1 or choice #2 to solve the problem, or you can (Choice #3) simply apply the correct keyword to the photos, and then delete the duplicate.
I'm scared now to start a hiearchy! Scared for problems it might cause in the future. I like the idea you can filter search on a whole category or subcategory. It's easier to zip down to find a keyword. Especially with 700 plus keywords. I'm scared to impliment it. Could anyone explain? Thank You So Much for any information!
Over my several years of using Lightroom, I do find that I accidentally put keywords in the wrong place. The problem is fixed, via choice #3 above, in under 20 seconds. Also, over my time using Lightroom, my photography subject matter has changed, or my organizing needs have changed, and I have re-arranged parts of my hierarchy to suit my new needs, and/or added new top level keywords or middle level keywords or bottom level keywords. It is relatively painless and simple. The biggest problem (and yes, it is a problem) is when you have to drag a keyword from the top of the hierarchy to the bottom (beyond the bottom of the screen), scrolling isn't as smooth as it should be, but it still works. This is hardly a reason to avoid hierarchical keywords.
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