KT3 Ultra2 Motherboard questions
Hi again - I decided to dig through my computer parts containers and found enough to build a backup PC using my MSI KT3 Ultra 2 motherboard and an AMD Athlon XP 2000+ CPU.
I haven't run this motherboard and CPU for at least three years, maybe more. There's 500 MB of PC2700 RAM.
Right now the Front Side Bus is set at 100. I recall that it used to be higher than that, but I am not sure. The manual doesn't specify it, or possibly I just can't find it.
Question 1 - What is the maximum FSB setting for this motherboard and the CPU I am using?
Here are the specs:
Motherboard ID 62-0224-009999-00101111-040201-VIA_K7$1AARK204_A6380VMS V5.7 022403
Motherboard Name MSI KT3 Ultra2 (MS-6380E)
Front Side Bus Properties
Bus Type DEC Alpha EV6
Bus Width 64-bit
Real Clock 100 MHz (DDR)
Effective Clock 200 MHz
Bandwidth 1600 MB/s
Memory Bus Properties
Bus Type DDR SDRAM
Bus Width 64-bit
Real Clock 167 MHz (DDR)
Effective Clock 333 MHz
Bandwidth 2667 MB/s
Chipset Bus Properties
Bus Type VIA V-Link
Bus Width 8-bit
Real Clock 67 MHz (QDR)
Effective Clock 267 MHz
Bandwidth 267 MB/s
Motherboard Physical Info
CPU Sockets/Slots 1
Expansion Slots 5 PCI, 1 AGP, 1 CNR
RAM Slots 3 DIMM
Integrated Devices Audio
Form Factor ATX
Motherboard Size 230 mm x 300 mm
Motherboard Chipset KT333
North Bridge VIA VT8367 Apollo KT333
CPU Properties
CPU Type AMD Athlon XP, 1250 MHz (12.5 x 100)
CPU Alias Palomino
CPU Stepping A5
Instruction Set x86, MMX, 3DNow!, SSE
L1 Code Cache 64 KB
L1 Data Cache 64 KB
L2 Cache 256 KB (On-Die, Full-Speed)
CPU Physical Info
Package Type 453 Pin PGA
Package Size 4.95 cm x 4.95 cm
Transistors 37.5 million
Process Technology 6Mi, 0.18 um, CMOS, Cu
Die Size 128 mm2
Core Voltage 1.75 V
I/O Voltage 1.6 V
Typical Power 41.3 - 64.3 W (depending on clock speed)
Maximum Power 46.1 - 72 W (depending on clock speed)
Thanks
Joe
With that Palamino CPU it should be set for 133 (266) FSB.
Edit: If it's not in your paper manual look in the download PDF English version on page 3-28 to set it.
http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=manual&maincat_no=1&prod_no=497
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Hi,
I just bought MSI KT3 ULTRA2 -Sound Motherboard
and for the RAM, I want to buy:
TOSHIBA 1.0GB ECC Registered DDR SDRAM DIMM (Toshiba model: THMD1GE0SB80 (PC1600) 128Mx72)
(for detail of the RAM, please read at: http://www.toshiba.com/taec/components/Datasheet/THMD1GE0SBxx-010702.pdf )
Do you guys know if that RAM is supported by MSI KT3 ULTRA2?
Thanks a lotAnd beside, I'm building that computer with:
Mother Board : MSI KT3 Ultra2
Processor: AMD Athlon 1800+ XP
HDD : Western Union wb1000 100 gigs 7200
RAM: Toshiba 1 gigs pc 1600 ECC registered (still in doubt if I can use that)
Video Card: any suggestion? I'm thinking ATI radeon 9000 128 megs DDR, it's not that great, but I dont need a really good video card, I work most of the time
CASE: any suggestion?
Cooler: suggestion?
CD-R: 48x16x48 Asus
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KT3 Ultra2 Problem/Question
Ok, no problem with *NORMAL* working situation.
AMD AthlonXP 2000+ (P.S. LOCKED)
KT3 Ultra2-R
512 MB Kingston PC2700 DDR @ 333Mhz
Leadtek A250 LE 64MB DDR
Enlight 420W PSU
+5v 40A
+3.3v 30A
Problem: I cannot change the ratio of the processor, if I did that then the computer won't start without any beep/screen.
The debug light hung on the IDE detection, but something more weird is before IDE detection there are few more tests need to be pass but it directly going to IDE detection from memory detection. What's wrong?
