Kin Twom Wifi

So I've been up for an upgrade since December and I just haven't gotten around to getting a new phone. I really can't afford a smartphone, even though I feel Verizon puts most of its effort into smartphones. So I've been looking into the Kin Two and have a few questions.
1. Are there really no time stamps? Is there a time interval like they show a timestamp every 30 minutes? Or like if you didn't read a message right away, will it show a timestamp before you open the message?
2. I know you can't delete single messages. Can you lock certain messages? I'm big on locking messages.
3. Is the wifi worth it?
4. Is there a standard clock? So I can just look at my phone at the time?
Someone please answer these for me?! Alsoooo, any opinions on this phone? Or should I go with the LG Cosmos Touch? Or keep waiting? I really would like to get a new feature phone before college after this summer 2011. Will Verizon be bringing any new and GOOD feature phones to the table?

it seems you accidentally made a double-post of the same information, so i am linking this to your other one, where i left my reply:
http://community.vzw.com/t5/KIN/Basic-Questions-about-the-Kin-Two-m/td-p/463278

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Samsung SCH-u370 vs. Kin TWOm ; Which would be better for the texter?

So my plan is going to end in about two months so I decided to research some new feature phones online.
Since I text often, I wanted a phone with a full keyboard, having a touch screen would be nice as well.
The Samsung SCH-u370 isn't offered on at VZW anymore, but Bestbuy online still has a stock of it.
The Kin TWOm looks like a very good phone (8MP camera, slide-out keyboard, etc.) but it didn't have good reviews for some reason.
I mainly use my phone for texting, but will call for roughly 1-2 hours every other night during the week.
Shelling out 50$ isn't a big deal for me, but free is always better.
For the users that have experience with either phone or even both, which would you reccomend and why?
P.S.
- If they're any other keyboard feature phones coming out in the next two months, I would love to take them into consideration.
Thank you so much!

I have both.
The u370 UI is much more polished, font sizes are great, you can adjust them. You can doodle/notate on pics. It's 3" resistive touchscreen. You can use finger nail or some dull pointer if touch is slightly off. I have not tested the e-mail/web browser as the phone doesn't have wi-fi and i don't have data plan. Music player is very basic, haven't tested video. No microSD card is included. The camera is 3MP, no flash, but there is night mode (more sensitive to light, but noisy images). You can doodle/notate over pics, great for making quick notes/directions. Because it relies on microSD for storage, you don't really need to use it with any specific software.
Twom, some parts of the UI can frustrate some people. Font sizes are not adjustable, and there are many areas where the font is thin and small. The built in email client is text only, and it displays some html code rather than stripping them clean. But it does work over both 3g or wifi. The e-mail client's UI is simple, nice to use. You can do full webmail through the browser. You can type notes/comments on pics taken, no sketch pad. 3.4" capacitive touchscreen. That means you can't use fingernail or pointers. There is a Zune player with tegra1 hardware, which means audio and HD video playback. 8GB overall storage with about 6+ GB usable for storage. And you have to use the Zune desktop software to get data on/off the phone. 8MP camera with auto focus, image stabilization, and led flash. But no extras like b&w/sepia modes, etc, etc. The browser is good for mobile sites and small websites, but large websites takes a while to load. Overall it works well enough for basic html & css over wi-fi. Also keep in mind it's unlikely to get an update.
I can't comment on texting as i don't have a text plan. The Twom keyboard is very tactile, you can hear it click, not mushy. If you really need a good browser on your phone, then you will need a smartphone. Between these two though, the Twom have the advantage in media, the u370 have the advantage as the easier to use phone. And it depends on how much you like/dislike the UI of either phone. The u370 have the more 'normal' UI. Whereas the Twom is more experimental looking, but cuts down the fluff.
With either phone, make sure you disable 3g data.
*Actually both keyboards are very good. The difference is the Twom have clicky plastic keys, and u370 have the noiseless rubbery keys. Both keyboards are top of their class. Each key is firm and it's not easy to accidentally click an adjacent key. Depends on which you prefer.

