KT3 Ultra2 AMD 2800+ won't boot at 166 fsb

Hello guys / girls,
I've searched the database multiple times for this, but couldn't find anyone with the same problem:
My computer won't boot into windows or linux at fsb 166, it crashes during starting of the OS. When I reduce the fsb to 160, everything runs fine. First I thought it was the processor which would get too hot, but it's not getting too hot, only 27 C idle!!! The proc is designed to run at 333 / 2 = 166 mhz fsb so I don't see what's going wrong...
My specs:
KT3 Ultra2 mainboard
AMD 2800+ proc
noname psu: +3.3 28 A, +5 30 A, +12 15 A
Thermaltake volcano 7+ fan at low speed, gives proc temp of 27 deg. C idle
Kingston DDR-SDRAM PC3200 - 512 MBytes
CPU-Z info: http://bootje.servebeer.com/transfer/cpuz.htm

But why is it working at an fsb of 160 mhz?? I am using that configuration now, and no problem. The problems start when I increase the fsb to 162 or higher...
Also, according to the guy who sold me the memory, the memory should also work at 333 mhz.
Before I had an XP2800+ proc, I had a XP1700+ proc, which ran at a default fsb of 133 (tweaked to 140 (of course)), with the same configuration as I have now, and no problems at all... So the memory then ran at 266 mhz, thats even lower than 333... But i'll give it a go with different memory, but I can only do that after the weekend (roommate with other memory is gone for the weekend...)
Anyone other suggestions what the problem could be??

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Quote from: Juank1 on 10-April-11, 10:26:37
umm have you connected the power cable for CPU? sounds rare question for me, sorry .. All I know is CPU is seated into socket where get power. Power ATX 24 pin power connector to mainboard is properly connected. or are you talking about ATX 8 Pin power connector JPWR2? is it that?
. Also I tried and clear CMOS just using 1 stick RAM the slot close to CPU. nothing got it. Debug LED FF . no signs of CPU no debug Led Must see CPU LEDs On . as for me trouble is on CPU or motherboard. when you install CPU did you push hard down and closing lever? I installed CPU like manual say completely embedded into socket and closing lever I didn't pushed . Have To push hard it? what you think about? I 'll Try tomorrow removing motherboard and reinstall Properly as I did and everything back again.
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or are you talking about ATX 8 Pin power connector JPWR2? is it that?
yes

KT3 Ultra2/AMD/RAM problems.

Okay, this is my first time taking it to a forum for help, so dont let me down guys.
Im a tech at DrComputers in Oklahoma, right now Im stumped with a problem that I have seen twice. It all has to deal with the Kt3 Ultra2 board, 2000+ or 2200+ AMD XP, and Samsung 512 2700 ddr sticks.
Here is the lay out, the board is ground mounted, meaning no case and a rubber/foam layer below it, CPU has a large heatsink on it, more then it needs. There are no other devices attached to it other then a vid card, no hdd's, no fd's, no cdroms. As for the RAM, I have two sticks of 512 of Samsung 2700.
It will not hold a host clock speed of 133, but it stays fine at 100. I have changed the DRAM timing as shown.
SDR timing by User
Sdram frequency HCLK+33
sdram case latency 2
Row Precharge time 2t
RAS Pulse Width 5t
RAS to CAS delay 3t
SDRAM band interleave 4 way
SDram burst lenght 4 qw
SDRAM 1t command Enabled
Fast Command Ultra
I have changed those values to the other ones, and it wont hold the memory nor the CPU posted speed. All it will tell me is 512 megs and 1500+ XP.
And I have flashed the BIOS.
Thank you if you can help me, I just need it that bad.

umm...i have my KT3 ultra w running at Ultra +HCLK+33 and max mem timings...you should put your foot back in your mouth :]
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Originally posted by modelt
This board will probably not function with timing set to ULTRA and memory function set to HCLK+33. This equates to very aggressive timings that most memory cannot run. Set timing to FAST and memory to HCLK.
HCLK+33 sets memory bus to 166 MHz (DDR333) but the bus between the CPU and memory controller is still at 133 MHz. From what I have read and talking to other users the HCLK+33 only gives at most 3 to 7 % increase in memory benchmarks but most do not notice any increase in normal programs or games.

