KM3M-V & DDR400 RAM

Hi!
I just bought a package which included the KM3M-V board and 512MB of PC3200 DDR400 RAM. Manual indicates it only takes highest spec of PC2700 DDR333.
Forgive a stupid question, but will the RAM work OK but the board won't take full advantage of the higher spec? Or would it damage the board if I installed it? Just need to know whether to return the memory and ask for PC2700 replacement.
Thanks, Dave.

Many thanks for the replies. Just needed to know that I wouldn't damage the motherboard.
Thanks again, Dave.

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I've just bought 2 identical Elixir RAM modules:
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** Motherboard MSI KT6 Delta (MS 6590 v2.0)
-chipset VIA KT600 / VIA VT8377
-Front Side Bus: real clock 167 MHz, effective clock 334 MHz
-Memory Bus: real clock 167 MHz, effective clock 334 MHz
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** CPU AMD Athlon XP-A 2600+
** ATI Radeon 9200 AGP 128MB
** RAM 512MB DDR PC2700 DDR333
** HD 2xMaxtor 6 Y120L0 120 GB + Maxtor 6 L200P0 200 GB
** Windows XP SP2
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the RAM slots, the PC doesn't boot, but 3 short beeps are heard, which indicate a RAM error.
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is OK for KT6Delta mobo, and I exclude that both the modules are damaged.
Re-installing the old DDR333 PC2700 RAM the PC boots and works as usual....
What can I do? Is there any incompatibility or should I change anything in the BIOS settings?
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DDR400 RAM won´t run at 200MHz?