NEW Kin TwoM Pricing / New Feature Phones

So, I've been checking the site compulsively for about the last two months...let me know if you think my logic on this is sound:
This week I noticed that the Kin OneM pricing went from 19.99 to FREE- it doesn't seem to be a promotional price either because it's listed as an "Online Discount" the exact same way the Crux and Cosmos are.
This leads me to believe two things:
1) Possibly the best news- with so many of the feature phones moving to FREE pricing, it's not a huge assumption that new feature phone devices may soon be on the way. (Please, please, please offer some compelling phones Verizon...)
2) The Kin TwoM will soon see a price decrease as well- probably to the 19.99 range making it almost impossible to pass up.
If number 1 turns out to be true, I'll be waiting a bit to see what comes out before I pull the trigger on the Kin TwoM.
There's been recent news that Verizon will be releasing devices "later this year" (whatever that means) with the Brew OS and Opera Mini preloaded- this probably means they've got some decent feature phones coming. I'm making that assumption based on the fact that the HTC Freestyle on AT&T has been pretty much regarded as the first device to be released like this...I'm thinking Verizon will want to compete with them at least at the beginning of a new standard of feature phones.
But, if it turns out that they again bring a line-up that only gets the teens excited, count me in for the Kin TwoM.
I'd prefer not to have to walk around the office with the same phone my boss's 15 year old daughter has...now there's an interesting water cooler chat:
"Bergman, nice phone...my tween daughter loves that thing..."

Somehow i feel the Kin phones won't be for sale for much longer. For those that need a basic phone with touch interface, there's other options which have a clearer interface. Including the Costco special Samsung SCH-u370. It's a Samsung u820/Reality that doesn't require data. No free wi-fi, but overall it's a much better phone. More ... finished, than the Kin phones. The Kins to me feels like a Windows Phone beta in comparison.
I do love how the tiles are laid out on the home screen better on the Kins than WP7 phones, there's no empty space above or to the right. And i love the favorites contacts screen of the Kins. WP7 phones though feels much sleeker and better zune like controls. And since you can load apps on WP7 your browser won't be outdated.
For current feature phones, i think the u370 is a top choice on Verizon. Good build quality, clear user interface, nice fonts and sizes, a useful sketch app, and the ability to doodle/notate on your pictures. Excellent value. Kin Onem, i can't reccomend. The phone dial numbers are too small on screen to be usable. Thicker than other feature phones, but because of the form factor, the side buttons are almost useless in one handed use. Kin Twom is much better in these aspects than the Onem. But certain interface font sizes are still too small.
The web browser (IE 6 Mobile) is not bad. Mobile and minimal pages loads quick on wifi. Although the back button is not easy to get to, and i haven't figured out if you can go forward in history. The url/title bar seems unfinished, i wish it would have swapped to the title after entering the url, thus saving space. The tiled bookmarks is a good idea, but page titles doesn't fit on the tiles. Even though the hardware is Tegra1, the Kin doesn't come with Flash lite. So alot of flash interactive buttons and streaming doesn't work. Infact simple mp3 playback and playlists doesn't stream in the browser. Which is sad.
One saving grace for the browser that i have found is Bing. Yep. http://m.bing.com/ Of course on first load it will be in landscape mode. And it only list the top 3 items of the menu, without being able to expand it. But go into portrait mode, and you should see the complete menu. Almost every web app on this menu worked well. My favorite is the directions. It almost makes up for not having google maps. Almost.
The strong points of the Twom is of course the browser + wifi, and zune. Which is like a zune hd lite. The FM radio made up for the lack of web streaming. I'm rediscovering FM thanks to it. And the zune desktop software is very modern and sleek. It made itunes look like it's made for accountants. Personally i love the Twom even though it has its quirks. The ui is unique, not quite WP7, and not like anything else. No branding as well. With FM radio i have wireless music anywhere, for free.
Here are some mobile sites that i found to work on Kin's IE6 Mobile:
http://m.bing.com/ --- search, local, traffic, directions (fantastic), movies, weather, favs.
http://mobile.local.com/ --- more direct/faster way to search for anything local
http://wapedia.mobi/en/ --- easier to load than mobile wikipedia
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/
http://m.whitepages.com/ http://www.gasbuddytogo.com/
http://www.gasbuddytogo.com/ http://translate.google.com/m/
http://translate.google.com/m/
There's plenty of news & social websites that have mobile modes. I've tried cnn, twitter, and youtube. And they all worked well. Youtube mobile seems to be the only way you can stream anything with the browser. I've tried other mobile video/music sites, and no go.
The phone have frozen 4 times within the last day. This happens with heavy web browsing and music playback. Overall i can't recommend the Kin phones, although go ahead and buy one while you can if you know what you're getting into. I feel that future feature phones will be more polished like the Samsung u370/u820 rather than these Kins. I just wish MS, Verizon, Danger and PCD realize that they were on to something great with these Kins despite the marketing flop. I like the TwoM despite the beta feel of the software and hardware (WP7 still looks like it's a beta product).

Google docs - viewing PDFs in KIN twom

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned in previous topics but the KIN twom browser can manage the google docs viewer and view PDFs and other docs within the google docs webpage.

