KT3 Ultra2-R new - running well 3000+ 512/PC3200

Well I've finally upgraded one of my machines from seriously poor to really quite good with this motherboard.
Wanted to upgrade the machine at minumum cost (other than processor) without throwing out quite a good (though old) AGPx2 graphics card. So I found a KT3 Ultra2-R on ebay. Had trouble finding a fast athlon to go on it. Even used no warrantee ones were selling for mad money on ebay-uk. Found a chap who could supply a new OEM XP3000+. Found the memory at ebuyer where it was cheaper than on ebay!
My existing PSU looked iffy for an athlon 3000+ so I found a good enermax one. A bit pricey but good. Its an older model so suitable for a 3.3 & 5v loading system such as this. Oddly there appear to have been two versions of the EG465P-VE. The older ones had 38/44/20 according to several places on the net, but this version has 35/35/35. It had me worried for a bit as I found the higher specs before I ordered it and the lower specs afterwards.
All running quite nicely.
Any recommendations to get the best performance out of it all. I may not want to madly overclock though as the old setup was notoriously unstable and I want this one to be rock solid.

I've left the BIOS on auto mostly - so the memory should be doing 333 (PC2700) - but its got headroom if I want to try clocking it up a bit AND it was cheaper than the memory rated PC2700, and its slightly more future proof.
I'm still trying to check the bios version at the moment. It goes past too fast to read on the first bios screen. Live update seems unhappy with Mozilla as a browser? Can't get sense out of it yet.
All seems stable although the onboard sound has disappeared in the last 24 hours. It was working before. sigh.

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BIOS Settings Problem on KT3 Ultra2 MS-6380E with Barton 3000+(FSB333)

Well, I finally got my Barton 3000+ with 333 MHz FSB and installed it yesterday in my MSI KT3 Ultra2 Mainboard....
System Before changing anything:
PSU: DTK 400 W
+3.3 V / 22 A
+5 V / 35 A
+12 V / 15 A
-5 V / 0.5 A
-12 V / 0.8 A
+5 V VSB / 3 A
So that should make up 400 W as far as I know, my total System drain should be around 300-350 W so even if it would not suffice 400 W it should run the system ?
Mainboard: KT3 Ultra 2 (BIOS v5.7)
CPU: AMD XP 2100 FSB 133 MHz
RAM: 1.536 MB, 3x512 MB Infineon PC3200 (400MHz) CL 3-3-3-8 @400MHz, Cl2.5-3-3-7@333Mhz, 2-2-2-6@266MHz
VGA: MSI RX-9800 Pro 128 MB
DVD/CD-R/RW-Combo: Plextor PX-708 (Firmware 1.08)
CD-R/RW: TEAC CD-W540E (Firmware 1.0K)
Storage: Western Digital WD800BB (80 GB) (Firmware 17.07W17)
USB-Storage: Maxtor 4 K080 H4 (80 GB)
Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster 172T with Driver Version 1.0
Printer: HP Deskjet 970Cxi with Original HP Driver Version 4.3
OS: Windows 2000 Professional with Service Pack 4
BIOS Settings: SDRAM 1T Command: "Disabled" It won't work stable with 3 RAM's in it with that setting, but that I did know before.
CPU Fast Command: "Ultra"
System was running stable for nearly 2 years with this Configuration:
So now it goes:
First I changed the CPU form my old AMD XP 2100+ to the new Barton 3000 + with its new Arctic Cool Copper Silent 2TC.
Then I went into BIOS and raised the FSB to 166 MHz, which should be the correct one, or do I have to put 167 MHz in there (since 166.666666 MHz is rounded to 167)?
Then I exited and watched the restart...but it didn't start-up it only got me 3 long beeps at the HOST.
After some whining and beating I plugged out anything and cleared CMOS and started the whole thing again:
System after Clearing CMOS:
Mainboard: KT3 Ultra 2 (BIOS v5.7)
CPU: AMD XP 3000+ FSB 100 MHz
RAM: 1x512 MB Infineon PC3200 CL 2-3-3-7 (BIOS setting CAS Latency by "SPD")
Storage: Western Digital WD800BB (80 GB) (Firmware 17.07W17)
Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster 172T with Driver Version 1.0
OS: Windows 2000 Professional with Service Pack 4
With all Default settings, the Computer boots up, and is correctly Recognized as a Barton 1300 MHz.
When increasing FSB to 133 MHz it is correctly displayed as a Barton 2200+
NOW...
...after adding one BIOS setting after another I narrowed the problem down to the "CPU Fast Command (decode)" Function...if set to Ultra it does not boot-up when running 166 MHz FSB, it does not even let me into BIOS. I have to clear CMOS and restart from scratch again...
Is this normal and expectable with a Barton 3000+ running at the native 166 MHz FSB or not ?
Since my system before was running on "Ultra" with my old AMD XP 2100+.
There is only one more thing I noticed, the CPU V-Core is shown to be only 1.616 V (setting on "Auto" but it should be 1.65 V ? Should I increase the V-Core to 1.675 V in order to get closer to 1.65 V or shouldn't I worry about ?
Thanks for any Input you can give me on the problem.
Iscaran