What can this be? First off my specs:
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- 2x 1024MB DDR400 OCZ Performance
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Quote from: JPSelter on 04-July-05, 22:09:34
Good benchmark. Seems as if I can forget 4x 512. I wonder if I have more chances with the ASUS A8V Deluxe and my 2x 1024MB if there´s really a bug in MSI´s BIOS. It can´t be that my RAM runs up to 199MHz and then locks up everything...
Yes, I got an ASUS A8V Deluxe rev2, myself and I will make some tests with that MoBo / Venice / 4x512, in the days to come.
However, their latest beta biosversions 1014.006 are horrible regarding voltagecontrol ( extrem overvolting ) and mem.dividers logic.
The 1011 with venice support seems ok except for the 1T/2T control ( same result no matter what enabled / disabled / auto-setting).
I would most of all, see a new good written venice-bios version for the MSI Neo2 MoBo.
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I'm using an Intel P4 2.2Ghz 533 CPU if that counts?.... so the memory is only running at 333Mhz...
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https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=40413.0
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Geil PC3200 ultra-X 2-2-2-5
Corsair TwinX PC3200 the 2-2-2-5 ones.
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re: foxofinfinety
When my iMac G4 1.25 17" USB 2.0 computer was under
AppleCare, and in for a service issue regarding a shipping
damaged chrome display arm, the company (compUSA)
at my request upgraded the internal RAM to 512MB and
that part was on sale. Later on, after it was discovered
the inCompUSA had appeared to have sold me a bad RAM
chip, and they no longer stocked that brand, my iMac was
in pieces in their shop. I live 100+ miles away, so my option
was to have them keep the computer and hope to get a
new piece of the same RAM under that RAM company's
warranty (maybe two months waiting) or buy another RAM.
{and the original Apple 256MB chip was 200 miles r/t away.}
They had Centurion branded PC3200-DDR400 in 184-pin
RAM and that was said to be Apple certified; and it was
backwards compatible with the PC-2700-DDR333 spec in
the factory slot. Not a problem since then, 4 years ago.
Unfortunately, inCompUSA messed up the logic board while
the computer was under AppleCare and then was unable
or unwilling to troubleshoot and repair it. I did the trouble-
shooting and drove it in to inCompUSA, repeatedly over
a period of six months and about 6,000 miles, in my vehicle.
But the RAM was not the issue, ultimately. And I did get a
degree of satisfaction finally when I talked about the matter
direct with Apple support and they agreed to not have the
inComp people re-troubleshoot the computer, and instead
of me driving another thousands of miles fruitlessly to leave
the computer a week or two, for them to see if it would act
up as it did when I used it at home, the inCompUSA techs
were directed to replace the logic board with one Apple sent.
And that made three logic boards befuddled by inCompUSA.
The PC3200-DDR400 RAM should work in place of the
PC2700-DDR333 184-pin RAM, if the PC3200-DDR400
is of the same voltage and other specifications needed
by the eMac to work correctly. While, iMac G4 USB2.0
I have uses the same 184-pin (one) in the factory slot;
however it varies in the fact a second RAM chip in this
different unit is a 200-pin low-heat chip such as the last
iBook G4 mid-2005 would use as an upgrade chip.
And according to Mactracker database, among others
the aftermarket and later day RAM specs for the eMac
and iMac G4 USB2.0 computers show 2 GB total now.
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bubblewrap and stiff cardboards inside, plus international
first class postage, the offer to get two PC3200 chips is
a good one. Or go to a PC shop with a printout of the
RAM specs for the PC2700-DDR333 RAM, and get some
such as one of the PC brands would have used; since
the only real issue may be in the speed or voltage and
a few details written in the specifications on the correct
RAM. And I mean information other than the large print.
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the PC2700-DR333 chips, of 167MHz speed for eMac
and iMac G4 USB 2.0 (iMac second chip is a SODIMM.)
TransInternational Apple memory upgrades:
http://www.transintl.com/store/category.cfm?Category=1
http://www.transintl.com/store/category.cfm?Category=2497
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http://eshop.macsales.com/MyOWC/Models.cfm?Family=emac&sType=Memory
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• http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/2700DDR1024/
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policy if a company mistakenly sends the wrong ram, that I
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If I up this to 3 sticks = 1.5GB, I'm afraid that the automatic BIOS settings will still come out to DDR200, which means that I have to underclock this manually. If so, what settings should I use? Is it sufficient to change only the DDR400 setting to DDR333, and leave everything else the same? Or should I use the timing settings from the Samsung docs, as if I were running true DDR333? The settings vary, however, depending on the exact model number, so I'm not sure which ones I would pick.
I can't afford to be running with an unstable machine, so I can't just try a bunch of settings, dreading a system lock with each one. At the same time, though, I don't want to be overly conservative in my estimates, and rob myself of needed processing speed.
Then again, perhaps I should be considering whether the machine will be faster with 1GB of DDR400 or 1.5GB or DDR333. I want to use more for a ram disk, etc., which will have some impact on speed. The extra memory will make setting this up simpler. Then again, I'm not usually running so many programs that I would "run out" of memory with 1GB. Even when I use Photoshop Elements, I can open a couple dozen pictures before it starts to bog down.
I appreciate any guidance that you can give me.
-=> Mike Hanson

unless you encounter stability problems.
The bios should read the spd information on the memory and set the correct settings for you memory. Now unfortunately this doesn't work for everyone, hence the manual settings option.
More aggressive settings can give slightly better performance in benchmarks but probably no real world gains and could sacrifice some degree of stability.
If with auto settings you experience stability problems then you would wanto go with less aggresive settings (higher numbers) for instance I run auto (2,3,2,6) with out problems. But if I did have stability problems then it is recomended that I run at (2,4,2,6)
Explanation of (x,x,x,x) in order as listed:
CAS # Latency = 2 clocks
RAS # to CAS # Delay = 3 clocks
RAS # Precharge = 2 clocks
Cycle Time (Tras) = 6 clocks
The lower the settings the more aggressive, the higher, the more conservative (more stable).
One more thing, I would not overclock if stability is #1 on your priority list.
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Ofcourse I would like this to run also @ 400 MHZ.
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Just wondering if anyone knows the link to the webpage that shows the rams with speeds greater than PC3200 that are compatible with MSI Neo2 FISH2R.
Thanks in advance.