Been using Google Docs this week. Not too bad. . It really does come in handy. I can upload some things I have written and view them on the go. I can do a little mental editing so that when I get back to writing..I;ve got a good idea of the changes I want/need to make.
It isn't perfect, but it sure does increase the functionality of my KIN TWOm. Thanks for the tip/reminder!
(p.s. If you leave a doc open in the browser you can view later even if you are not connected to a WiFi network)

Kin TWOm vs. LG Cosmos Touch

My family is now eligible for an upgrade, but my parents don't want to pay for data plans, and I'm a poor college student with no money to do so, so I have to stick with the feature phones and choose something with no data required.
I've looked into them, and I'm stuck between the Kin and the Cosmos Touch.
IMO, here are the major pros and cons of each one:
Kin Pros:
* Wifi capable
* 8GB Zune player
* 8mp camera
* 720p video
* Large display
Kin Cons:
* No forwarding messages
* Short battery life on standby
Cosmos Pros:
* Small size (easier to put in pocket)
* Expandable memory
* More features i.e. tip calculator, stopwatch etc.
* Easy to get ringtones
* Easy to customize wallpaper etc.
Cosmos Cons:
* 1.3mp camera
* No video recording
* Bad keyboard setup (space bar between v and b)
Which phone do you suggest I get and why?

don't forget backup assistant! that's another dealbreaker for some people.
for kin, there's no backup assistant, ie no backing up, export, or import of the contacts. You can back up media files (photos, videos, music) via zune player, and i think even if you have a MAC, they have markspace.com/kin to assist you in syncing the media files.
for cosmos touch...obviously you get backup assistant and all that great support from vzw.
But if you are like me, who has never really used backup assistants, and I manually type in every contact i know/need for all my previous phones anyway, then this probably wouldn't make much difference.
also the interface is very different, i'm sure you are aware of it. although listed as a feature phone, kin still got the old interface and not the normal vz stuff that all other feature phones possess. make sure you are used to it.
i read on the reviews of vzw that there are a lot of ppl returning the kin because they wasn't aware of the interface difference.
ringtone-wise...i don't know. all the phones i have with verizon (except chocolate 1) all had terrible ringtone situation mainly because I like to use my own ringtones and they are vzw were particular annoying at letting ppl having their way in the old days.
i think now it's getting better but obviously, there is still no way of deleting ringtones on kin, you can use myxer.com or your parents/friends phones to send the ringtones you want to you as MMS (messaging charge applies), but you cannot rename it in your kin (must do it before sending).
cosmos touch...ehh im thinking the opposite? not really sure but prob. more convenient.
I will suggesst get the cosmos touch for your parents and a kin twom for yourself, that way, you guys can switch around.
if you are upgrading around this time, maybe you should wait til christmas hits? there might be new phones or new sales or something. kin is not going anywhere...$50 is as cheap as it gets i think.
I don't think they have the kin in stores yet...or is that old news? update me thx!

Kin twom Wi-fi not working... really frustrated

I have a WPA 2 network however, when I try to connect to my wifi it says " can't connect to the NetPro network right now. try again later" I have not had the oppurtunity to try this for any other networks. However, I did try a random password for my neighbors, and instead of a message coming up as password invalid or something like that I got the same message. How do I connect to my wi-fi?

Just a thought:
I am a new KIN TWOm owner (not an expert) so I frequent this site to learn about my new phone:
I have an Airport Extreme 802.11g. I am currently using a WPA2 locked network. I had no problem signing in with the the KIN TWOm. My router is pretty old. I do not have the newer 802.11n one.
I just looked in the manual under wifi and it does not specify compatible routers but I do recall reading that the newer 802.11n is not supported. This was on a forum and not in the manual. (Oops! It is in this thread!)
I'm glad I have not upgraded my router in years because mine seems to be working with my KIN TWOm.
So, is it the phone or the router? I don't know?
I will say that I have to remember to turn wifi off of a device (KIN TWOm, iPod Touch, MacBook etc ...) I am taking with me before I leave the house because while I'm gone the entire network shuts down. If I turn wifi off in the device I am carrying out of range then the home network keeps working. If I forget to turn it off of the device I am traveling with, I have to restart the network by physically unplugging it, count to 10 slowly, plug it back in, then everything just starts working again without having to retype the password. It doesn't work if I just reset it from the ethernet device. Leaving the house with a device that has wifi on connected to the home network knocks out everything connected to the network, iPod Touch, computers, etc ... Once I unplug & replug the network in, everything just works again within about a minute or so.
I figured that out the hard way with my iPod Touch. My family kept complaining that the network was down and I noticed the pattern of whenever I leave the house with my iPod on wifi the network goes down. It's the same with my KIN TWOm and my MacBook. I don't know if it has to do with firewall settings or network settings or what? I just make it a habit to turn off wifi on the device I am carrying with me before leaving the house. I can still turn it back on once I am out to access public wifi. Then it still works for the rest of the family while I'm gone. When I return home I have no problem reconnecting to my home network.
I hope this is clear enough. It's hard to explain in writing.