Iscaran, you are indeed correct in the statement which you made
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...after adding one BIOS setting after another I narrowed the problem down to the "CPU Fast Command (decode)" Function...if set to Ultra it does not boot-up when running 166 MHz FSB, it does not even let me into BIOS. I have to clear CMOS and restart from scratch again...
This setting can be set to fast/ultra on the KT3 Ultra2 when using PC2100 ram running at 266. However, when using PC2700 ram running at 333, this setting MUST be set to normal for the satisfactory operation of the board. I know that you have PC3200 ram actually installed but it is only running at 333.
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Is this normal and expectable with a Barton 3000+ running at the native 166 MHz FSB or not ?
Yes, absolutely normal
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There is only one more thing I noticed, the CPU V-Core is shown to be only 1.616 V (setting on "Auto" but it should be 1.65 V ? Should I increase the V-Core to 1.675 V in order to get closer to 1.65 V or shouldn't I worry about ?
How are you measuring this ie Bios or o/s utility? Not unknown that these are incorrect. However, if you feel unhappy about this, try setting the V-core manually to 1.65v and check what this gives.
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So 3.3 V x 22 A gives 72.6 W, that could be really a little cutting the edge. Could that cause the board to not respond when setting the "CPU Fast Command" to "Ultra" ?
Getting a more powerful psu will not likely cure this well documented problem.
However, this board mostly draws power from the 3.3 & 5v rails. The 12v is mostly used to power HDD, optical and fans. When you consider that 128Mb of ram draws about 8-10w from the 5v rail and you have a total of 1.5Gb that adds up to 96-120W of juice just for the memory alone. This board will beep at you at o/s level when it's running underpowered but my opinion is the same as osnavi's your 3.3v & 5v rails are too low. Also what is combined 3.3v & 5v wattage. What kind of reading do you get on monitoring utilities.
By the way I have as you can see from my dets below the same board and cpu as you and when I changed from a XP2000 Palomino with PC2100 ram to XP3000 Barton and PC3200, I changed the 'Fast Command' setting from 'Fast' to 'Normal'
Hope this helps, enjoy the board

KT3 Ultra2 won't run XP 2500 at more than 151 Mhz

Not an unusual topic I know but I haven't found any solutions in this forum as yet!
With my XP 2000 cpu installed my system is stable when the FSB is overclocked to 150 Mhz. When I install the XP 2500 cpu and set the FSB in the BIOS (latest vertsion) to 166 Mhz it won't access the hard drives at all. My initial thought was the psu so I reduced the system to 1 hdd, 1 DVD rewriter, 256Mb memory and tried again. No change! Then I started reducing the FSB until at 151 Mhz it would boot but as an XP 1900 cpu. The VIA chipset drivers are up to date.
I' don't know what to try next. Any ideas?

I can only say, I'm running my KT3 Ultra2 with XP 2800+ without any problem at 333 Mhz. Remember you have to upgrade Bios with ver 5.7 so Mobo can work with a 166 FSB. Also, better try starting with only one memory module. You can take a look at my P.S. specs. on my sig. It's not too good, but enough for this rig. So, don't dispose yet your 2500+, try and tell us how did it go.
A bit off: Do you like this Forum ? If yes, Read the post on first page in this Forum " Forum Team on Strike...". If you want this Forum to stay as it is now, please send a mail to MSI. Adress is mentioned in first post.

Will KT3 Ultra2 Support New Barton Core Athlon XPs?

just my question, seen that right now only:
MSI KT4 Ultra (VIA KT400);
MSI MS-6596 (VIA KT400);
MSI MS-6712 (VIA KT400);
MSI MS-6382E (VIA KT333);
MSI MS-6561 (SiS 745);
MSI MS-6593 (VIA KT333).
are listed as official support hmmm
this board will probably support it via BIOS update, i hope, since its KT333CE chipset

joe,
I bought my rig from ABS. I had a lot of options when choosing this rig. I chose the 2400 tbred at the time because it was priced just right.
The old bios worked with the 2400 before I flashed it with the latest 5.6. Use the latest version of the live update to flash the bios if you need to. Make sure you uninstall the older version of Live Update before you update to the newer version. I did not do this at first and ran into a few snags. The program would not even log onto MSI website. I solved it by uninstalling the program. Then I had to go into the registry and manually delete the program entries before I got it to work.
I am by no means a techie, and I really have no business messing around with the registry entries since I do not completely understand it. I do know that when I am having problems with certain programs that I can go into HKEY LOCAL Machine and from there I can delete the chosen program registries. I did that for the old version of Live Update, and it worked like a charm. From there, I had a successful flash. That was something that I had never done before. I researched the flash a bit, and I was prepared to buy a new bios chip if I had a bad flash. Big D1

[KT3 Ultra2-R / PSU] Upgrading to Barton 3000+

Hi!
I'm thinking about upgrading from my 2200+ to a Barton 3000+ chip. Is there any problems with this? Is my PSU good enough to handle the upgrade?
My PSU is Antec TruePower 380P (+5V: 35A, +12V: 18A, +3.3V: 28A).
After the upgrade my computer's specs would be:
MSI KT3 Ultra2-R
AMD Athlon Barton 3000+
2x512mb Kingston ValueRAM
GeForce4 Ti4600
80gb Western Digital HDD + 40gb Seagate HDD
CD-RW drive
SB Audigy
3 case fans
How about if I add a third 512mb DIMM, a 80gb HDD and change the GF4 to a Radeon 9800? Would the PSU still be good enough?
Thanks in advance!

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Originally posted by Sharp
The board will require the latest BIOS too.
I've already flashed it to 5.7.
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Originally posted by Sharp
You should not mix ram as it can cause problems, even if it is the same model/make. The revision must be the same.
Really? I think my ValueRAM are different revision, but I'm not having any problems. I guess I'm lucky.
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Originally posted by Sharp
Would that be a 9800se, 9800pro or 9800XT?
Haven't thought about that yet, because I only have the money for the processor upgrade.

KT3 ultra2 with amd barton 3000+ problems

Ok so I upgraded from a 1800+ to a barton 3000+, and im having problems running the chip. Iv set the fsb to 166, the ram to HCLK, tried running with just one stick, it runs for about 5min then restarts. Any ideas?
System specs
Msi kt3 Ultra 2 (newest bios 5.7)
Msi GF fx 5900 not overclocked
2x 512 pc3200 ram, one stick is kingston other is OCZ
Sound blaster Audigy
Enermax 365 watt pws
20gb maxtor hd (lol)

Well if you purchased an Athlon XP 3000+ which is a 400mhz chip and are trying to run it at 333mhz instead of 400mhz that might be the issue aside from the fact that the KT3 Ultra2 does not support that chip so it could also be a bios issue.
I retract a little of that. There is an Athlon XP 3000+ 333mhz chip. But are you sure this is what you obtained? If not that is your problem.