I need to clear BIOS to make it start again, even I did try lower my ratio.
Is that my processor lock cause this?
Question: Ok, I did search the whole forum, but still cannot find any thread that specified the right divide of FSB/AGP/PCI (Above 133MHz). Does MSI never tell outside how they work on it or what?
Thanks! Anything I missed?I was able to use my Xp 1600 at the 166 FSB (locked) 166x10.5=1743 Mhz no problem on this board (KT3 Ultra 2). 166 FSB will probably be your sweet spot.
Here is my Madonion Score (12.5K):
http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4427245
I ulocked the chip and have managed 11x166 so far. Now my PC 2100 memory is probably the holdback.
Hey Wonka, what is the highest FSB you've seen somebody clock this board sucessfully at? Do you think if I get PC 3200 mem I'll be able to go to higher fsb than 170? (this board does not work around the 6x mult. point/ 200FSB it can be adjusted to, does it?)
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Good old MSI KT3 Ultra2CE motherboard questions
Hello. I just found my old computer and want to upgrade the CPU and RAM. This is a very good internet-computer. My english is not that good since I am from Skandinavia. But here we go
The motherboard is KT3 ULTRA 2CE (MS-6380E VER:1.0) with:
-VIA KT266/333 chipset
-BIOS 5.7
-ATi Radeon 9200 SE grapics
-AMD AthlonXP 2100+ cpu
-1x512mb ram
Can I fit the AMD AthlonXP 3000+ CPU without any problems? Is this the maximum CPU upgrade?
Can I fit 3x 1GB DIMM DDR SDRAM PC2100 266fsb/266mhz LOW density 184pin NON ECC 2.5v CL3? Is 3x1GB the maximum Gigabyte RAM on this MB?
Would be very nice if someone could answer me with 100% certainty. Dont want to spend money on items thats not going to work on this motherboard.
ThanksQuote from: Bas on 31-December-09, 21:38:38
http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/chipsets/legacy/kt333/
It can handle upto 4GB memory, however, it won't support just any memory.
You have to ask the memory manufacturer if it will work, as at the time of release of the chipset those large sticks where not on the market.
Nor could MSI test anything above 512MB.
So your only way of knowing is either asking VIA or the memory-manyfacturer, I doubt MSI will test it as it's a very old board.
Thanks for you reply. So it's 100% certain that my MSI KT3 ULTRA2 can handle 3x1gb memory?
I will ask the memory manufactor if he got any memory that is compitable with my via-chipset. Glad I only ordered 1 stick to test it out before ordering more. -
MOVED: Good old MSI KT3 Ultra2CE motherboard questions
This topic has been moved to Retired motherboards.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=133214.0Quote from: Bas on 31-December-09, 21:38:38
http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/chipsets/legacy/kt333/
It can handle upto 4GB memory, however, it won't support just any memory.
You have to ask the memory manufacturer if it will work, as at the time of release of the chipset those large sticks where not on the market.
Nor could MSI test anything above 512MB.
So your only way of knowing is either asking VIA or the memory-manyfacturer, I doubt MSI will test it as it's a very old board.
Thanks for you reply. So it's 100% certain that my MSI KT3 ULTRA2 can handle 3x1gb memory?
I will ask the memory manufactor if he got any memory that is compitable with my via-chipset. Glad I only ordered 1 stick to test it out before ordering more. -
Problems posting with KT3 Ultra2 Motherboard
I just purchased a MSI KT3 Ultra2 ATX motherboard as an upgrade. After
installing it an all the components, I had difficulty booting at
times. I would get boot error beeps, specifically two short ones, than
8 long ones. The D-Bracket would initialize, however it would stop and
fail at "Boot Attempt" - the first D-Bracket 2 light is lit up red.
I though I had a problem with the power supply, which was 250 watts,
so I changed it to another one. I was able to boot up the system a
couple of times just fine (get to the bios screen and past it),
install the OS, however after turning it off and trying to turn it
back on, it would not work. After I changed the power supply the
problem was constant and now i cannot even get to the bios screen at
all. Before when the system was running it was fine, no errors and I
kept it on for about 10 hours with no problems at all.
My other specs include:
Antec 300 watt ATX (with 12V thing for P4, but not attached)
MSI Geforce4 mx440 card
512 Meggs Samsung 2700 SRAM 1-dimm
IBM ATA66 Hard drive
Floppy drive
Athlon XP 1800+ Boxed (using the retail CPU fan)
Now every once in a while I get to the bios screen after which the system runs fine, but most of the time I get these beeps. I tried moving around everything and the system is barebone.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
Thank you,
GeorgeHi,
Read the top articles on trouble shooting....