Anymore Kin Twom phone?!!!

Hi, I was wondering is anyone knows if they will be getting anymore Kin Twom phone's? I called last night and the customer service guy said they had some, then today I called in to order it and they said they didn't have any. I am so bummed, but am hoping they will get more, sine they still have it on the site- but it says temporarily out of stock. My husband and I love that we can have Wifi without the data plan. Any help would be great! Thanks.

I suggest not to get this phone. The reason they are out of stock is becasue they have to keep replacing the phones that people already have. My daughter is on her 3rd phone in 4 weeks. Yes I said that right, not a typo. 3rd phone in 4 weeks and they refuse to give her a different phone. Something other then this stupid Kin twom

Has anyone else honestly had GOOD luck with the Kin TwoM?

I recently purchased a Refurb Kin TwoM off ebay...I havent yet activated it but I did want to pass this along to others (as I was curious about) that I WAS able to take my old Samsung Intensity to a VZW Store and they transferred all my contacts within about 5 minutes! I wanted to make sure that would work first before anything! Also, I tested out the wifi @ home and Mcdonalds and it connected just fine!..its like a Wifi-Enable Mp3 player right now and it only cost me $40, so hopefully once i fully activate it the actual PHONE will work! There are a few quirks Ive noticed like others have pointed out..such as the screen lock doesnt actually lock the volume controls on the side....and the browser is awesome for a basic phone but isnt quite as smooth or 'fluid' for webpages like our Ipod Touch is...(but you really shouldnt compare it to any smart' devices that like) Im not sure if its true for all Kin's but I havent been able to play videos offline like Youtube? anyone else have this issue? I also wish with there were some simple Apps like FB / Twitter/ Maps available but I suppose I cant expect too much!

I know I'm tempting fate by posting this, but yes, I've been quite happy with my KIN TWOm.
I got mine originally in June, 2011. A couple of weeks later, it dropped from the holster on a dirt path and must have hit a pebble or something, because a small section of the screen stopped working. VZW sent me a "Certified" replacement (cost me $99 because of the apparent physical damage), and it has been performing fine for the past 13 months.
Sure, there are some software quirks (It's Microsoft, remember?) but the benefits clearly outweigh those. Probably the thing I miss most is the lack of any voice recording/command function. But I love that it has WiFi, and the nice camera and 8GB memory let me take over 400 pictures when my normal camera was stolen on the second day of a trip to Europe. The Zune music player is nice as well, and the e-mail client, while limited in function, is much nicer than the one on my previous phone.
As for the actual phone functions, I text more than I talk, and the physical keyboard is very nice for that. As for voice calls, I do that pretty seldom, but have not had any problem with dropped calls, volume, etc.
OK, the big elephant in the room is the "black screen" that seems to affect so many people. It's happened to me a few times as well. I think my background as a computer guy has helped me deal with this. When this has happened to me, it's always been when the device was "sleeping", and just didn't want to wake up. Like maybe it wasn't recognizing the interrupt from the "back" button. In those cases, I've found that holding the button down a little longer, opening the keyboard, or briefly pressing the power button will get its attention. Or sometimes I just need to let the device rest for a minute or two and it manages to untie itself. There have just been a very few times when I've had to do a cold boot (remove/replace the battery).
You also need to be careful as to how you put the device in your pocket or belt holster. Make sure that you don't position it in a way that the power button can be accidentally pressed when you sit down. There have been a few times when I take the phone out of my pocket and the little power off confirmation box is displayed. If that happens, be careful not to touch "OK" -- unless you want to power off.
Anyway, maybe mine is living on borrowed time, but overall I've been very happy with it so far.
I know there are others who have not had such a good experience, but this thread asked for people who were happy with their KINs, and I am.

New User KIN twom needs help!