Lack of Ghz KT3 Ultra2 Barton 3000+

Dont want to sound like a broken record but I aswell am having problems with my newly purchased Barton 3000+ (400 fsb) with my MSI KT3 Ultra2. The problem is that whenever I try to set the FSB to the correct level, the computer fails to boot and I have to jump the cmos. I updated my bios to ver 5.7, and the highest i can get is to a 2400+
Two possible reasons I think are I have a Thermaltake Volcano 8 (which i believe isnt up to par) and my powersupply is a bit below the specs in the troubleshooting faq: L&C brand PSU +3.3V/24A +5V/35A +12V/12A. However I'm reluctant to go buy replacement parts because I've read of the people who did and it didnt help (limited budget.)
I've tried flashing with 3 different versions of 5.7 drivers, and even gave the 5.6 a go (highest i could get was 2200+) The highest I could get the FSB is to 199, but as soon as i try for 200 it zonks out on me. I've got 768 megs of no name ram that has served me well, and so thats not the problem... (hope not) I've also read a buncho topics and tried various things from them.
If I missed anything lemme know....
Oh while I'm here, my computer likes to restart itself whenever I tell it to shutdown. Sometimes it does stay off, usually when not running for very long. On occasion (not very often) It will come on on its own accord, which kinda concerns me

I don't know for sure, but aren't there two different types of Barton's being sold. One with a FSB 333 and one with 400 ?
So I think you will have to get the other type in order to get it working, since the mobo does only support FSB up to 333 MHz.
Maybe you can just replace the CPU where you bought it ?
Iscaran

KT3 Ultra2-R w/Barton 2500+ will not run at 166FSB

hello again all . well in light of MSI's recent Bios revision for the KT3 Ultra2-R coming with support for the Barton up to 3000+ and the cost of the 2500+ coming down to $96 dollars (retail) at Newegg i couldn't resist the headache i now have. so far every attempt i have made at 166FSB has crashed and burned.
currently the system is running at 12.5x156 given that when i try to run at 11x157 to 11x160 the system locks during PCMark2002/3DMark2001SE benching. what's even more amusing is that if i go to 11x161 to 11x165 the system will not even fire up the drives on the Promise ATA133 RAID controller. at 166FSB the system outright doesn't post. MSI has responded to me and told me that it is my memory which i find comical as both sticks have been tried separately and that boot issue to the RAID doesn't read as a memory problem to me (not to mention Corsair would laugh at that as well especially since the sticks are capable of 200FSB and backed with a lifetime warranty to do such).
so aside from trying every memory timing configuration possible on the board, stripping it down to just the video card, memory, and drives, without any luck any other notions as to what would be the problem would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance!

Quote from: Bas on 07-November-07, 18:37:37
You should leave memory speed at spd/auto...
When you set the FSB, need to reboot before it kicks in.
If you check the memory speed after the reboot it should be upped as well.
This is the problem; the BIOS won't let me do what you've described.
If I reset the CMOS, the SDRAM settings look like this. So I go into Frequency/Voltage Control and change the FSB to 166MHz, like this, then the SDRAM settings have automatically changed to HCLK+66, like so and there are no longer any other options in the list, like so.
Saving the settings and exiting the BIOS causes it to fail to POST.

My KT3 Ultra Experience (from the nightmare to a running well system)