Anyway, it could still be your PSU, borrow one from a friend and try again..... -
Working KT3-Ultra2 System suddenly will not post!
Problem: After working fine for two weeks, my new system with a KT3 Ultra 2 mobo does not boot or POST. After pressing the power button, the power light comes on, the hard disk spins up, and then nothing else happens. The D-Bracket LEDs are in the RRGG layout, indicating that it is initializing the drive controller, but I suspect it is not getting that far as the lights come on in this state as soon as the system is powered.
This system was working fine for two weeks before this happened. It has NEVER been overclocked. I have tried reseating the hard disk connectors and all the AGP/PCI cards, as well as clearing the CMOS . My system configuration is:
Ducted case for effective cooling with a 350 Watt Power Supply
KT3 Ultra2 Motherboard
AMD Athlon XP 2000 CPU with AMD heatsink/fan
1024 MB of PC 2700 RAM (2x512)
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro AGP video adapter
Netgear PCI Ethernet Adapter
Windows XP Professional
I have no idea where to go from here, anyone with ideas please help!!!
-james puckettQuote
Originally posted by maesus
You have to clear the CMOS, and 100% make sure it's really cleared. ie, removing battery, discharge all capacitors on the board (with power off and power cord attached for 5 minutes), unplug power cord, set the CMOS jumper to reset for couple of minutes... etc
Yes, I have done all of that. -
Forcing cas3 on KT3 ultra2 mobo?
is there anyway of unhiding or making a cas3 selection on the MSI KT3 ultra2 motherboard? im already running bios 5.7, 2x512meg pc3200 in slot 1 and 3 (1 and 2 wouldnt even boot)
as a rule you set memmory timmings to manual
then pick what you want
can you not do that ?
http://forums.pcper.com/showindex.php?s=&threadid=124482
the guide has allways lead mre to think you can though ive never used the board -
KT3 Ultra2 R & memory question
I wanted to get some PC3200 memory for this motherboard. I was looking at Crucial PC3200 modules which are all rated CL3. However, the bios settings for the KT3 Ultra2 only shows CL settings of either 2 or 2.5. Of course I am aware that this board will only officially tolerate PC2700.
Presumably, if I bought the Crucial CL3, I would have to set the CL setting in the bios to 2.5. I wonder if someone could let me know if the crucial CL3 are going to work without ill effects or adversely affecting the rest of my set up; or if I should go for some other make of memory like the Corsair (value line).
Many thanks for any help you can provideCL3 @ 400MHz must be able to hold CL 2.5 @ 333MHz
(3x5ns=15ns, 15ns/6ns=2.5).
Besides, the fact the manual setting only allows 2 and 2.5 doesn't mean that if set to SPD the module won't run at it's correct ratings. -
KT3 Ultra2-CL power suppy question
Hi,
In the manual of the KT3 Ultra2-CL (page 2-8) is shown "JWP1" as ATX 12V power connector, used to provide power to the CPU.
My question: Can I also use a ATX power supply without this 4-pin connector with this board? ?(
JanHi,
Don't flash a BIOS of another board into yours, it can give strange results....
As for the specs, they where written at the time of the mobo's development and they can change if newer BIOS'ses surface... -
KT3 Ultra2 Problems. Baby Steps. Question 1: Volume controls
The volume control window in Windows XP Pro is using the "wave" file volume slider, not my "CDplayer" volume slider. I checked to make sure that I have set the CD-player to use analogue sound. Is this normal?
Lite-on 48X24X48 CDRW
MSI Ultra2 (no raid)
Onboard sound AC97
Fresh clean WinXP install
ThanksBluegenes
Just wanted to let you know that I have experienced the same characteristic on a Kt3 Ultra2 and onboard audio. I have also noticed a similar situation with Windows XP using a Creative SB Live 5.1 on a K7M mobo and a Santa Cruz sound card on an A7V333 mobo.
I will also be interested in finding out how to make a change to enable controlling the audio level on the analogue CD ROM input. I believe it is a Win XP issue and not an issue with the KT3 Ultra2 onboard audio or its associated driver.
Iceberg -
Problems w/ KT3 Ultra2 w/R
I think the best thing to do it's to explain the problem from the beginning.