Hi guys, I recently purchased a Kin TWOM because i wanted a decent phone without having to pay for data plan. I have some questions that I need help answering/confirming because I searched online and it'll be nice to have all my answers here.
1. WIFI
Q: I understand that the kin two can go on wifi FOR FREE as long as you turn the 3G network off.
Would turing your phone to airplane mode be good enough to NOT use the 3G at all or do I need to go online and do a data block on the phone?
Would turning the data block off online, completely turn off the 3G network, so i guess incase of emergency, no use of 3G?
I can still receive text without 3G (text is not part of data- i think?)?
2. Games
Are there any games you can download from computer to the phone? I saw that someone posted mytouchgames.com as a site inwhich you can lay games on it or something. I want to play games and see if can imput by comp.
3. ZUNE
I never had a zune before and have no idea how it works. I believe this is free. I saw that all you need is to download a program and I can start putting my music from my computer to the phone and just play it like a mp3.
Can you use mp3 from the computer, put into zune and use it as a ringtone?
Ringtone on phonezoo..sending it to the phone would not cost anything? But i'm not sure where to save it to because i don't think i want it to be permenant. Can I send it to the zune program
Some people also mentioned sending by email..i don't really understand it. Are we sending it as an attachment? or a link??
4. Bluetooth
Can you transfer music/pictures/ect. from phone to phone via bluetooth? I would probably like to send pictures to my sister when I see her WITHOUT using text. If not, is the only way is to transfer pictures from phone to computer and post it online?
5. MISC
I heard that there was an issue regarding the phone being on silent and still ring, can someone clarify? like if its on vibrate, the alarm would still go off, but if people called, it'll be on vibrate?
THANK YOU for your time in answering these questions.

icekitsune714 wrote:
Hi guys, I recently purchased a Kin TWOM because i wanted a decent phone without having to pay for data plan. I have some questions that I need help answering/confirming because I searched online and it'll be nice to have all my answers here. Hi and welcome to the boards!
1. WIFI
Q: I understand that the kin two can go on wifi FOR FREE as long as you turn the 3G network off.
Would turing your phone to airplane mode be good enough to NOT use the 3G at all or do I need to go online and do a data block on the phone? Correct, wireless providers do not charge for Wi-Fi use. However, it's very difficult to tell on the Kin whether you're using Wi-Fi or 3G, so I do recommend a data block. As you stated, you can also put the phone in airplane mode, but that does shut off the radio, so you will not receive any calls or texts when you do this.
Would turning the data block off online, completely turn off the 3G network, so i guess incase of emergency, no use of 3G? Correct, you would have to go online to My Verizon or call customer service to enable data. If you think you'll occasionally use it while out, maybe you want the $10 data plan ... $1.99/MB adds up fast!
I can still receive text without 3G (text is not part of data- i think?)? Yes, you will still receive texts. You can even receive MMS (pic and vid messages), but the customer service rep has to set this up correctly on your account. Be very careful that the rep doesn't remove the data block to allow MMS -- you will think you're using Wi-Fi and the charges will really add up.
2. Games
Are there any games you can download from computer to the phone? I saw that someone posted mytouchgames.com as a site inwhich you can lay games on it or something. I want to play games and see if can imput by comp. No experience with this, sorry.
3. ZUNE
I never had a zune before and have no idea how it works. I believe this is free. I saw that all you need is to download a program and I can start putting my music from my computer to the phone and just play it like a mp3. Zune is great. It's free to use (unless you decide to purchase the Zune Pass, which is a music subscription for $15/month, plus you can keep 10 songs every month for your own collection). When Zune installs, there's a setting that syncs all the music and pics already on your computer. So when I installed Zune, all my music from Windows Media Player was there. You simply drag and drop to put on your Kin. You can also subscribe to podcasts through Zune. Plus the Kin does have an FM radio, which sounds good and shows current songs playing if the info is available.
Can you use mp3 from the computer, put into zune and use it as a ringtone? I don't think this worked for Kin users.
Ringtone on phonezoo..sending it to the phone would not cost anything? But i'm not sure where to save it to because i don't think i want it to be permenant. Can I send it to the zune program
Some people also mentioned sending by email..i don't really understand it. Are we sending it as an attachment? or a link??
4. Bluetooth
Can you transfer music/pictures/ect. from phone to phone via bluetooth? I would probably like to send pictures to my sister when I see her WITHOUT using text. If not, is the only way is to transfer pictures from phone to computer and post it online? I read that the Kin Bluetooth only works for headsets, not file transfer, but I'm not certain.
5. MISC
I heard that there was an issue regarding the phone being on silent and still ring, can someone clarify? like if its on vibrate, the alarm would still go off, but if people called, it'll be on vibrate? This is because the ringer switch does not lock. So if your phone is in your pocket, you can bump the switch and put it in another mode. So you think it'll ring and it's on silent, for example.
THANK YOU for your time in answering these questions.