Well First...
I don't speak a well english, maybe because still think in spanish, so maybe find many gramatical errors.
the very very begin
The history begins with a terrible electric shock in my house, i got a Athlon XP 1700+ with a cheap PC Chips Board (810)..yeah the all in one board (video, modem, ethernet, sound) build my first system with a mixture of expectatives and dreams with my first AMD athlon XP , the system running well, before got the "great idea" to plug a Zoltrix Genie TV card for record South Park, everything is OK, so, i think that i abuse the luck, and a rainy night, i surf the net ( a XXX one... ATK... never forget that site after this) a electric shock enter trought the tv cable searching ground, someone that got this experience maybe feels a demon in a box, a white light come out from the back of the system and hit the isolated regulator ( with the sparks and all the stuff ) the light goes out and a tasty barbecue smell fill completly the room.
ohhh...
the list of cooking components:
   Athlon XP 1700+
   PC Chips 810 (a/v/r/s)
   Maxtor HDD 40GB
   Zoltrix Genie TV
   Mouse (generic)
   Keyboard (generic)
   Microsoft sidewinder gamepad
The miracle pieces:
   256MB DIMM sticks from crucial (PC 100) two of them
   External CD Burner HP CD-Writer 8230e (USB)
   Philips Monitor 17'
i learn to never watch a porno site in a rainy night... it's really bad for your system
build another system "da plan!"
in a trip to Bogotá i search in the computer mall called UNILAGO, the new system board, someone callit MOBO, my idea are this:
A Boxed Board. Candidates like ASUS , Gygabyte, MSI, with the VIA 333 chip are required.
we search in all the place, asus show its A7V333 model, but its too expensive in the price that this guy offered (maybe think that i don't search the pricewatch.com page before go to the mall... je je) in a place some guy show me a very nice box... i think the first impression counts, its the kt3 ultra board in her shiny box, next tactic ask for minimun price (...no minimun price got this board...) so i pay 360 thousand pesos for it.
wen come back to Cali ( the place i live) and after got some pesos in my bag i go to the computer mall in Cali called La passarella (remember the argentinian soccer player?) for buy the components.....
the list is this:
   Athlon XP 1800+ BOXED (got the original AMD heatsink)
   DDR RAM PC2100 256 MB
   Genius Netscroll Optic
   Genius Keyboard
   CD-Rom LG 52 X
   Case with a 300W ATX Power Supply
   Realtek Ethernet Card (Encore)
   AGP Video card with the SIS chip 315 128MB of ram
   Genius Maxfire USB (i buyit for the cheap price and anyway i don't play too much in a computer so i dont need a Nvidia Ti thing or a gamepad expensive)
wen go to the house, plug all the stuff and the process it's fine, no complicate things occur, i do two modifications first
1)to the AMD heatsink, the clip come in the other side, so i need to unplug the Power ATX supply for attach it and don't want to do the same thing every time that retire the heatsink, i disarm the heatsink and turn the clip to the other side, no problems with this mod...
2)i don't use floppy disks... I HATE IT so the place of the floppy converts in the place for the D-Bracket with all the lights and two USB... nice because i perfored the case in the right way and the usb and the lights come in the front of the case...it's a easy mod...
all the things come well so turn it ON...
KT3 Ultra first Round!
well i don' pay much attention in the first time that power on the system and hit the del key.... nothing happens and a letters of searching array and scanning devices show... after this process the amibios screen shows (the blue one, and still today don't find the option for change the color scheme like te PC Chips amibios options got) in this point i know that the rule "search the instruction booklet" it's totally necessary for many options the options that i disable and some that enable are this:
    in integrated peripherals disable the ata raid option (remember the scan devices screen?) i plug a maxtor ATA 100 hard drive to the ide cable because don't know if this hard disk works with the Raid Option maybe not because is ata 100.. so disable the option
    in power management options i activate the CPU critical temperature to 70°C
    in advanced bios settings i enable the MSI link to the future screen... nice, SMART for HDD enable. In the boot secuence put first CD-rom and later HDD
    in standard CMOS settings put the hour...(uh!), and obvious disable the nasty floppy drive (BOOT CDS REPLACE THE NEED OF FLOPPY DRIVES...)
    in PC health disable the intrussion option, because i don't have the switch for the case...
    in frecuency and voltage i find the FSB in 100Mhz but i don't change anything in this point...
after this tiny modification, i save the changes and restart....
the system boot with a CD he he... with a image of the win98 boot disk, so i formated and fdisk the drive... tooooo fast in this point.
after partition the HDD in 5 pieces and formating every partition, i reboot the computer for installing Win98...
the installation goes normal, and install all the MSI software (only for know what apps are appreciable por me) i don't have any problems, install all the drivers for every single hardware piece and the system works well... so testing es the next point.
KT3 Ultra first test after the installation
well i feel that my job are easyly...(ji ji) and all the process go OK so testing my new machine gotme like a child.
i run the test of SiS for the AGP card ( 3D thrill ) the demo of the card got a cosmic scene, comes very fast, i try to watch if someone piloting the space ship, and maybe see something
the sound are good for the include sound chip in the board, put and test all the effects and test...ok ok... nice.
microsoft direct X got some testings so i run it too ... write in run command "dxdiag" and ready for the tests, in this point i feel free to install a copy of "formula 1 2002" in the machine some guy borrowme a copy, wen i try to install got a n error.... (the first one) and the game don't install ... i reject the installation and try another game, in this point i search the Athlon XP Oem.bmp file for branding my new system... je je, and hit the window key and pause and i find that my processor runs in 1.1 Mhz... (what!!!) if this CPU is a 1800 and this speed maybe is wrong....so i read the boocklet and find in the FSB option the way for put the CPU in his real Mhz...(1.53) in this point begins the troubles...
KT3 Ultra damage my CPU??????!!!!!
Wen enter to the bios i got direct for the FSB option and put it to 133Mhz maybe this thing it's easyly too, i think, i made and save the changes... and.....
A BLACK SCREEN COMES AND I SEE THE FOUR LEDS IN RED!!!!
AHHHH!, i thinks that this processor pases to a better life after this point, with shaking hands read again the boocklet and find the interpretation for the 4 red leds signal, damage or bad installed processor.
oh, so what i do...?
i continue reading for a little FAQ in the boocklet, and nothing, only a glossary, i call a friend to helpme... ( the true geek one) the guy tell me to reset the bios with the jumper... so, i don't loose anything with this and do it...
wen the computer reboots the signals come to life... (ufff!) and the scanning device creen shows again... so i need to save again my settings.
i do all the things and save, the system turns on and windows 98 load normal again... i try to fix the FSB thing in other time i think, and continue intalling some programs.
In my CDs find a copy of formula 1 2001 no de 2002 version, because this version i installed in my other fried system i installed in mine for show and prove the 3d card...
the installation works fine and terminate ok, wen i hit the icon to play, the 3d settings window appears i select some options 800x600 32bit color and press test, a blank screen comes with some little caracters, in some point wen the test come back my system frozes and nothing happens... OHHHHHHH! what happens?.... i think, i decided to check the temperature values because in this point think that my installation fails in the put heatsink process.
i load PC alert and find CPU temperature in 78°C... oh, it's too high i think so shutdown the system and check the heatsink for anything that miss in the first time.
i put again the heatsink an log to the bios for check the values....
this is the values of PChealth option in bios:
   Cpu temp : 71°C and stable in this value...it's high too
   System Temp : 38°C ...high too
   VCore      1.744V
   +5.0V       5.038V
   +12V      11.923V
   -12V      -11.497
   -5V         -5.026V
   Batt      3.24V
   +5VSB      4.969
some ideas come to my mind and try to think if some options of the bios, the best performance option it's a good point to start i think so i select and save the changes...
oh, oh, the black screen comes again.... buuuuuu! and the four red leds too....buuuu!
mmmm, ....what i do?, what i do?....i reset again the bios, for the options and try to boot the machine again... maybe leave the system in the first point i think but nothing prepare me for the many "chorro" of errors thath follow after this point....
If i can roll back the time....
i think to be superman and fly in a oposite earth direction for roll back the time... (luisa!)
the system begins a non stop errors secuence sometimes the four leds are red, sometimes tree leds red an the top right led green, in the book says this signal is for damage DDR ram...
wen windows 98 loads the system frozes in some points, and wen enter and run some test the system frozes too...
i reset the bios to the original form an try to leave the house excactly wen enter the first time... i save it and the errors continues...
with NO hope of correct by myself the issues i turn on my old K6II system and find the MSI forum that got some mysql errors
in the forum find the Power unit suplly issues, i got the ATX box and 300W maybe it's too low i think after MANY post with same errors like me, i think to made a program plan for recover the stability and my ideas come in the next point.
now need another message to continue....

