Keywording Issue in Lightroom5

Ran across an issue with keywords in Lightroom 5 and wondered if anyone had some advise. When I export an image with existing keywords they showup in the file properties when I open the new image in Windows Explorer. When I re-import that new file back into Lightroom I find that none of the original keywords are visible. This had not been an issue in previous versions of Lightroom - wondering whats going on here.
Thanks for any help in advance!
Kevin

The most likely cause is that you are using a metadata preset that is inadvertantly deleting the keywords.
Let us know if we are barking up the wrong tree.
Tony Jay

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Adobe Bridge Keyword issue

I am using Photoshop CS4 along with the Adobe Bridge that downloaded with it. I installed the software on an iMac with Snow Leopard as the OS. Using the Bridge, I assigned keywords to about a thousand images in numerous folders. I used the Bridge with these keywords to search for my images and it worked just fine. Then I upgraded the OS to Lion and immediately had a significant issue with searching in Bridge. Each time I identified a keyword to search (in the Edit-Find menu), the results came back "no files found". It was by accident that I discovered that, in order for the Bridge to recognize they keywords, I had to double click and open the folder first in Bridge. Once the folder had been opend and then closed, the keywords were activated. Needless to say opening each and every folder containing images has been very time consuming.
I am considering purchasing a new iMac this summer. It will probably have the new Mountain Lion OS in it and I will purchase CS6 to install in it. I am concerned that when I transfer all of my images into the new computer, I am going to have the same Bridge issue, and will have to go through this entire "open & close each folder in Bridge" exercise again in order to search by their keywords.
Has anyone had this issue to deal with? If so, I sure would like to know how you dealt with it.

I have exported my keyword list and saved it to my desktop.
If that was the list of your old system you only have to use the option import keywords from the same menu used to export the list. This will add all your keywords from the old list to your new list. If you use clear and import the old ones will be replaced by the list of the imported keyword list (so if you are not sure also make a back up of the existing list before using 'clear and import'
I also did a search of my entire computer and that file name does not show up.
You probably use Spotlight for this and spotlight is not very good in finding files hidden in the library, try the free 'Easy Find'
I use CS4 and the file in the path you provided is: Bridge CS4 Extensions. However, there does not appear to be a Keyword file in that folder.
You are in the wrong library, the extensions are sited in the library on root level (the computer) and you have to be in the library in your user account.
I overlooked the fact that you are on Lion and that has the user library hidden by default. Do a Google search to retrieve the user library, there are easy temporarily ways and a bit more difficult to make it visible permanent
Once I go through an entire search with "include non-indexed files" checked, have all of the folders/files that have been searched through now been indexed? And does that mean that whenever I perform a search again, I no longer have to have that box checked?
If you go to the Find menu and in the source field select your parent folder that contains all your subfolders the search will go through your entire image content.
You only have to check non indexed files once but after the first search (takes long to index) the option is not taking that much time again so no objection to leave it on.

Keyword Issues

Someone help!
After upgrading to Aperture from iphoto. I seem to be getting weird issues with my keywords, in particular in association with smart albums. I have a keyword with my daughters name and when I create a smart album to show all 2000+ photos with her then all is fine, however some times there are no photos in this smart album if I query the smart albums seetings there are 3 keywords for her name (I have double checked the keyword HUD and there is only 1 keyword with her name).
This happens with various keywords in the smart albums settings.
Any suggestions

You have identically named keywords in several groups. The keywords from iPhoto are located in the "iPhoto" keyword group, in some other keyword group you have the same keyword (the keywords are not the same, but their name is).
To fix:
1) decide which is the keyword you want to keep
2) find all the images with the similarly named, but incorrect keyword
3) apply the right keyword from the right keyword group to the images
4) remove the incorrect keyword from the images
5) remove the incorrect keyword
Sounds tedious but it's surprisingly fast.