My KIN TWOm saved my vacation

Well, from reading this forum, I guess I have the only KIN TWOm that hasn't self destructed yet. Not only that, but it saved my recent vacation! So I thought I'd share a happy KIN story.
We recently went to Europe for two weeks. I knew the KIN wouldn't work there (GMS vs CDMA), but I took it anyway for the music player on the long flight, and just to see if I could use the WiFi to check e-mail and sports scores from any cafes or hotels that happened to have WiFi. That worked! Only problem was that Google is apparently smart enough to check your IP address, so when I accessed from Mykonos, it sent me back the page in Greek!
Anyway, my regular camera was stolen the second day of our trip -- in the Vatican, ironically. So the only way to record the memories was with the camera in the KIN. For the next 13 days, I took over 450 pictures with the KIN. They were reasonably sharp for a tiny cellphone lens, and the color was great. Even with all those pictures in memory, there was still over 6GB free. (I was taking pictures at 1600x1200 resolution.) When I got home, I easily transferred them all to my computer (using the same ZUNE software that doesn't seem to work for anyone else).
One of my favorite features turned out to be the double tap that toggles back and forth between wide angle and 2X -- which would be about "normal" for a 35mm camera. Exposure was pretty good -- except it didn't handle strong backlight situations very well. The battery held up quite well -- possibly because I had it in airplane mode most of the time since I couldn't use it as a phone over there anyway. I also habitually turn the screen off between uses.
Bottom line...given this is a cellphone, not a camera, the results were surprisingly good and I'm REALLY glad I had it with me.

Hello RTFM!
I am so glad you enjoyed your trip to Europe and glad you were able to capture those memorable moments with your KIN TWOm!
Thank you for posting such a great story regarding your experience with your device. I, too, recently returned from an overseas trip and my mobile phone was my camera. I was able to capture great pictures for my friends and family see as well. It is unfortunate your camera was stolen, however, the KIN stepped right in and allowed you to still capture those memorable moments.
Again, thank you for posting!

Problem setting up Gmail on KIN TWOm

Very happy with my KIN TWOm - got my Zune setup, go to set up my Hotmail, perfect...but they I try to set up Gmail and it says "Not Set Up - There was a problem setting up your account. Try again later". When I call Verizon they tell me, "You must be typing in the wrong email or the wrong password." It's been the same email for the last 5 years and I check it everyday - I think I've got it down. When I kept complaining, they sent me to ADVANCED TECH SUPPORT were I was told to pull the battery out and restart the phone...when that did nothing I was told to change my Gmail password. I wasn't surprised when that didn't work. After all this I was told I should contact Gmail because it sounds like a problem on their end. Here's the issue; they didn't make the phone, why would they know how to help? The KIN website is no more - no help to be found with Sharp or Microsoft, so I guess this is my last chance - Anyone had the same issue, if so how can I fix it?

You should not need to enable IMAP/POP to use your gmail account w/ the Kin. I personally use gmail, so it is the only email service i can verify works fine with the Kin email app. First, make sure you have an internet connection. That can be wifi, or the 3g network (i would suggest wifi; block 3G is my advice). Once you are sure you have a connection (try connecting to a few pages in the browser; don't rely on the little 3G icon), click on the email app icon, then click the Gmail icon. It will ask for 3 options: a name (i'm not sure if this has to match your email account's name, character for character; but i know mine does, so you might as well enter it as the same name as the one under your gmail account just in case), the email address (including @gmail.com), and your password, which is case-sensitive, has to include all the symbols/numbers, etc.
It should be as easy as that. The only problem i can see occurring is if your phone isn't actually connected to a wifi connection and has no connection to the internet, or if it does matter that the name you enter has to match the email account's name, but i don't understand why it would have to match, but then again it wouldn't be the first time Microsoft did something unexplainably weird.

Kin Twom Verizon and Microsoft are missing a great opportunity

To my mind the Kin Twom is a great feature phone with only two problems that really need correcting. First and foremost contacts need to be able to be saved away from the phone. Kin Studio needs to opened up to the latest Kin phones and not shut down at the end of January. Zune software needs to be modified to save contact information. Verizon needs to make My backup assistant work on the Kin phones. One of these things needs to happen in case your Kin is lost, stolen, etc. and to make moving to a new phone in the future easier.
The second problem with the Kin phone is the inability to organize contacts into some kind of groups. If you have the capability to store 1000 contacts in the phone, you need some way to organize them. Feature phones far less capable than the Kin already have this. How hard can it be to program this feature in.
I recently went looking for a touch phone that I could use without a data plan. It came down to the Pantech Crux, LG Cosmos Touch and the Kin Twom. The Kin Twom was the obvious choice for me. Where else can you get a feature phone with Wifi, touch screen and an 8 megapixel camera with flash and zoom, and music player?
Sure the interface takes some getting used to. But it is miles better than most of the Verizon feature phones. Those interfaces have not changed in years. The Kin is a windows interface (not quite Windows phone 7, but still good). People should stop comparing it to a smart phone. That's not what it is. It lies somewhere between a feature phone and a smart phone.
I also liked the original Kin phones with the social networking features. Some of these features were really unique. I read all the reviews that said the phones failed because the data plan was too expensive. That's not the phone's fault, it is the fault of Verizon marketing. A social networking phone with the ability to save photos and contacts info up in the cloud was really unique in the feature phone market. Both Verizon and Microsoft have really screwed this up. They have a product that could truly impact the feature phone market for years. Frankly there a lot of people who don't want/need a smart phone. Instead those of us with Kins are having the come up with workarounds for the contact problems and watching the unique features of the phone being stripped out by Verizon/Microsoft. Sad