Return the system to the "normal" or less stability
In the forum (thanks for the people thath participate) some people says issues of frozen systems because cheap ATX power supply, some other got problems with the heatsink, i think that a mixture of those issues gotme like mad and try to figure out the quality of a atx power supply that changes the performance after a bios setup... ( it's a very cheap ATX power supply, i think) the Power unit now don't support the energy, and power needs of the system in some cases wen i run the 3d accelerated test the system frozes wen i hit "test".
return today to the computer mall passarella, and buy this items:
   Vulcano 7 (it's a building no, it's a airplane no,... it's vulcano 7 with speed sensor incorporated, much bigger than a building and more CFM than any airplane make!)
   ATX power supply 400W for kicks power requeriments and maybe extract energy enough for a reading lamp...
   wen come back to the house i install the new parts, the vulcano 7 needs the same mod than the other AMD one, or maybe MSI put the sockect A protect clip layer in the wrong site, maybe the board fit well in a ATX-XL case for no uninstall the power unit to put the heatsink... anyway need to uninstallit but this issue it's funny.
wen everiting it's ok i turn on the system...
KT3 Ultra Runs smooth... FINALLY
i know thath every body needs to listen a couple of help tips, in this point i think that logged to the forum are the best idea that i got, many people got the same problems and if you don't ask or search you think thath the MSI board it's a terrible board, and this no true, and because it's red too.
the system loads normal and i think to go up the FSB to the NORMAL 133 value for this athlon XP 1800+ i change the values, save and reboot the first thing that i find are the bios recognize the Amd Athlon XP 1800+ in the first black screen ( wen disables da logo) later, web hit windows key+ pause the window says Athlon XP 1800+, in the fuzzy logic app i find the values of 1523 Mhz and the temperature don't rises 50°C it's now OK, better than the cooking eggs thing that got before the changes.
now i need to give some thanks..
Thanks
to all the people in the forum, i don't write a nice english but i know read and it's enough for take a easy living style with this machines...
MSI people thanks
for the people in the mall, they don't know much the Power unit issues of this board it's a bit more exigent than others in his point.
to my dog that share my angry in the late night, it's a good one that dont' sleep well wen i work in the night..
so to all the people thanks for made this posible, maybe this long post with less technical things works for put your boards well.
Victor Hugo Hernández
Cali - Colombia

XP 3000+ "Barton" on MSI KT3 Ultra2?

Hi,
Can I install AMD Athlon XP 3000+ "Barton" (333 Mhz) on the MSI KT3 Ultra2?
According to MSI latest BIOS update v5.7 it should not be a problem.
My specs
* MSI VIA KT3 Ultra2
* AMD Athlon XP 2000+, using 266MHz FSB
* 256MB Kingston PC2700, using 333MHz FSB
* MSI GeForce4 MX460 64 MB
* 1 x 60 GB Maxtor ATA133 7200rpm
* 1 x 40 GB Maxtor ATA133 7200rpm
* 1 x Lite-On DVD-RW
* 1 x Pioneer DVD-ROM
* Windows XP Proff.[/COLOR]
Roger

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_cpu_support_detail.php?UID=11&NAME=MS-6380E
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KT3 Ultra Series CPU Support Status
Marketing Name KT3 Ultra
Model Name 6380E
PCB Version 1
BIOS Version A6380VMS.570
CPU FSB Ratio Result
Spitfire (0.18u) 100/200MHz FSB
Duron 600 100 6 OK
Duron 650 100 6.5 OK
Duron 700 100 7 OK
Duron 750 100 7.5 OK
Duron 800 100 8 OK
Duron 850 100 8.5 OK
Duron 900 100 9 OK
Duron 950 100 9.5 OK
Duron 1G 100 10 OK
Morgan (0.18u) 100/200MHz FSB
Duron 900 100 9 OK
Duron 950 100 9.5 OK
Duron 1G 100 10 OK
Duron 1.1G 100 11 OK
Duron 1.2G 100 12 OK
Duron 1.3G 100 13 OK
Applebred (0.13um) 133/266MHz FSB
Duron 1400 133 10.5 NO
Duron 1600 133 12 NO
Duron 1800 133 13.5 NO
Thunderbird (0.18um) 100(133)/200(266)MHz FSB
Athlon (Thunderbird) 650 100 6.5 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 700 100 7 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 750 100 7.5 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 800 100 8 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 850 100 8.5 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 900 100 9 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 950 100 9.5 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 1G 100 10 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 1G 133 7.5 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 1.1G 100 11 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 1.13G 133 8.5 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 1.2G 100 12 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 1.2G 133 9 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 1.3G 100 13 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 1.33G 133 10 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 1.4G 100 14 OK
Athlon (Thunderbird) 1.4G 133 10.5 OK
Palomino (0.18u) 133/266MHz FSB
AthlonXP 1500+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 1600+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 1700+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 1800+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 1900+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 2000+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 2100+ 133 Auto OK
Thoroughbred (0.13u) 133/266MHz FSB
AthlonXP 1700+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 1800+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 1900+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 2000+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 2100+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 2200+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 2400+ 133 Auto OK
AthlonXP 2600+ 133 Auto OK
Thoroughbred (0.13u) 166/333MHz FSB
AthlonXP 2800+ 166 Auto NO
Thorton (0.13u) 133/266MHz FSB 256KB L2 Cache
AthlonXP 2000+ 133 Auto NO
AthlonXP 2200+ 133 Auto NO
AthlonXP 2400+ 133 Auto NO
Thorton (0.13u) 166/333MHz FSB 256KB L2 Cache
AthlonXP 2600+ 166 Auto NO
Barton (0.13u) 166/333MHz FSB 512KB L2 Cache
AthlonXP 2500+ 166 Auto NO
AthlonXP 2800+ 166 Auto NO
AthlonXP 3000+ 166 Auto NO
Barton (0.13u) 200/400MHz FSB 512KB L2 Cache
AthlonXP 3000+ 200 Auto NO
AthlonXP 3200+ 200 Auto NO
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My answer is no to the kt3 ultra 2 only