Keyword issues -- applied unexpectely, deleted unexpectedly

--- Keyword glitches -----
I've repeatedly encountered some issues with adding keywords to photos in iPhoto 11 (9.2.3).
For example, I'm pretty sure I did not apply "keyword A" to a dozen photos ... but there it is along side the correctly applied keywords.
So I select the images with the mis-applied "keyword A" and delete "keyword A" in the info panel. This works fine, one-photo-at-a-time. But I get good AND bad results when trying this over a range of photos. Often iPhoto deletes other keywords, or I find that photos that should still have three or four keywords have none. And only ONE was deleted. These are huge cataloguing problems.
I can't afford to use an application that's spurious in these ways. Corrupted iPhoto library? Perhaps. If so, that's just another reason to move on because I have less that 300 photos within, and if iPhoto can't handle that ...
And sometimes iPhoto is achingly slow, lots of beachball time.
As usual Apple's documentation is of little help.

This and the speed issue suggest a minor glitch in the Library.
Option 1
Back Up and try rebuild the library: hold down the command and option (or alt) keys while launching iPhoto. Use the resulting dialogue to rebuild. Choose to Rebuild iPhoto Library Database from automatic backup.
If that fails:
Option 2
Download iPhoto Library Manager and use its rebuild function. This will create a new library based on data in the albumdata.xml file. Not everything will be brought over - no slideshows, books or calendars, for instance - but it should get all your albums and keywords back.
Because this process creates an entirely new library and leaves your old one untouched, it is non-destructive, and if you're not happy with the results you can simply return to your old one. .
Regards
TD

Aperture keywords issues

Is it just me or are there major issues with searching by keyword?
I've just given three pictures the same keyword and when I use the filter with 'Library' selected only one of them is found. The un-found picture is in an iPhoto library - do keywords not work on managed files? if not what is the point of inputting the keywords?
A second point - how hard is it to go from aperture to lightroom? Will lightroom import the projects along with their keywords from aperture.

Lightroom will not import whole projects and you will lose all your adjustments. I believe that if you export your images with xmp files, that those file will contain the keywords, and Lightroom will bring them in. Do a test. Don't be in a big hurry blow out your Aperture libraries. Lightroom is very different from aperture, and it took me several months to figure out that I was fighting it's workflow, and it was actually costing me significant amounts of time. YMMV.

Lightroom Keyword Issue

Greetings. I'm running the 64-bit version of LR3.3 on Windows 7, but I've had this issue since before the upgrade. I have a long list of keywords. I'm finding that if I expand my keyword list keywords near the bottom third are not selectable, even though it shows how many photos are tagged with them. If I open up a metadata filter and scroll to the bottom of my keyword column I get the same results. However, if I do a find and specify a keyword that way it will bring the photos up. I haven't found anything in the forums regarding this problem. Does anybody have any suggestions?
Thanks.

It's a problem with how the list was coded in Lightroom which involved a failure to code around a limitation on the Windows platform. Lists of keywords longer than around 1600 items are truncated. I don't think you'll see a quick fix for it, but I hope it will happen in LR4.
As a workaround, put your keywords into a simple hierarchy.
John

Odd Keyword Issue

I have created keywords and applied them to images in the past. Subsequently, I have changed those keywords and had them applied to replace the old keyword. In Aperture itself, I can only find and see the new keyword. However, when I export the Master and open it in Preview, the old (as well as the new) keyword shows. If I don't want this keyword to be embedded anymore, but it is not in my keywords in Aperture, how do I make sure to remove it from the Masters?

Hi Nathan,
To answer your question, no, the old keywords were not applied before I imported the photos into Aperture. You know, come to think of it, this makes me wonder about something. The keyword that I changed was a person's name. For example, let's use Janet Smith. She then got married, so her name changed to say, Janet Jones. I changed the keyword from Janet Smith to Janet Jones and in Aperture, this is the way it looks. In fact, if I never left Aperture, nor looked at the photo's metadata in any other application, I would never even know there is an issue. However, when I export the images to my desktop and then open in Preview, I notice something extremely odd. The metadata not only reveals Janet Jones (the new and correct keyword), but Janet Smith Jones as well. Janet Smith Jones is the name the person uses for work and work contacts, but that keyword has never existed in my Aperture keyword set. It has certainly never been applied. I'm sure the name is floating around on my computer somewhere based on an email I received from her, or a Facebook setting, but aside from that... I do sync certain photos to Facebook straight from Aperture, but I can't see how that is relevant.
I know, this is weirder and weirder... Any ideas?
Mac