KT3 Ultra2-R ... Can't change FSB beyond 100

Dear all,
Just got my KT3 Ultra2-R with an Athlon XP2100, upgraded to 5.7 AMI BIOS, worked great, then made some changes to CMOS (forgot which ones), then couldn't boot.
When I finally booted and went to CMOS setup, it would not let me change the FSB to anything other than 100...that is, no options on the FSB when I hit enter (shrug).
Now, my system recognizes the CPU as an AMD XP 1500...blah. Tried everything...resetting CMOS with jumper, took out computer battery, replace 350 SmartBlue PSU with 400 Watt PSU, replaced Heatsink/cooler with better one, wiped contacts, nothing...it's not the temps, because my case idles at 29C chassis and 36C CPU temps. Even reflashed back to BIOS version 5.6, and still no go.
When I do "performance" settings in CMOS, it will give me 133 FSB, but my system will now be unstable. Weird thing was, before this "event", performance setting put it at 166 FSB :(
Anyway, my comp isn't dead....it just won't let me change the FSB. I called up ABS Computers where I bought this, and they said they are not responsible for damage caused from flashing BIOS...blah, whatever.
I just put out an order for an Asus A7N8X Deluxe motherboard and joined the NForce2 bandwagon, but if someone could give me some insight into what I could do about my motherboard, besides hang it on my wall, I'd certainly appreciate it.
Here are specs of my system:
MSI Kt3 Ultra2-R
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Nexus Heatsink/Fan
Windows XP Home

Thanks for the reply, but while checking out the other problem with the KT4V / Athlon 2400 Clock Speed Problem (above) who couldn't set his FSB beyond 100, but when he set it the multiplier to 12.5/13, he gets a 20X multiplier when he goes into Fuzzy Logic.
Well, guess what, I did the same thing (set my CPU multiplier in BIOS to 12.5/13, and lo and behold, I go into fuzzy logic, and my AMD XP 2100 is recognized as an AMD XP2600 running at 2000 megahertz...now someone explain that to me! I even check with SiSandra, and yup, it's seeing a 2000 megahertz processor. I even ran the benchmark tests on SiSandra, and it's on par with that processor.
However, my FSB is only 100, and thus, my memory benchmarks are about 25% below the norm for my DDR333 RAM chips (i guess because they are synchronized with the FSB, and probably running at 200 then).
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System won't boot after increased FSB to 166

I have a K7n2 board with AMD 2100+. The system was working fine until, i increased the FSB to 166. Now when i turn on the system, no beep sound and no video at all. There are power to all of the orther components. I cleared the cmos, nothing happen when i powered up. I have another system, with ECS and AMD 1800+. I swapped the CPU between the two systems. Placing the 1800+ in the K7n2, the system boot up fine. But, the board recogninzing the CPU as AMD(tm) Athlon XP 1924 mhz. It is supposed to be only 1.53 mhz. The system run fine. When placing the 2100+ back in, it won't boot.
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Kt3 ultra2 ARU 6380e won't run 133 fsb

hello everyone
i'm an unhappy owner of a kt3Ultra2.
maybe someone can help me with a problem i'm having. i can't seem to increase the front side bus speed to the necessary speed so that my AMD processor registers at a 1800+ 1533mhz. the bus is set at 100mhz in the BIOS and setting to 133 causes system instability and crashing. windows never loads and the computer clicks off even within the BIOS or POST. i can clock the fsb to somewhere around 120 using fuzzy logic but nowhere near 133 before instability occurs. i've tested the temperature ratings using the BIOS by powering on after leaving the system off for a while and the temperature raises to about 54c at 133mhz which is well within normal range. unless the board is giving me a bad temperature readout this board cannot be shutting down due to overheating. the PSU is well within the required range. however the manual specifies that ddr2700 is supposed to be used with this board. would replacing my memory with 2700 allow me to raise the fsb to 133? i'm stumped.
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KT3 ULTRA2 Trouble, please help me

I have a big problem with my new computer. I have purchased a new pc. And it won´t work. The D-bracket hangs on memory test. IT won´t lighten the monitor and if i press reset it will beep three long beeps.
I have got a new motherbord because the first was broken and i have tested another memory and that didn´t help. And my memory works in another computer. I have tested the harddrive and the graphic card and they work too. I have tested with my other power supply too but same problem and that is a 300W power supply. But i haven´t tested the CPU because i don´t have another computer to test it in.
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Originally posted by wonkanoby
get a descent psu with 180 or better still over 200 watts 3.3 and 5v combined ,read sticky ,but it not likley to boot with that psu at all
cooler clip and step face psu?
thats BS
sorry but i have the same problem as this guy
on a cold boot i get the beeps and i gotta turn off the PSU from the back and turn it back on to get it too boot
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XP 3000+ "Barton" on MSI KT3 Ultra2?