KT3 Ultra2-R won't run 133FSB with XP2000+

Hi there!
I have just bought my self a MSI KT3 Ultra2-R mobo, a TwinMOS 512mb PC333 cas2 ram and a XP2000+ CPU with a GlacialTech HSF (certified for XP2600+)
When everything is in deafult in the bios, my fsb runs at 100mhz. When pumping it up to 133mhz my screen won't initialize and there are no beeps on startup. I have a 350W Enermax PSU that I know works!
Any suggestions to what I can do? Thanks...

Getting rid of the shim did the trick. Now I "only" have a stop at the initialisation of the HD controller. I've read some threads on that problem here, so I think I will be OK very soon .
Thanks all!

KT3 Ultra2 R and VGA problem

I wonder if I could please get some ideas as regard this rather odd problem which I am encountering. This problem occurs when while the pc is 'shut down' if I disconnect the power supply ie switch off power by way of the switch on the psu. When I switch power back on again and boot, the pc begins its booting sequence it begins to launch windows and then it stops and a little red square (with a bit of green) appears in the top left hand corner of the screen. Now this problem does not occur if I shut down the pc normally (but don't cut off power supply). I have several partitions on my HDD and they are all affect at the same time. The end result is that I boot into safe mode I look at the refresh rate which is set to 'unknown' change it to 'adapter default' then reboot but upon reboot I get windows displaying screen at 640x480 with standard vga colours. I check in device manager under 'display adapters' what driver it's showing and it's the driver which I last loaded ie the correct one. I cannot change screen resolution , bit colour and the refresh rate only allows for 2 options, either 'optimal' or 'adapter default'. In order to get back to where I was, I have to remove and re-install my VGA driver and then everyting is back to normal (until I switch off power again at psu then back to square one). I have spoken to the manufacturers of the graphics card and they say that if the card works ok when I shut down pc normally and restart then cannot be the card. I described my problem in greater detail to MSI support and they said either VGA or O/S.
In essence I wanted to isolate the problem to, is it 'hardware or 'software'.
I would be grateful if anyone can shed some light.
KT3 Ultra2 R (5.5 not the right one but the cpu clock speed is correct at post)
XP 2600+ 333 T'Bred
Crucial 512 Mb PC 2700
Leadted Ti 4400 128 MB Vivo (det 44.03)
Creative Audigy
Enermax 432W
Windows 98SE (via 4-1 v 4.34)
Seagate 60Gb 7200rpm I am running the HDDs as independant drives on the
Seagate 40Gb 7200rpm Raid controller ie one on IDE3 & one on IDE4

Odd as it might seem I have to follow the proceedure listed below if I want to switch off power altogether to work on my pc.
1. Cold boot system with 166FSB and let O/S install
2. Reboot enter Bios and reduce FSB to 133 make sure to set memory speed as HCLK and let O/S load
3. Shut down and switch off power supply
4. Reconnect power and boot system. Enter bios set FSB to 166 (the mem speed will be HCLK)
5. System continues to boot and loads O/S
From that point on, cold boots (without cutting power supply) are not problematic as once the 166FSB is 'registered' everything works ok (at every cold boot). So anytime I wanna work on my pc I guess I have to do the above 5 steps. They seem to work but need to try it out a few more times before I am confident that this process will always work.
I am sure you agree that this is one strange mother of a problem.
I suppose the only 2 things left are a total O/S reload or trying another 333 cpu because I have tried everything else. I guess I will have to live with it.
I have also cut some additional front vents so that front fan draws more air in and it appears to have dropped my idle Temp to 40.5C on CPU (running at clock 2083Mhz).
As as said earlier in my post my system ran perfectly with XP2000+ and 512Mb PC2100. I merely upgraded the CPU to XP2600 and mem to PC2700 and it has thrown up this very odd problem. And to boot (if you will pardon the expression) when I first installed new CPU and memory it booted first time at 166FSB. osnavi, in case you upgrade your CPU to a XP2600 and you get this weird problem at least you can come back to to this thread and find this workaround.
I wonder if anyone can fathom out why this is happening.......If not as I said I can live with it.
wonkanoby, I will try the link to the memtest. That is the only thing I have not tested so will give that a try.
-MSI KT3 Ultra2 Raid
-AMD XP2600+ 333 T'Bred
-Evercool CUD 725 Cooler
-2x256 Mb PC 2700 Crucial
-Leadtek Ti4400 128Mb Vivo
-Creative Audigy
-LiteOn DVD 16x
-Liteon CDR48125w
-HP CDR 9710i
-Seagate Barracuda IV 60Gb (I am running the HDDs on the raid
-Seagate Barracuda IV 40GB controller as 2 independant drives)
-2 Case fan
-Enermax 431W

