KT3 Ultra2-R ... Can't change FSB beyond 100

Dear all,
Just got my KT3 Ultra2-R with an Athlon XP2100, upgraded to 5.7 AMI BIOS, worked great, then made some changes to CMOS (forgot which ones), then couldn't boot.
When I finally booted and went to CMOS setup, it would not let me change the FSB to anything other than 100...that is, no options on the FSB when I hit enter (shrug).
Now, my system recognizes the CPU as an AMD XP 1500...blah. Tried everything...resetting CMOS with jumper, took out computer battery, replace 350 SmartBlue PSU with 400 Watt PSU, replaced Heatsink/cooler with better one, wiped contacts, nothing...it's not the temps, because my case idles at 29C chassis and 36C CPU temps. Even reflashed back to BIOS version 5.6, and still no go.
When I do "performance" settings in CMOS, it will give me 133 FSB, but my system will now be unstable. Weird thing was, before this "event", performance setting put it at 166 FSB :(
Anyway, my comp isn't dead....it just won't let me change the FSB. I called up ABS Computers where I bought this, and they said they are not responsible for damage caused from flashing BIOS...blah, whatever.
I just put out an order for an Asus A7N8X Deluxe motherboard and joined the NForce2 bandwagon, but if someone could give me some insight into what I could do about my motherboard, besides hang it on my wall, I'd certainly appreciate it.
Here are specs of my system:
MSI Kt3 Ultra2-R
Athlon XP2100
Geforce2 video card
soundblaster 5.1 Live
WD 120 Gig and WD 60 Gig
Liteon CRWD
Sony DRU-500AX
Q-Tech Quiet PSU 400 Watts
Nexus Heatsink/Fan
Windows XP Home

Thanks for the reply, but while checking out the other problem with the KT4V / Athlon 2400 Clock Speed Problem (above) who couldn't set his FSB beyond 100, but when he set it the multiplier to 12.5/13, he gets a 20X multiplier when he goes into Fuzzy Logic.
Well, guess what, I did the same thing (set my CPU multiplier in BIOS to 12.5/13, and lo and behold, I go into fuzzy logic, and my AMD XP 2100 is recognized as an AMD XP2600 running at 2000 megahertz...now someone explain that to me! I even check with SiSandra, and yup, it's seeing a 2000 megahertz processor. I even ran the benchmark tests on SiSandra, and it's on par with that processor.
However, my FSB is only 100, and thus, my memory benchmarks are about 25% below the norm for my DDR333 RAM chips (i guess because they are synchronized with the FSB, and probably running at 200 then).
Anyhoo, i'm tired of trouble shooting and figuring out what the hell is going on. The comp is extremely stable at 2000 megahertz at 100 FSB...don't know what else to do...so installing new motherboard tomorrow and report back later.

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What's really interesting to me here is that apparently bios version 5.7 , with an AMD-reported release date of 10/23/02, is what will actually allow the KT3 Ultra2 to support the 166MHz FSB.
It looks very much to me as if the KT3 Ultra and the KT3 Ultra2's not only share the same model number but also the same bioses as well.
What would prevent bios 5.7, when MSI releases it to the public, from supporting a 166MHz fsb in the KT3-U's as well as the the KT3-U2's?

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Thanks for the link, Wonk... I had actually read through that thread and kind of came away with the impression that although MSI said the KT3 U would not support a 166MHz FSB, nobody was really sure enough about that to place bets on it...
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I have been trying to oc my 2200 to get the most out of it that I can. I tried the wire trick a while back but I ended up bending a pin which I fixed. After that I never oc'ed my cpu. I tried the other day just to raise my FSB but had no luck.
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last night I did a succesful bios upgrade to V5.7 on my KT3 Ultra 2 board.
System rebooted into bios default with no problems and I reset all the parameters as per the previous version.
Unfortunately, I set the FSB to 166 instead of 133 ( Gawd knows what I was thinking of at the time!).
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The LED display is showing 1&2 Red, 3&4 Green.
I had exactly the same.
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I flash to rev 5.7
I was trying 10.5*166 (the cpu has ever done this in the past) when the computer refuses to start.
the D-braket shows : LED 1&2 Red, 3&4 Green.
rest, unplung the bat, the card was dead
I've RMA the card the last week.
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I've searched the database multiple times for this, but couldn't find anyone with the same problem:
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