Hi,
Can I install AMD Athlon XP 3000+ "Barton" (333 Mhz) on the MSI KT3 Ultra2?
According to MSI latest BIOS update v5.7 it should not be a problem.
My specs
* MSI VIA KT3 Ultra2
* AMD Athlon XP 2000+, using 266MHz FSB
* 256MB Kingston PC2700, using 333MHz FSB
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* 1 x 60 GB Maxtor ATA133 7200rpm
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* Windows XP Proff.[/COLOR]
Roger

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KT3 Ultra Series CPU Support Status
Marketing Name KT3 Ultra
Model Name 6380E
PCB Version 1
BIOS Version A6380VMS.570
CPU FSB Ratio Result
Spitfire (0.18u) 100/200MHz FSB
Duron 600 100 6 OK
Duron 650 100 6.5 OK
Duron 700 100 7 OK
Duron 750 100 7.5 OK
Duron 800 100 8 OK
Duron 850 100 8.5 OK
Duron 900 100 9 OK
Duron 950 100 9.5 OK
Duron 1G 100 10 OK
Morgan (0.18u) 100/200MHz FSB
Duron 900 100 9 OK
Duron 950 100 9.5 OK
Duron 1G 100 10 OK
Duron 1.1G 100 11 OK
Duron 1.2G 100 12 OK
Duron 1.3G 100 13 OK
Applebred (0.13um) 133/266MHz FSB
Duron 1400 133 10.5 NO
Duron 1600 133 12 NO
Duron 1800 133 13.5 NO
Thunderbird (0.18um) 100(133)/200(266)MHz FSB
Athlon (Thunderbird) 650 100 6.5 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 700 100 7 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 750 100 7.5 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 800 100 8 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 850 100 8.5 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 900 100 9 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 950 100 9.5 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 1G 100 10 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 1G 133 7.5 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 1.1G 100 11 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 1.13G 133 8.5 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 1.2G 100 12 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 1.2G 133 9 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 1.3G 100 13 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 1.33G 133 10 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 1.4G 100 14 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 1.4G 133 10.5 OK
Palomino (0.18u) 133/266MHz FSB
AthlonXP 1500+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 1600+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 1700+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 1800+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 1900+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 2000+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 2100+ 133 Auto OK
Thoroughbred (0.13u) 133/266MHz FSB
AthlonXP 1700+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 1800+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 1900+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 2000+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 2100+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 2200+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 2400+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 2600+ 133 Auto OK
Thoroughbred (0.13u) 166/333MHz FSB
AthlonXP 2800+ 166 Auto NO
Thorton (0.13u) 133/266MHz FSB 256KB L2 Cache
AthlonXP 2000+ 133 Auto NO
AthlonXP 2200+ 133 Auto NO
AthlonXP 2400+ 133 Auto NO
Thorton (0.13u) 166/333MHz FSB 256KB L2 Cache
AthlonXP 2600+ 166 Auto NO
Barton (0.13u) 166/333MHz FSB 512KB L2 Cache
AthlonXP 2500+ 166 Auto NO
AthlonXP 2800+ 166 Auto NO
AthlonXP 3000+ 166 Auto NO
Barton (0.13u) 200/400MHz FSB 512KB L2 Cache
AthlonXP 3000+ 200 Auto NO
AthlonXP 3200+ 200 Auto NO
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2 THUMBS UP FOR ENERMAX............ )
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"...are there more than one xp 2600+?..." C'mon, didn't you read Dr. Stu's link page ? There are many 2600+ : 133 and 166 FSB. The Thorton, isn't supported, The Tbred. 133 and 166 FSB. are supported, and the Barton 166 FSB are supported. For 166 FSB. CPUs you need to upgrade Bios to ver 5.7 and you need PC 2700 Memory at least, and perhaps a better P.Su.