What everyone said here is right on the money. Simple fixes, none of these are new to phone technology, nor are they absent from any other feature phone, but they would do wonders for the Kin phones. Like technobody said, the exact 3 phones were in my considerations, and for the exact same reasons, i didn't even hesitate to snatch up the Kin Twom. There are so many things you did right about this phone, the actual phone is a gem. It just has a few issues to be addressed.
For me, it boils down to 4 or 5 major issues that weren't addressed either in the beginning, or during the original to M model transition, that if they were fixed, 90% of its problems would be fixed:
contact transfer/backup (backup assist is verizon's own program, but because of the original loop, wasn't needed for this phone, and when re-writing this phone's software for feature phone release, somehow this slipped through quality control/testing)
volume keys locking upon phone lock
groups for contacts: ability to make and select contact groups, especially for mass texts, or easy access to contacts when the contact list gets very large and bothersome to scroll through. also to be able to select both the entire group, or go through and add 1-by-1 contacts from within the group (in other words, not exiting the select 'menu' until it is user-commanded to do so)
Messaging: ability to select individual messages and manage them, such as delete, forward, resend, view details, etc, as well as ability to select emails from contacts when adding to a sender. Additionally, being able to send quick-texts (user-saved, like in other feature phones), and having the keypad on the touchscreen appear as a slide-up/down functionality (think, cosmos touch design), so you can at least type when the phone is closed, for quick replies (w/ added predicative text). Afterall, the Kins were designed as messaging phones..so how does it not have predicative text (T9, iTap, etc), and not have any ability to text with the phone closed?
ringtone rename/deletion/organization into default groups of melodies/alerts/alarms, as well as a vibrate only setting for sounds (along with fixing the alarms to vibrate when phone is set to vibrate)

Kin TWOm Re view

Been on the fence since the Kin 2m came back out,Read all the reviews here,the web and on verizons site itself.Read about the no text fwd,no ringtone down loads, & no apps,but then thought,i dont need that any way.fwd may 3 texts in 20yrs of owning a cell phone,downloaded maybe 3 rintones in that time,and dont really want to pay for a data plan to download & use an app to open my garage door! Then Verizon had it for free during their christmas promotion,so i ordered one,got it a week before christmas,but the wife wouldnt let me open it until xmas day.so i had it for a week now and figured i'de throw in my 2 cents.
General feel/apperance: Yes the back does feel kinda "cheap" and slippery.But will get a case off amazon like posted in earlier reviews.Dropped it twice so far with no issues.Like the size & weight.The Touch screen is very nice,its bright and easy to see and use.
Wi Fi: Its great! Had a few issues connecting to home wi fi,but had same issues with my 6yr olds Nintendo Dsi,got on after 2 days of trying.Had no issues with free hot spots.Seems very fast also.But does drain battery quickly.Only use it if the home lap top is being used by other family.Did the data block with Verizon,and use the airplane mode.
Call: calls are loud and crisp.Used andEnv 2 before the 2m,and much better sound with the 2m.dont like you can't disable the touch tone sound when dialing,but will live with it.Like how i have a favorite contacts page by swipping left,then can touch someone,and have the option to call/text from there.
Messages: Like the threaded messages,with the calls listed along with texts.Dont like how it dosent keep track of characters used,only have the 250 text plan so like to keep my texts short.Like the quick smiley/sybols key.
Keyboard: Great keyboard! nice feel to the push of the keys,i definatley know when i push a key.Only con with keyboard is kept messing up between the o/9 key and the p/0 key when typing the 0 at first.And the top row is kinda close to the top slide,but got used to it after a day or so.Like the smiley/symbol dedicated button,the call button & search button.was alot easier texting after reading the pdf users manuel on Verizons web site.Found out u can push the green "shift" button twice tou keep the green key active.
Camera:Awsome! Great pics! haven't used video yet.Used the touch shutter button only,the dedicated camera button is hard to use with slider open.like how it stores photos,recent,favorite etc.
Zune: Another great feature! downloaded the software before i got the phone so knew what to do when i got the phone,like how it downloads pics to computer and puts them in albums on phone.The radio feature is awsome,sounds great through supplied head phones.Have put any music on yet,but will soon.The free 14 day Zune pass trial is ok,but after the 14 days are up.from what i've read,you loose all acess to the song you downloaded unless u subscribe.
Cons: Not really cons just some things that one might be used to with past phones that u cant do with the 2 m.Like download ringtones,gonna try the sites mentioned here tho.The no volume lock,havent had an issue yet with this,but can be annoying.I actually like some of the ringtones/alerts that come with the phone.And havent had any issues with hearing them.Dont like that it dosent have an alarm only setting for sound.used that alot with old phone.
Overall: Great phone if your looking for a feature phone.If you want to download apps,games or ring tones,dont buy it.Verizon & Microsoft can make some $$ with the kin onem & 2m if they realize there are people out there,like me,who want a touch screen,8mp camera,wi fi & zune,but dont want to pay for data.They can use these phones as a stepping stone for people to try it,the upgrade to a smart phone later and pay for more data.Kinda a teaser phone.Overall loving my kin twom! Battery life is great,unless u use wi fi alot.
My Question: Like to send pics/text to Facebook,but wont let me send text/pic to the facebook e mail address i got from Facebook.Any one know a way around this?
Thanks to all the reviews that helped me decide to give the 2m a try,i am really happy with it! 4 stars!

