KT3 Ultra2 and Win2k Bug

;( I recently had to return my KT3 Ultra board. Well, not too recently...it took a month. But no biggie, they sent me another. My reseller went bankrupt so I dealt directly with MSI, and they were very profesional.
They sent me a KT3Ultra2.
I just plugged all my hardware up as it was, and I was going. But after a day I have started to notice a problem that is so fiercly aggravating that I am going to chew my arms off. here we go:
*I am running windows 2000 pro. SP3.
*I have an Athlon 1800+,
*1 Maxtor 40GB Hard drive
*ATI 32MB DDR Graphics card(name escapes me, i'm an audio nerd)
*M-Audio Audiophile 2496 soundcard
*M-Audio Oxygen 8 Midi controller connected to onboard USB(not the bracket)
*I am using a PS/2 mouse and kbd.
*1 generic MAG monitor
while running windows, under a load or not under a load, after about 15 minutes at the most, my mouse will lock. the keyboard still works, and the CPU temperature and usage do not increase. My Midi controller still works. In short, everything runs great, but the mouse just won't last past a few minutes without gagging. X( And yes, I know the mouse works because I've swapped it with others
I have APIC turned off in the BIOS, quickboot disabled, and my FSB set at 133MHz, but no other changes have been made.
I don't hae the manual for THIS board, only the last the Ultra, but the BIOS appears identical. I have the optional D-Bracket connected at the point I connected it on the other board. is this the problem? The LED readout was so helpful....anyways, if anyone here has any advice or help, I would really appreciate it. I'm at a loss. I've done a clean install of windows 2000, and other than optimizing for background services and turning ACPI off(necessary for midi-latency reasons), no changes have been made to it. My previous installation of Win2K did the same thing.

no, one is a generic logitech wheel mouse, the other is a microsoft intellimouse. I had no problems with this on the last board. how are these two boards different?

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Synopsis:
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These same systems (the last two) also do not work with an AMI Enterprise 1400 RAID controller BIOS ver. 1.48 (latest version) or an LSI Logic made Mylex controller.
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I feel your pain buddy !!! it's the same thing for me. I just got a LSI-22320 and I going through the same troubles. I was really looking forward to having this nice card in my system, only to find out it would not even let the system boot. I took the card out and pluged it in my Mom's older than dirt computer and IT WORKS !!... This was a very disapointing experience to say the least....
Well, if you do here something good, please let me know...
P.S. Your SCSI-brother in pain :
Eli
[email protected]

Help...KT3-Ultra2 and Hard drive problems

Hello, I'm new to this board. I've been having an issue with hard drives lately. I have an MSI KT3-ultra2 with the latest BIOS version installed. I recently had a hard drive get completely erased and the actually size of it (10gig) had changed to 1 gig. Just prior to that I got a corrupted file error in a game I was playing. (The 10gig HD was a storage drive). My main drive (Maxtor 40gig) started to clunk and whine and then eventually the computer would lock up hard. I assumed the HD was going bad and was the cause of all the corruption. So I went and bought a new WD Hard drive 80 gig. Had it for about 2 weeks now and now all of a sudden I'm getting a similar clicking noise and a whine and then it locks up on me. I can only run my computer for about 10 to 20 minutes before it locks up. I have changed IDE cables to see if they were the cause and that didn't solve the problem. I've also disconnected all my CD drives and still nothing. I am going to take a guess and assume there is something wrong with my MB. IDE controler perhaps? Can anyone help me with this or confirm my thoughts on the situation? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks

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I get crappy scores in 3dMark2001 SE and I have the infamous stuttering/crashing problems in 3D games. I've tried pretty much every configuration of settings and drivers I can think of.
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1. As regards the Bios issue, according to this thread https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threadid=70205 the KT3 Ultra2 can use HDD >137Gb and would have no probs with a 200 or 250Gb HDD. Is this correct?
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https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threadid=71126&hilight=hard+disk
http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/faq/137_winxp.html#trad
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http://support.microsoft.com/kb/303013
So in my case I have XP SP1 with Atapi.sys version 5.1.2600.1106, therefore I would need to apply Microsoft Knowledge Base article 331958 , referred to in kb303013 above.
This would in the first instance update my Atapi.sys version to the required one ie v1135 (or later). Am I correct in my understanding please?
I have not upgraded my HDD yet but would like to be clear on these issues before taking the plunge.