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Have you tested your hearing? Sorry!
I got a Tbird too, of the 100 kind. There is also a 133 kind. Which is yours?
Has it always been like this, that is, have it ever worked? Normally sound problems are Windows related, but this was odd.
Is there good contact for the speaker cable? Try jerking it a bit, in and out?
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Not an unusual topic I know but I haven't found any solutions in this forum as yet!
With my XP 2000 cpu installed my system is stable when the FSB is overclocked to 150 Mhz. When I install the XP 2500 cpu and set the FSB in the BIOS (latest vertsion) to 166 Mhz it won't access the hard drives at all. My initial thought was the psu so I reduced the system to 1 hdd, 1 DVD rewriter, 256Mb memory and tried again. No change! Then I started reducing the FSB until at 151 Mhz it would boot but as an XP 1900 cpu. The VIA chipset drivers are up to date.
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I can only say, I'm running my KT3 Ultra2 with XP 2800+ without any problem at 333 Mhz. Remember you have to upgrade Bios with ver 5.7 so Mobo can work with a 166 FSB. Also, better try starting with only one memory module. You can take a look at my P.S. specs. on my sig. It's not too good, but enough for this rig. So, don't dispose yet your 2500+, try and tell us how did it go.
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I assembled a system with a KT3 Ultra2-R and an AMD XP 2100+ with 300W CodeGen-PSU.
The system ran well for 4 weeks without any crashes. Because i had the noisy AMD-boxed CPU-cooler, i installed a very silent noiseblocker-CPU-cooler. The first power-on bootet up to initialization of raid-controller an then the system hang.
The next boot, nothing happened: black screen, no beep, nothing. Only the fans are running. I reassembled the hole system x-times now, all with the same result.
I even changed the mobo to a brand new one -> same problem. I changed PSU to a 420 W -> same problem.
The D-Bracket says: 1 & 2 red, 3 & 4 green ("Initializing Hard Drive Controller"). The same result when i deattach everything from the board except PSU (yes: everything). No beep at all...
How can a brand new mobo and a brand new PSU with nothing else attached the same problem as the first mobo with my old PSU?
I have not changed the CPU or Ram yet, but how can the problem be there, when the error occurs when these parts are not attached.
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a new cpu (now only a XP 1800+) took me one step ahead: windows xp is now coming up with a message (white on black) saying that the system tried starting unsuccessfully last time. then there is a choice how to boot now. but even if i choose "safe mode", the pc is booting again...
also, i cant get the floppy to work. in bios, the mobo says, its an 1,44 flopp (correct) but i dont get it in the boot order or boot menu.
so i cant install windows new, because raid-drivers are on the boot disk X(
another hard disk with installed windows xp also comes up the the scrren mentioned above and then hangs with a cursor blinking in the left top cursor of the screen.
i tried another graphic-card: an old "Interactive 3dfx Magix Twin Power": the pc beeps once long an then 3 times short on power on but keeps on booting.
the result is the same as above (pc hangs).
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AMD Sempron 2200+ 1.5 GHz Socket A 333MHz in
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Yes update to BIOS v5.7, BUT the board will recognize it as AthlonXP 1800+ 1.5 GHz. Unless MSI releases an updated BIOS
AMD Sempron™ Processor
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2800+ 2.0 Ghz 256KB (exclusive)
2600+ 1.833 Ghz 256KB (exclusive)
2500+ 1.750 Ghz 256KB (exclusive)
2400+ 1.667 Ghz 256KB (exclusive)
2300+ 1.583 Ghz 256KB (exclusive)
2200+ 1.5 Ghz 256KB (exclusive)

Boot up Delay with KT3 Ultra2

My configuration:
Windows XP
MSI KT3 Ultra2 (Non Raid) MB
AMD XP 2100+
256meg PC2600 Ram
Advansys ABP940UW Ultrawide SCSI card
Intel 10/100 Network card
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Matrox Millinium PCI Graphics card (Temporary)
3x Ultra wide scsi Hard drives
Plextor Ultraplex40 Wide cdrom
Panasonic 7502B CDR
During bootup the machine goes thropugh the post screen 100% after which the scsi bios screen appears as usual. After this I hear another beep followed by 30sec to 1 minute of black screen after which the PC boots normally. I am thinking it may be some incompatability with the scsi card but can't be sure. The 4 green indicator lights are glowing indicating a good startup but why the pause??? Windows then boots and runs normally.

I'm assuming this is a raid board right? the raid bios initialization is REALLY slow, so that's my best guess, or possibly a driver causing it, I loaded the via raid patch fix and it slowed down my boot process but not by 5-10 seconds.

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