IPhoto 9.3 - keywords issue

I'm having an issue where keywords input to the keywords section of the info panel by manual typing immediately disappear.
When I noticed this, I attempted going to the next photo and returning which did not work.
I also, tried quitting and restarting iPhoto which results in the keywords I've typed that disappeared immediately now being visible...so it is holding the keywords, just having an issue with displaying them until an application restart.
Next, I made a duplicate of my library using the Rebuild Library command in iPhoto Library Manager 3.8...this seemed to solve the problem for all of about 5 minutes...after a few clicks, it went right back to the same issues.
Now I'm discovering different behavior after an application restart. At first, it will work properly, then will not even let me input any text (not even a character) into the keywords section of the info panel. I can still use the keyword manager to input keywords, but I much prefer to type them.
I first noticed this issue when I was inputing keywords, while accessing my Mac from another Mac using Screen Sharing.
This was also the first time I've used iPhoto since updating to 9.3, so I'm wondering if it's a 9.3 bug.
Once my latest Time Machine backup is complete I was thinking about uninstalling/reinstalling iPhoto to see how that works using the method I found here: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3716732?start=0&tstart=0
I'm very concerned about losing all the rich metadata I've input to iPhoto.
Any suggestions or ideas would be much appreciated.

I'm having the same problem, with 9.3, but had it with previous version sometimes also. Sometimes the keyword "sticks", sometimes it doesn't. Now most of the time it doesn't. Similar problem with names from time to time.

Advise appreciated for some keywording issues

I've been working on the road for a while and have several catalogues set up. The main one on my desktop iMac has many of the hierarchies set up correctly
iMac
jockeys
fred
kevin
horses
Desert Orchid
Zenyetta
etc
but I made the mistake on my laptop of not setting the hierarchies up correctly
on the laptop
kevin
fred
Bert
Sam
jockeys
horses
Desert Orchid
Zenyetta
etc
When I copied the laptop catalogue to my imac, I realised I have a problem
Desert Orchid
kevin
fred
Bert
Sam
jockeys fred
horses
Desert Orchid
Zenyetta
For example,
As Fred was already in the original catalogue and in the correct hierarchy, he's now appeared twice, as does Zenyetta, and others many others.....
I now have about 120 horses scattered across the "root" and the correctly keyword folder / category what ever and a few less of the mess of the jockey.
It is simple (hmmm) to select all the images tagged Fred in the root keyword, and then select them all and tag them with the
jockeys fred
keyword and then remove the
fred
from the root, thus correctly updating the keyword, however, its very cumbersome and so far I've wiped all the keywords from the images of 2 jockeys from my correctly keyworded keyword collection (UNGH) due to getting confused over what I was doing.....
Is there a more simple way to select and drag around keywords into new hierarchies reducing the risk of more deletions of keywords from images?
I've commented on a keyword improvement thread (link) in the new forums for suggestions etc, but that does not help me at the moment.
Any suggestions would be muchly appreciated.
Hamish
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/better_keyword_management/replies/60 07860

Hmmm.. Well, my suggestion proabably isn't the best, but...
First, fix the keyword structure on your laptop. Just drag the keywords around, you don't have to select/deslect the images. Then re-do the import, but don't include negatives. It *should* update the meta tags and update all your keywords to match what you want them to see without losing them all.
If that's not an option, then (if you don't know about this method) if you hover over the keywords in the panel to the right, you'll see a little arrow pop up on the right. Click that arrow, and it will filter all of the images based on that keyword. Then just scroll down to the correct keyword, and click on the box to the LEFT of the keyword (still on the right panel), and it will add that keyword to all those images. Then scroll back up (if necessary!) and uncheck (by clicking on the check box) of the one you don't want. Gone. Then remove the old keyword from your listing.
Cheers!