KT3 Ultra2-R no boot/no beep D-Bracket 1&2 Red

I assembled a system with a KT3 Ultra2-R and an AMD XP 2100+ with 300W CodeGen-PSU.
The system ran well for 4 weeks without any crashes. Because i had the noisy AMD-boxed CPU-cooler, i installed a very silent noiseblocker-CPU-cooler. The first power-on bootet up to initialization of raid-controller an then the system hang.
The next boot, nothing happened: black screen, no beep, nothing. Only the fans are running. I reassembled the hole system x-times now, all with the same result.
I even changed the mobo to a brand new one -> same problem. I changed PSU to a 420 W -> same problem.
The D-Bracket says: 1 & 2 red, 3 & 4 green ("Initializing Hard Drive Controller"). The same result when i deattach everything from the board except PSU (yes: everything). No beep at all...
How can a brand new mobo and a brand new PSU with nothing else attached the same problem as the first mobo with my old PSU?
I have not changed the CPU or Ram yet, but how can the problem be there, when the error occurs when these parts are not attached.
What should the D-Bracket show, when I power on an empty mobo with PSU?
thanks in advance
(ps: i assembled all my pcs for the past 12 years by myself; so its no beginners problem for sure...)

a new cpu (now only a XP 1800+) took me one step ahead: windows xp is now coming up with a message (white on black) saying that the system tried starting unsuccessfully last time. then there is a choice how to boot now. but even if i choose "safe mode", the pc is booting again...
also, i cant get the floppy to work. in bios, the mobo says, its an 1,44 flopp (correct) but i dont get it in the boot order or boot menu.
so i cant install windows new, because raid-drivers are on the boot disk X(
another hard disk with installed windows xp also comes up the the scrren mentioned above and then hangs with a cursor blinking in the left top cursor of the screen.
i tried another graphic-card: an old "Interactive 3dfx Magix Twin Power": the pc beeps once long an then 3 times short on power on but keeps on booting.
the result is the same as above (pc hangs).
very, very strange

KT3 Ultra2-R ... Can't change FSB beyond 100

Dear all,
Just got my KT3 Ultra2-R with an Athlon XP2100, upgraded to 5.7 AMI BIOS, worked great, then made some changes to CMOS (forgot which ones), then couldn't boot.
When I finally booted and went to CMOS setup, it would not let me change the FSB to anything other than 100...that is, no options on the FSB when I hit enter (shrug).
Now, my system recognizes the CPU as an AMD XP 1500...blah. Tried everything...resetting CMOS with jumper, took out computer battery, replace 350 SmartBlue PSU with 400 Watt PSU, replaced Heatsink/cooler with better one, wiped contacts, nothing...it's not the temps, because my case idles at 29C chassis and 36C CPU temps. Even reflashed back to BIOS version 5.6, and still no go.
When I do "performance" settings in CMOS, it will give me 133 FSB, but my system will now be unstable. Weird thing was, before this "event", performance setting put it at 166 FSB :(
Anyway, my comp isn't dead....it just won't let me change the FSB. I called up ABS Computers where I bought this, and they said they are not responsible for damage caused from flashing BIOS...blah, whatever.
I just put out an order for an Asus A7N8X Deluxe motherboard and joined the NForce2 bandwagon, but if someone could give me some insight into what I could do about my motherboard, besides hang it on my wall, I'd certainly appreciate it.
Here are specs of my system:
MSI Kt3 Ultra2-R
Athlon XP2100
Geforce2 video card
soundblaster 5.1 Live
WD 120 Gig and WD 60 Gig
Liteon CRWD
Sony DRU-500AX
Q-Tech Quiet PSU 400 Watts
Nexus Heatsink/Fan
Windows XP Home

Thanks for the reply, but while checking out the other problem with the KT4V / Athlon 2400 Clock Speed Problem (above) who couldn't set his FSB beyond 100, but when he set it the multiplier to 12.5/13, he gets a 20X multiplier when he goes into Fuzzy Logic.
Well, guess what, I did the same thing (set my CPU multiplier in BIOS to 12.5/13, and lo and behold, I go into fuzzy logic, and my AMD XP 2100 is recognized as an AMD XP2600 running at 2000 megahertz...now someone explain that to me! I even check with SiSandra, and yup, it's seeing a 2000 megahertz processor. I even ran the benchmark tests on SiSandra, and it's on par with that processor.
However, my FSB is only 100, and thus, my memory benchmarks are about 25% below the norm for my DDR333 RAM chips (i guess because they are synchronized with the FSB, and probably running at 200 then).
Anyhoo, i'm tired of trouble shooting and figuring out what the hell is going on. The comp is extremely stable at 2000 megahertz at 100 FSB...don't know what else to do...so installing new motherboard tomorrow and report back later.

[VIA] KT3 Ultra2 - - need to "Assign IRQ to VGA" in Bios but how?

G'day people,
I am having a little drama with the instalation of a new video card. The system recoginses a hardware device, and nVidia WDM Video Capture (Universal) bbut after driver install, I get an error This device cannot start (Code 10). The FAQ over at nVidia says that:
The Code 10 error is most often a result of not having the option "Assign IRQ to VGA" enabled in your motherboards system BIOS.
My problem is I cannot find how to enable this option in bios. Any ideas? Just going to reboot and edit this post with the BIOS version.
Okay.....When I enter Bios the info say AMIBIOS vers 3.31a.
Thanks.