what better way to know compatibility than to ask the people here who have tested it in their system?
i was going to make a new topic, but this seems fitting; short of reading everyone's signature, it'd be nice if people post:
ram brand/model (chipset)
speed (example PC3200 or DDR400)
ram spd (ex 2.5-4-4-8)
current ram timing (ex 2-3-3-6)
current fsb speed (ex 215)
current ddr speed (ex auto or 1:1)
rated ram voltage (ex 2.6v) (aka manufacturer's value / can be read using speedfan in [Info] tab / DIMM info / "Levels")
current ram voltage (ex 2.7v)
performance mode (ex slow, fast, etc)
pat enabled/disabled ? (use memtest86+ or cpu-z)
passed Windows Memory Diagnostic (WMD) ?
passed MemTest86+ ?
passed over-nite stress/torture test? (use prime95, etc)
"current" could also mean max value tested to be ok.
i'll start:
generic samsung (purchased at buyaib.com)
PC3200 (sold as PC3500 )
spd: 2.5-3-3-8
current ram timing: 2.5-3-3-8 (anything less = )
current fsb speed: 216 (anything higher = ram error)
current ddr speed: auto
rated ram voltage: 2.5v
current ram voltage: 2.6v
performance mode: fast
pat: enabled
passed memtest86+.
failed WDM. (i can't get this thing to pass any test on my MB. i even tried kingston value ram at 3-4-4-8)
passed over-nite stress test.

Ram question for K8N Neo2 Platinum

Hi all. I have the above mentioned motherboard in my system, with 2 x 512mb of DDR400 ram installed. I want to upgrade to 2gb at some stage in the near future, and was wondering if I can throw another two sticks of 512 in, or will I have to get 2 x 1gb sticks?
Cheers.

4x512MB stick works, however not guaranteed to run att full speed DDR400 ( depending on what CPU model / RAM controller - winchester/Venice/Opteron etc.). In general the later cpu models handles 4 sticks better then the older.
If not the CPU onboard RAM controller is up for the task, the RAM will run at 333mhz speed and give some worse performance compared to DR400 1T setting, however you will still enjoy the 2GB performance compared to 1GB 1T setting, when using application that use that much RAM.
Best would be 2x1024 sticks, to be sure about getting DDR400 speed 1T setting, but it could be worth trying adding another two 512MB of same model, because of the lower cost and set DDR400 ( 200mhz) manual in bios and increase RAM+CPU voltage some.
( Syar´s Easybios 1C3 is a good and stable biosversion that sets RAM voltage to 2.75v and some other RAM settings as good levels as default.)
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=59711.0
Some time ago, I did run 4x512 stick at DDR400 2T speed with a Winchester and Venice cpu, but suffered from less OC potential, compared with 2 sticks.
With my new opteron cpu, I can have a good OC with same 4 sticks of RAM, so for me it´s clearly a big differance between the "desktop" and "server" cpu models, and how they handle RAM.

HIGH DENSITY RAM

HI ALL,
I HAVE A K8N NEO PLATINUM BOARD AND AM LOOKING TO INSTALL HIGH DENSITY RAM. I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE NFORCE 3 250Gb CHIPSET IS COMPATIBLE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ALL ON THIS SUBJECT AND ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO USE HIGH DENSITY RAM. THE RAM IS THE SAME AS YOU SEE ON EBAY(1GB MODULE).
THANKS TO ALL WHO CAN LEND A HELPING HAND.

ok, there is no such thing as a high density RAM. i really think that the seller put up that high density crap to lure the customers. what you have there is regular PC3200(DDR400) RAM. any type of DDR-RAM will work with your mobo, as long as it's DDR.
DDR2 or SDR or RD-RAM does not work on your mobo. so just make sure you won't buy one of those.
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