Lightroom 2.6 Keyword issues

Hello everybody,
I've got a big problem within lightroom (2.6).
In my keyword list, when i select a keyword (to see the photos with that keyword) all my photos in the catalog pops up.
For example there is a keyword with 4 photos in it. When i click it all my photos in the catalog pop up.
Then the catalog automaticly selects a random photo. The catalog was originally made in lightroom 1.1
To show what i'm talking about here a screenshot:
As you can see i selected the word Beechcraft, with 1 photo in it. As a result it shows my entire catalog.
I'm using Windows 7 (64-Bit). All together i think it's pretty odd since lightroom 1.1 did not have this problem. (unfortunatly 1.1 jams after being used for a while (even with compatible mode on XP SP2 and with run as admin enabled)
Anybody has this problem as well? And does anyone knows how to solve this problem?
Thanks in Advance,
Stefan

Thank you for your fast reply!
I'm aware of clicking on the arrow to show the pictures with that keyword.
With some it only shows the photos with that keyword, with other keywords (like on the screenshot) it shows the entire catalog.
Anybody who can help me?

Strange keyword issue

I have a problem with keywords not being recognised and not being erased, or applied.
Specifically, the word in question is 'Portrait'. In the past I used what is now referred to as a legacy IPTC field : Portrait (Image Type). I would put 'Portrait' in this field. There are two other similar fields, Portrait (Orientation) and Portrait (Photojournalism). I also have a large number of images where the word 'Portrait' was simply placed in the Keywords field.
The problem I am having is that some images are not showing up when I search for keyword : Portrait.
Also ... trying to delete the word 'Portrait' via the Menu command : Metadata/Keyword/Portrait (or Shift-Optn-2) does not work. The word stays put and the image continues to be found in the search for 'Portrait'. However, manually deleting the word works as expected.
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Maybe it's a precedence thing, you can try correct it using "(" and ")". Maybe the first search query reads like this:
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Bridge Keyword Issue

I am trying to use Bridge to apply keywords to video clips. The video is quicktime format under the ProRes codec. I used bridge to batch rename a set of files from the same shoot. The keywords will apply to somewhere around 85% of the clips, but for 15% of them I get an error message stating "The file '(file name)' cannot store XMP metadata. No changes will occur." although I can't think of any actual difference between the clips it does and does not work on. Any ideas on why it does not work at times?

but for 15% of them I get an error message stating "The file '(file name)' cannot store XMP metadata. No changes will occur." although I can't think of any actual difference between the clips it does and does not work on. Any ideas on why it does not work at times?
No experience with video myself but if this happens to only a part of the same file type then it might be due to not waiting long enough before the task has finished.
Bridge is not good in multitasking yet and if you start applying keywords to a bunch with clicking on a view keywords to add - using checkmark or creating new keywords / sub keywords- you must stop adding new words once the activity bar starts running and wait for it to finish completely. If you do not wait and start another job a part of the earlier applied keywords will not be written to the files but the new task will take over the command.
And of course it might be related to some actions you applied earlier to the same files or if the are locked (or don't have read and write permissions).

Keyword issue (Automatically assigning a shortcut)

I just upgraded and was adding some new photos to '09 and needed a new keyword. When I added it (and several tests later) the new keyword (from the Keyword window), it automatically assigned a shortcut AND made it a favorite. I tried deleting the shortcut AND tried dragging it from the Favorite back to the total keyword list and it won't make it NOT a favorite. Yet, when I drag from the regular keyword area to a favorite (quick group) area, it DOES make it a favorite. Weird. Any ideas on how to get favorite keywords out of the quick group area of Keywords window?

Yeah, this is really bugging me too. Here's my workaround, as long as I notice right away:
1. Delete keyword. (This is why the workaround is only good if you notice the problem immediately.)
2. Assign the desired keyword directly to a couple of individual photos, rather than creating it in the Keywords pane.
3. Now go to the Keywords pane, select Edit Keywords, and try to add it. It will tell you that the keyword already exists.
4. Now hit the minus sign to delete the keyword that has not been accepted. It will give you that same message about how the keyword already exists, but you will now find that keyword available in the Keywords pane (without a shortcut and not in the Quick Groups area).
This is a major pain. I'm generally pleased with iPhoto 09, but I'm a heavy keyword user, and this will get old quickly. Please fix this bug, Apple!