Thanks for this help people, I am quite new at this. Only been tinkering for about 5 years.
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That's not the right number, I belive what you are looking at is the American Megatrend version, not the actual BIOS string. It's usually at the bottom of the screen.
The only available BIOS versions are 1.X or 5.X depending on the version of mobo you are using. You need to confirm that first.
Okay how about version 5.5 date is 07/10/02.
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In which slot is the sound card?
Is there a modem involved somewhere?
Did you uninstall the previous card's driver properly? Enter SafeMode to find out.
Okay the sound card is in IRQ17 which it shares with an modem. (???)
Yes I made sure I uninstalled the old graphics card driver before I installed the new one.
Also:
Resource   Share   Device Description
IRQ 16     Shared   Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC #2
Resource   Share   Device Description
IRQ 16     Shared   NVIDIA GeForce 6600
Could this be my problem???
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What system are you running in your PC ? Did you enabled APIC Function in Advanced Bios Features ? You have said very few about your PC. so better explain with more detail your hardware ( Memory speed, system etc.)
System?? as in operating system? Win XP Pro. that is is my sig. will check on that APIC.
Extra info.
Field   Value
Motherboard Properties
Motherboard ID   62-0710-009999-00101111-040201-VIA_K7$1AARK204_A6380VMS V5.5 071002
Motherboard Name   MSI KT3 Ultra2 (MS-6380E)
Front Side Bus Properties
Bus Type   DEC Alpha EV6
Bus Width   64-bit
Real Clock   133 MHz (DDR)
Effective Clock   267 MHz
Bandwidth   2133 MB/s
Memory Bus Properties
Bus Type   DDR SDRAM
Bus Width   64-bit
Real Clock   167 MHz (DDR)
Effective Clock   333 MHz
Bandwidth   2666 MB/s
Chipset Bus Properties
Bus Type   VIA V-Link
Bus Width   8-bit
Real Clock   67 MHz (QDR)
Effective Clock   267 MHz
Bandwidth   267 MB/s
Motherboard Physical Info
CPU Sockets/Slots   1
Expansion Slots   5 PCI, 1 AGP, 1 CNR
RAM Slots   3 DIMM
Integrated Devices   Audio
Form Factor   ATX
Motherboard Size   230 mm x 300 mm
Motherboard Chipset   KT333
Extra Features   Fuzzy Logic 4
Motherboard Manufacturer
Company Name   Micro-Star International
Product Information   http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_list.php
BIOS Download   http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/bios/bos/spt_bos_list.php
And memory:
DIMM1
Field   Value
Memory Module Properties
Module Name   Kingmax MPMB62D-68KX3-MBA
Serial Number   None
Module Size   256 MB (2 rows, 4 banks)
Module Type   Unbuffered
Memory Type   DDR SDRAM
Memory Speed   PC2700 (166 MHz)
Module Width   64 bit
Module Voltage   SSTL 2.5
Error Detection Method   None
Refresh Rate   Normal (15.625 us), Self-Refresh
Memory Timings
@ 166 MHz   2.5-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 133 MHz   2.0-3-3-6 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
Memory Module Features
Early RAS# Precharge   Not Supported
Auto-Precharge   Not Supported
Precharge All   Not Supported
Write1/Read Burst   Not Supported
Buffered Address/Control Inputs   Not Supported
Registered Address/Control Inputs   Not Supported
On-Card PLL (Clock)   Not Supported
Buffered DQMB Inputs   Not Supported
Registered DQMB Inputs   Not Supported
Differential Clock Input   Supported
Redundant Row Address   Not Supported
Memory Module Manufacturer
Company Name   Kingmax Inc.
Product Information   http://www.kingmax.com/product/pro_newp.htm
DIMM 2
Field   Value
Memory Module Properties
Serial Number   None
Module Size   256 MB (1 rows, 4 banks)
Module Type   Unbuffered
Memory Type   DDR SDRAM
Memory Speed   PC2700 (166 MHz)
Module Width   64 bit
Module Voltage   SSTL 2.5
Error Detection Method   None
Refresh Rate   Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh
Memory Timings
@ 166 MHz   2.5-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 133 MHz   2.0-3-3-6 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
Memory Module Features
Early RAS# Precharge   Not Supported
Auto-Precharge   Not Supported
Precharge All   Not Supported
Write1/Read Burst   Not Supported
Buffered Address/Control Inputs   Not Supported
Registered Address/Control Inputs   Not Supported
On-Card PLL (Clock)   Not Supported
Buffered DQMB Inputs   Not Supported
Registered DQMB Inputs   Not Supported
Differential Clock Input   Supported
Redundant Row Address   Not Supported
AND DIMM 3
( I realize there is a mismatch here but have had no dramas as yet because of it, will try re-installing the hardware wit h this module removed)
Field   Value
Memory Module Properties
Module Name   Nanya M2U51264DS8HC3G-5T
Serial Number   884B2815h
Manufacture Date   Week 48 / 2005
Module Size   512 MB (2 rows, 4 banks)
Module Type   Unbuffered
Memory Type   DDR SDRAM
Memory Speed   PC3200 (200 MHz)
Module Width   64 bit
Module Voltage   SSTL 2.5
Error Detection Method   None
Refresh Rate   Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh
Memory Timings
@ 200 MHz   3.0-3-3-8 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 166 MHz   2.5-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
Memory Module Features
Early RAS# Precharge   Not Supported
Auto-Precharge   Not Supported
Precharge All   Not Supported
Write1/Read Burst   Not Supported
Buffered Address/Control Inputs   Not Supported
Registered Address/Control Inputs   Not Supported
On-Card PLL (Clock)   Not Supported
Buffered DQMB Inputs   Not Supported
Registered DQMB Inputs   Not Supported
Differential Clock Input   Supported
Redundant Row Address   Not Supported
Memory Module Manufacturer
Company Name   Nanya Technology Corp.
Product Information   http://www.nanya.com/e-htm/abc/abc-03.htm
Thankyou for your help with this folks, really appreciate it and am having some fun learning.

KT3 Ultra2-R new - running well 3000+ 512/PC3200

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