A couple of months ago I bought my computer by components and put it togheter myself. Everything was fine, but there was a problem. Back then, my mobo was an ABIT KX7333R and it wouldn't boot if I changed the processor speed in the bios (it booted allright with the defalut -XP 1500- but when changed it to the real one -XP 2000- it didn't boot at all). So I used it for about 3 weeks with the default setting (I was too lazy at that moment to change the damn thing) and one night, the computer died while I was using it. Anyway, I assumed twas the mobo, so I requested a RMA from Abit, and had my motherboard replaced. The replacement worked fine for about 10 minutes, and when I was writing an email, puff, died again. At that time I was swearing and cursing, and blamed Abit. By then, I was tired of waiting and everything (just got stressed) so I ordered an MSI KT3 Ultra2 with raid. When I first booted the PC, the motherboard didn't recognized my HDD when I entered the Bios. I tried restarting, but the pc would not respond. So I checked the D-Bracket lights and they say that the problem was in the IDE controller or device. So I replaced my HDD with another one, but nothing happened.
So, my questions are:
1- Am I the guy with the worst luck in the world and got three defective motherboards in a row?
2- Could it be that something else in my PC is causing the problem?
If you have any questions, please post it here and I'll answer them. Here it's my computer components:
Athlon XP 2000
MSI KT3 Ultra2
Gainward GF4 TI4200
SB Audigy Gamer
3COM Ethernet card
Corsair XMS PC2700 512MB (Silver heatspreader)
Turbolink 420W PS
Lite-On CDRW
PS: Sorry for the length...Have you tried with another CPU ? If not, please do so ; or return the CPU for RMA.
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Alright, the problem is that from a cold boot, the systems hangs with loading an OS at 166fsb. The cpu usually runs at 166x10.5 but dropping it down to 166x10 or 9.5 does no good so I know it is not the processor. The ram is 2-512MB sticks of PC3500 hyperx (looking to use this in a newer system and putting pc2700 samsung back in current). There is no setting in the bios that makes it stable (have tried them all in groups of ~5 changes per boot). The psu is an Antec 300w which is only required to power mb, video, nic, 1 hd, 1 cd, and 2-120mm fans so it shouldn't be at fault. The system will simply not boot up using a 166/167/etc fsb (haven't bothered with 152(?)-165 which is the range of the 1/5 divider) until the system has been running for awhile, sooner if I get the system going with a game or something. Then I can reboot and throw the fsb up, stable up to 183. The question, why does it not boot at 166fsb from a power-off state? Latest BIOS. Any ideas?
Currently running at 133x12.5The following was typed up and supposed to be posted last night but comcast decided to crap out and not work until now
Antec PP-303X 300W
I've been reading up and it looks like it depends on where the motherboard gets most of its current. If its from the 5v rail, there shouldn't be much of a problem, but if it gets most of it from 3.3, then there's a problem. I didn't realize some motherboards use one rail over another depending on design.
It looks as if this psu was designed in mind with a motherboard pulling off the +5, but I'm having problems finding technical documents for the KT3 Ultra2. The CPU itself should be draining about 20 amps by itself at load according to the calculations that were made, which leads me to believe this motherboard is pulling from 5v as the 3.3 on this power supply is very unefficient for this use. The weird thing is, their truepower series doesn't put out much more, if any, power on the 5v rail than the current psu and if this motherboard is designed to take what it can from the 5v, it doesn't appear the decision to buy a new antec power supply is a good one, unless its the 530watt varient which puts out 40amps on +5. I'm going to look into tring a different power supply tomorrow and see if it fixes the 166fsb problems. In the mean time, anyone know where I can find technical documents for this motherboard? Its the most difficult piece of hardware to find detailed information on.
Added now:
From what I've learned, a lot of the time the ram feeds off the 5v line, again depending on the motherboard. Nowhere in the spec sheets of hyperx does it claims to use 40 watts per stick of ram. I'll try readng over my nonsense post later today when I'm more awake as its 6:55am right now and it was 1am last night. Going to stop by the bank today and head out to probably pickup antec's 530w psu. -
KT3 Ultra2 + Heavy AGP usage = crash & beeps on reboot
PROBLEM: (story has 2 very exciting parts)
Part 1: When start using apps with intencive accellerated graphics, the computer gives a blank screen and hangs there forewer. After a while, monitor goes into powersaving mode.
Ex.: After passing the 1st, low-res (truck) test on Sysmark2001 successfully, sysmark happily and consistently hangs on the hi-res (truck) test.