Thanks for your reply Wonkanoby. I have read several of your posts that say exactly the same thing ie XP with SP1 integrated is fine.
Any thoughts on what the MS articles are all about. Sorry to ask, but I just get nervy before upgrades.
Plus I wonder if any other KT3 Ultra2 users can let me know if 250Gb (or any HDD of 200Gb or higher) works on their system.
Many thanks

KT3-Ultra2 and 2400+ CPU

I have a new system I built...
MSI KT3 Ultra2 (MS-6380E) Ver. 1.0 MB
AMD 2400+ CPU
Dr. Thermal Extreme SE CPU Cooler w/Artic Silver III
Antec TruePower 550W PS
512 Meg PC2700 DDR Crucial Ram (Certified to work with Board)
Seagate 10 gig HD
Cardtek GeForce 3 Ti-500
NetGear 100 meg NIC
Sound Blaster Audigy2 Platinum
System booted and loaded XP fine. The original bios was 5.5. The cpu comes up as 1800+ by default. According to MSI web site, to adjust for 2400+ cpu, you set the FSB to 133 and the multiplier to 15. If you do this, the system locks. If you change to FSB133 and keep default multiplier it locks after reboot (will not post). Is there a physical jumper on the board I need to adjust/set?
If I reset back to defaults the system runs perfectly fine...

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step in cooler base is at top by psu?
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Problems with KT3 Ultra2 and Barton 2500+

I have a very big problem.
I buy new Athlon XP2500+ ty my board.
KT3 Ultra2 support 166FBS, but AGP and PCI bus is overclock (83/42) and my system is very instabile. Now using 133FBS. Can I fix bus to 166/66/33???
My configuration:
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Athlon 2500+@1900+ (Barton 11*133, 1,65V)
+ Spire 5F271B1L3 FalconRock II™
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SB Live! Value
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FDD teac
add: 4 april 2004 at 15:17
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Stability configuration si withount SB Live! value and LAN.
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3DMark2001SE build330 - O.K.
SiSoft Sandra 2003 - O.K.(burn-in: CPU and memory test 20time)

what sandra version did you use?
next to temps and psu, please tell us, what bios is installed. barton cpus require version 5.7
"(CL2 at 333, 1.7V)" did you mean 2.7V? cause 1.7V are llittle too low.
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MSI KT3 Ultra2 and S-ATA

I'm wondering if my MSI KT3 Ultra2 with a S-ATA controller card will support S-ATA?
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Problem: KT3 Ultra2 and DMA mode

hi there,
everytime i wanna make an image of a CD with nero or some other CDR progs, it takes years to finish it. i got only a tranfer rate of 800kb/s - 1.400 kb/s (btw: there is no copy protection...this happens even on normal data cds)
i got my HDD and CDRom on IDE1 and my CDR and DVDRom on IDE2
in winXP it tells me:
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0: UltraDMA Mode 5 (Hdd)
1: PIO
IDE2:
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sometimes winXp tells me
that IDE1 device 0 is running in udma 2 mode...but than on the next reboot it's again on pio mode.
i checked the ide cables and changed the CDrom with the CDr and it show me UDMA2 now...but it didn't speed up the transfer rate...it still runs only with ~1.400kb/s :(
maybe the ide cables are corrupt???
apart from that i tried the latest bios drivers for my Mainboard but they didn't seem to solve that prob.
are there any options to check and enable the DMA mode on both IDE channels?
hope someone can help me
TIA
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AMD XP 1800+
MSI KT3 Ulrta 2 latest bios (5.6)
512 DDR Ram
Teac CD-540E
Benq CD-R/RW 24x10x40
Pioneer 104 DVD Rom
latest via 4in1 driver
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Hi,
Try switching your CDRW Drive to Master setting. Sometimes it doesnt like slave.

KT3 Ultra2 And others HDD max Current

ok peeps, new to this forum, but not exactly new to computing...
i tried MSI with this one, but no reply...
can i safely plug a load of 24mA onto the HDD LED header on my MoBo? i know this is a 5v line, and as such i am reluctant to put a high current draw on it, as i just know it will make my important 5v voltage a bit wobbly. should i make a low current switch box to switch the 5v and instead take the current from a 4pin Molex?
incase anyone is wondering, its gonna power 2 TK CoolMod fans, which are 12mA per fan (for the HD Activity LEDs anyway) i am gonna mod the power lights onto a 4pin Molex anyway, as i really really dont want lots of 5v load...
oh, and i have a 400W HyperX PSU
there is also, 1 dual channel cold cathode inverter, with 12" cathodes, the 2 TK Smart Fan][s, and a third one on the CPU, two 80mm LED'd case fans (intake) and a cute little CoolerMaster active northbridge fan cooler that i made from an old p3 heatsink i had lying around!

ok thanks for the information.... however i am a total n00b when it comes to even slightly advanced electronics. i can make switch boxes, and turn LEDs on and off allong with fans and the like, but much past that and i am lost, i can solder very well thou! ok, if i follow the AND gate route, and i put 5V in one input, and the HDD 3V (or whatever), will i get 8V at the output? if so, would i have to put 2V in instead, to get my 5V output?
the transistor method also sounds pretty easy, however all the cuircuts i have seen using transistors have had capacitors in them connecting to ground and such like... is it really as easy as u suggested? any PNP tranie that can take the voltage and current draw would work?
anyway, you have been hugely helpful so far! i thought i would have to make a switch box. i have ages to do this mod anyway, i still havent got my MoBo back from RMA ;(

Msi kt3 ultra2-c. have someone got it?;]

i have search this forum but i dont found.....
does kt3ultra2-c support duron 1400,1600,1800??
and how look overclocking on this MB? can i safely change fsb to 166??