Unsolved disappearing keywords issue

Leon,
To answer your questions, yes, that's the thread. Technically both missing keywords are subordinate keywords, if that makes a difference.
How did you check?
First, I opened the keywords HUD (Window > Keywords HUD) as you suggested. Not there. Just now I entered the keyword, or a part of it, into the searchfield. Nothing. Then I opened all disclosure triangles. Nothing. (I did find one keyword that I had forgotten about that had erroneously wound up as a subordinate keyword, but not the ones in question.) I appreciate your suggestions. Should I just throw in the towel on this and start relabeling?
Linda

Should I just throw in the towel on this and start relabeling?
I'd start by repairing your Aperture library; the database files inside the Aperture library may have become inconsistent. Try to repair the permissions, and to repair the library.
See: Aperture 3 User Manual: Repairing and Rebuilding Your Aperture Library

Aperture Keywords

I have Aperture 3.4.1 installed. I have used Aperture for several years. I am not new to this.
I have covered all the basics here. I have run a repair on my library, and restarted the computer. I will discuss the problems that I am seeing.
I use keywords a lot. I have a smart album that specifically shows me images that do not have keywords, so that I can assign them.
When I assign keywords I am assigning several of them at one time. The pupose for this is tha I am an artist. I take photographs to support my artistic work. So I might be doing a piece that I need a train, or a flower, or a person on a beach in Maine, or even a specific place that I have been. I can create a quick smart albumn and find all the images matching my needs and then filter them down from there. Very useful.
In another example, I was asked for a picture of my neice. I said what sort of picture. Once they gave me the specifics, that it was a picture of her at a birthday party, at an uncles house; I was then able to create a smartalbumn with all the necessary keywords and boom all those images oh my neice appear. We found the one the person needed and made a print.
My keywords are organized in groups. I have all the main ones: states, cities, people, family, extended family, objects, places, parks, museums, etc.
Inside each group I have several keywords that fit into those group buckets.
When I assign pictures keywords I select all the images that have those keywords, select multiple keywords using the command button, and then drag that group of keywords onto the selected images. Pretty easy stuff, but I have a lot of hours invested in placing keywords on my images.
Problems:
- moving a keyword and letting go, while it is still inside the keyword list, the keyword disappears and does not come back.
- Restarting aperture will show sometimes duplicate groups of keywords. Each group has a different count number of images for the keyword.
- Merging keywords does not appear to update the image count, or combine the image count.
- Occassionally when starting aperture all the keywords are gone
- Occassionally when starting the groups are there, but all the keywords are no longer inside the groups.
- Smart Albumns do not always find the images, but if you look at the image data, the keyword is right there on the screen. So a Smart album that looks for the Automobile keyword will show no images, but I can find several images that have this keyword on it.
- it does not appear that the images lose the keywords assigned. Aperture just does not see them, or does not organize the list properly.
- Some keywords will not show any image count, when I know there are several thousand images with that keyword.
- lifting and stamping keywords does not stamp the group it was in. Therefore, the next time you start aperture the keywords that were stamped appear in the keywords list outside of the groups. I think I stopped stamping keywords in Aperture 2. This has not worked right for as long as I have been using Aperture.
- keywords in group have a number of images containing that keyword. However, the group never shows a total for the group. Would be nice to have so that I can see how many pictures I have in these different groups. That could be really valuable for stock photographers as well. They could track how many photographs of objects, people, animals, autos, builds and more, that they have.
I have over 10,000 images in my library. Most images in my library have 3 or more keywords assigned to them.
Deleting a smart albumn and creating a new one will still not display any images.
All these smart albumns and keywords had bugs, but for the most part I had work arounds for those bugs and could still do things. Right now I am trying to organize a portrait of someone and I cannot perform any filtering to find the images of that person. So I have to go through hundreds of projects by hands to look through thousands of images to try and find it manually.
Has any one used Keywords or seen problems with it? Again, this all worked before 3.4.1 was installed. I got this recently as an update, but before that everything worked (smart albums). Now I cannot even get it to keep the list of keywords in order.