one thing i forgot to review,was the no contacts transfer,i had no issue with this,only had about 30 in my old phone and wasnt bad doing it manually.was a good thing for me,got rid of some old ones,added new ones or updated them,plus verizon is splitting our area code soon,so we will need to dial it with any number,gave me the chance to add them to phone now.Like how you can put in multiple #'s home,work,etc. and Really like the feature of birth days and anniversary and business contacts,notes on people,& addresses all in one page and it syncs to calendar automatically!

Has anyone found any way to read books on kin twom?

i know i ve seen someone ask this question but it wasnt really addressed the same way, has anyone found a way to read books on kin twom? whether it be through a google portal as i heard someone say, or any other way to do this, preferably without needing the wifi to use it (obviously i would assume you need the wifi to get it in the first place,but maybe not need to be connected to read?) if there is any way, even if throught an online prtsl, please let me know. also, please forgive me for my word usage, i am not by any means a technical person, thanks!

I recently added an ebook called Planet of the ******, to the Kin Twom . Of course, this being a Kin, I had to get creative. I found freeware called RasterBook to convert a html ebook to .jpg. This allowed me to load the jpegs through Zune. Now, when I go to camera -->albums, I can read the ebook.
The way I figured out to do it:
1. Download the freeware RasterBook
2. Open notepad and type in the following: start RasterBook.exe --width 480 --height 320 --rotate 90 --overlap 20 --format jpeg
3. Save the file as kin.bat in the directory C:\Program Files (x86)\RasterBook
4. Download a .html version of an ebook. I found a free one (Planet of the ******) at Project Gutenberg (http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main_Page)
5.Double click on the kin.bat file. This launches RasterBook
6. Open the folder containing the .html of your ebook. Drag and drop the .html file into the RasterBook window.
7. Click on the button "Render Book" in the RasterBook window.
8. You will see your .jpg files start to generate.
9. Finding the resulting .jpg files is a little tricky. The RasterBook freeware kept throwing the ebook .jpgs in the folder C:\Users\<your username here>\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files (x86)\RasterBook or C:\Program Files (x86)\RasterBook. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to where the hundreds of jpg files save to.
10. Once you find your.jpg files load them using Zune to your Kin.
11. Then go to camera --> albums and you should be able to find the book.
12. To read each page of the book swipe the screen to the right or the left to advance to the next page in the book.

Can Kin TwoM Play Cached Games?

Hi, new to the forum as I'm considering getting a Kin twoM (same old story - don't want to buy a data plan, maybe best feuture phone available).
I was curious as to web page caching. I know you can pin web sites to the home screen, and playtouchgames is one of those sites mentioned. I just wanted to confirm - do you have to have an active wifi connection to play these games? I was hoping that after playing a game once while connected, maybe the cached game would still be available for times when wifi was not available.
I doubt it, but I'm hoping! Thanks

nationalacrobat wrote:
Hi, new to the forum as I'm considering getting a Kin twoM (same old story - don't want to buy a data plan, maybe best feuture phone available).
I was curious as to web page caching. I know you can pin web sites to the home screen, and playtouchgames is one of those sites mentioned. I just wanted to confirm - do you have to have an active wifi connection to play these games? I was hoping that after playing a game once while connected, maybe the cached game would still be available for times when wifi was not available.
I doubt it, but I'm hoping! Thanks
Hi nationalacrobat,
I have checked my resources and I was not able to find any information indicating that Kin TwoM is capable of playing games like the one outlined on your post without a WiFi connection present. You will need an active WiFi connection to play such games.

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