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_cpu_support_detail.php?UID=357&kind=1
But: Support for new Duron 1400, 1600, 1800 with 266MHz FSB
Quote from user DisappearPoint:
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Kt3 Ultra2 + Duron 1400MHz + bios 5.7 works correctly.
And from user letoii:
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these chips work fine, in anythign that supports a thoroughbred Go to the top of this page
these chips work just fine. they just are not detected as a proper duron 1600 or what ever. they will detect as an Athlon XP 1900+. Make sure to set the FSB to 133mhz.
These are boards that I have used the chips in:
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6378V3
Kt3Ultra
Kt3Ultra2
KT4Ultra
KT4AVL
745Ultra
and a bunch of others
i think that MSI just doesnt want to update the BIOS for all their old boards
sos that the CPUs are properly identified.
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can i safely change fsb to 166?
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KT3 Ultra2 Problems. Baby Steps. Question 1: Volume controls

The volume control window in Windows XP Pro is using the "wave" file volume slider, not my "CDplayer" volume slider. I checked to make sure that I have set the CD-player to use analogue sound. Is this normal?
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Bluegenes
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KT3 Ultra2 R and VGA problem

I wonder if I could please get some ideas as regard this rather odd problem which I am encountering. This problem occurs when while the pc is 'shut down' if I disconnect the power supply ie switch off power by way of the switch on the psu. When I switch power back on again and boot, the pc begins its booting sequence it begins to launch windows and then it stops and a little red square (with a bit of green) appears in the top left hand corner of the screen. Now this problem does not occur if I shut down the pc normally (but don't cut off power supply). I have several partitions on my HDD and they are all affect at the same time. The end result is that I boot into safe mode I look at the refresh rate which is set to 'unknown' change it to 'adapter default' then reboot but upon reboot I get windows displaying screen at 640x480 with standard vga colours. I check in device manager under 'display adapters' what driver it's showing and it's the driver which I last loaded ie the correct one. I cannot change screen resolution , bit colour and the refresh rate only allows for 2 options, either 'optimal' or 'adapter default'. In order to get back to where I was, I have to remove and re-install my VGA driver and then everyting is back to normal (until I switch off power again at psu then back to square one). I have spoken to the manufacturers of the graphics card and they say that if the card works ok when I shut down pc normally and restart then cannot be the card. I described my problem in greater detail to MSI support and they said either VGA or O/S.
In essence I wanted to isolate the problem to, is it 'hardware or 'software'.
I would be grateful if anyone can shed some light.
KT3 Ultra2 R (5.5 not the right one but the cpu clock speed is correct at post)
XP 2600+ 333 T'Bred
Crucial 512 Mb PC 2700
Leadted Ti 4400 128 MB Vivo (det 44.03)
Creative Audigy
Enermax 432W
Windows 98SE (via 4-1 v 4.34)
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Odd as it might seem I have to follow the proceedure listed below if I want to switch off power altogether to work on my pc.
1. Cold boot system with 166FSB and let O/S install
2. Reboot enter Bios and reduce FSB to 133 make sure to set memory speed as HCLK and let O/S load
3. Shut down and switch off power supply
4. Reconnect power and boot system. Enter bios set FSB to 166 (the mem speed will be HCLK)
5. System continues to boot and loads O/S
From that point on, cold boots (without cutting power supply) are not problematic as once the 166FSB is 'registered' everything works ok (at every cold boot). So anytime I wanna work on my pc I guess I have to do the above 5 steps. They seem to work but need to try it out a few more times before I am confident that this process will always work.
I am sure you agree that this is one strange mother of a problem.
I suppose the only 2 things left are a total O/S reload or trying another 333 cpu because I have tried everything else. I guess I will have to live with it.
I have also cut some additional front vents so that front fan draws more air in and it appears to have dropped my idle Temp to 40.5C on CPU (running at clock 2083Mhz).
As as said earlier in my post my system ran perfectly with XP2000+ and 512Mb PC2100. I merely upgraded the CPU to XP2600 and mem to PC2700 and it has thrown up this very odd problem. And to boot (if you will pardon the expression) when I first installed new CPU and memory it booted first time at 166FSB. osnavi, in case you upgrade your CPU to a XP2600 and you get this weird problem at least you can come back to to this thread and find this workaround.
I wonder if anyone can fathom out why this is happening.......If not as I said I can live with it.
wonkanoby, I will try the link to the memtest. That is the only thing I have not tested so will give that a try.
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