Kirby,
Thanks for the reply. Sorry. My post was sort of long. I wanted to be sure to give the full story so that people were not replying with things like "Did you restart your computer?" "Did you repair your database?".
Problems:
- moving a keyword and letting go, while it is still inside the keyword list, the keyword disappears and does not come back.
This sounds like you are accidentally dragging your Keywords to a different level/parent in your Keyword HUD. Is that possible? The proper way to cancel a drag-and-drop operation is to press "{Escape}".
I was very careful and while dragging made sure that the cursor and keywords where over their starting place. I was not aware of the Escape key press for canceling a drag-n-drop. I will have to remember that for next time.
- Restarting aperture will show sometimes duplicate groups of keywords. Each group has a different count number of images for the keyword.
Where are you seeing these groups? What do you mean by "group"? The same Keyword can exist at different levels of your Keyword hierarchy ("Black" is not the same as "Colors➞Black"; each can be separately assigned and will have a number independent of the other).
Sorry. Let me define my use of the word groups. I use the term group to define a top level keyword, or top of a branch. It will typically have an arrow next to it that can be clicked on to expand. A keyword is a term that I use for a label that is defined in the main list, or inside an expandable label (a group).
So, for example I could have a Family->Mom keyword twice in my list. One that says it has 42 images and the second that says it has 8. If I combine them I do not get 50. I get some other number, as if it was random. More importantly is that I don't have two different Family->Mom keywords. Why aperture started with a duplicate is beyond me.
It should. There is a bug where the numbers in the Keyword HUD are sometimes cropped at the right edge. Have you tried enlarging the Keyword HUD?
I noticed this problem as well and did not have it on my list. Hmm. Thanks. When the keywords hud does that I have been able to correct it, sometimes, by expanding the HUD horizontally and then slowly reducing the size and drag the numbers with it.
- Occassionally when starting aperture all the keywords are gone
Gone? And you have re-input them more than once? How do you know they are gone?
Gone, yes gone. I mean I open Aperture and either use the Shift-H, or icon on tool bar, for opening the keywords HUD and the entire list is empty. Nothing there. I have even tried searching in the search box at the top of the HUD and get no matches. The list is just empty.
When this happens I just quit aperture and shut down the computer. After restarting, sometimes, the list magically repopulates.
- Occassionally when starting the groups are there, but all the keywords are no longer inside the groups.
What groups? Do you mean Parents with children Keywords? How do you know the children are missing? Do they return?
Yes, I mean the Parent with children Keywords, or as I just added above a label (parent is better word) that can be expanded with keywords inside it. When I look at the list, For example, I have a Parent Keyword called Family. That group does not have an arrow and cannot be expanded. Furthermore, all the keywords that were at a lower level inside the Family group are now in the main list of keywords, or the highest level possible. If I want things to return to normal I have to restart the computer and aperture. Although that is not a garuntee to work everytime.
Again, I assume by "group" you mean the parent Keyword. Lifting a child Keyword and stamping it will apply that Keyword. Aperture does not assign the parent Keyword, but it does understand that the stamped Keyword is a child of the parent Keyword. If you filter using the Rule "Keyword" and check the parent Keyword, all Images with any of the children Keywords will be selected.
Yes, and thanks for providing me with the term Parent keyword. I will use that more in the future. I don't have any problem with how the image is stamped with the keywords. But if I have a keyword Family->Mom and I lift this and stamp another image. That image will have the keyword Mom. Aperture now updates the master keyword list inside the HUD and shows Mom at the highest level with everything else. I don't want that, because now I have to merge the Mom keyword back into the Family Parent. I don't doubt that Aperture knows what to do when searching, but the keyword HUD does not.
Thanks again for all the feedback. I do not have much exposure to other people using Aperture. I will do better at my terminology in the future. It is good to know that I am doing some things the same way everyone else does. I was thinking that maybe I was doing something more than everyone else. I wonder why no one else has said anything about the keywords issues. I would think that with so many peopel using them, there would be more complaints, or discussions.

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