Part 2 (More Interesting part): After the computer goes into blank screen (explained above), I push "reset" button and get:
- no picture
- several beeps (8 or 9). It is hard to say how many beeps; they all a short and first one is Very abrupt.
- The "D-"-whatever lights show code for "Testing RTC (Real Time Clock)"
- same thing happening no matter how many times I press reset. I have to unplug the computer for a while to make it boot normally.
SYSTEM INFO:
MSI KT3 Ultra2 mobo
Athlon 1800+ CPU
PowerColor Radeon 8500 based 128meg AGP video card.
No-name manufacturer 256mb PC2100 DDR RAM sticks
No-name manufacturer 400W PSU
all my other cards were removed for/while troubleshooting.
THINGS TRIED:
Since the "issue" continues after reboot, I immediately rule out the software problems. (though I did reinstall windows and tried other/newer chipset and video drivers for the heck of it)
- used 1 other memory chip (different brand) (no help)
- Used the Video card and memory in other computers (work fine)
- used other mobo (asus A7V133) and parts with the case and PSU (works fine)
- updated bios (no help)
- changed AGP Driving vale, AGP speed (1x,2x,4x), memory timing, disabling/enambling anything possible in BIOS. (none helped)
THINGS DID NOT TRY:
(I do not have unlimited budget, you know..)
- Another brand of accellerated video card (what is the point? I like my Radeon8500-128mb and it works with other boards. If KT3 is incompatible, screw KT3)
- Did not try another PSU (Do not have any better than the one I have.) If it is a problem, I do not mind buying a new one. But, is IT the problem?
- What else did I not try? You tell me.
WHAT I SUSPECT:
- Motherboard has electrical problems, or
- My PSU may be underpowered (but why the problem continues during the low-power bootup?)Thenk you guys for such a prompt response
Let me address your questions/comments
> (maesus) Did you try - Load BIOS Setup Default
Yeah, I tried that.
> (maesus) do not overclock, everything goes default
I am a heat, noise and temperature control freak. I never overclock. I am more likely to underclock than overclock. Incidentally, I did try to underclock the FSB and memory to 100Mhz in order to see if the problem goes away. - It does not go away.
> (maesus) Update VIA 4-in-1 drivers to 4.43v and ATI Catalyst to 2.3
I tried Via 4-in-1 v 4.43, 4.41. I tried Catalyst 2.3 and 2.2. As for trying older drivers, my philosophy is the following: If the board makes me downgrade drivers and features in order to be functional, I get rid of the board, not the features. Downgrading Via 4-in-1 does not make much of a difference. Downgrading Catalyst further brings performance and features down significantly enough.
> (maesus) My suggestion to the AGP Driving signals is EA.
Thanks for the suggested value. It is so hard to find things like this. I looked all over the net and PowerColor groups to find values that work, and found none that match my system. I did try this value, though. I keep a list of values that usually work for me, and EA is one of them. Nothing from my list worked.
As a side-note, setting AGP to bellow 4x usually makes Driving Value setting irrelevant. On my previous boards, I would set AGP to 2x and Driv Value to Auto - the board would usually work OK. With KT3 though, The problem consistently happens even at AGP 1x.
> (maesus) Please try another more powerful PSU, borrow first before you buy
I will try this later in the week.
> (hjongste) You may need to clear CMOS first. Sometimes there is more to it than just shorting the jumpers. Read my page on this.
That is a neat site you have! I will try your suggestion later in the week. Right now the board is back in the box. -
CPU support for KT3 Ultra2?
Mainboard manual says that fastest supported CPU is AMD XP 2200+ 1,8GHz (=Thoroughbred).
Board homepage says that 2700+ is the fastest supported CPU
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=341
CPU Support page says that fastest supported CPU is XP 3000+ 333MHz:http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_cpu_support_detail.php?UID=341
So the question is which is the fastest supported CPU? I'd like to get a confirmation before buying any...http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/bios/bos/spt_bos_detail.php?UID=11 says that BIOS update 6380ev57.exe supports "AMD Barton XP3000+ (FSB333) CPU (For KT3 Ultra2 Only)" and warns that "This BIOS is intended for MS-6380E PCB with KT266A & KT333 chipset. K7T266 Pro2 & K7T266 Pro2-RU don't use the same.
Go to the URL and make double sure that you are looking at the correct motherboard version.
Before you consider a BIOS flash, read the approproate section in this forum.
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