KT3 Ultra2 R Northbridge Fan Clarification

A couple of quick questions as regards my N/B fan which is going (stock MSI one).
I wanted to replace it and yes I understand the removal proceedure ie pinching the plastic pegs under mobo.
As regards installation of new N/B cooler/fan should I:
1) clean the N/B with isopropyl alcohol (just like cpu)
2) apply grease to the top of N/B chipset. I normally use artic ceramique to grease my cpu's is using that ok or should I be using something else.
3) I was going to follow advise give by many threads on this forum and go for the
Vantec Iceberg Copper
http://www.overclock.co.uk/customer/product.php?productid=16537&cat=410
This is the right one to buy.
Lastly looks like the installation for the Vantec Iceberg is by way of pushing plastic pegs to secure it, is that correct  ie held in much the same way as the stock chipset cooler.
Many thanks for your help

Here is a quote from Zalman that answers some of your questions.
http://www.bytewizecomputers.com/products/7/7/179/5375
" Product Description :
ZM-NB47J does not require a fan, and thus does not need to be powered and does not create noise or vibration.
The Northbridge chipset can be cooled down to an optimal temperature without generation of noise.
Components
1) One ZM-NB47J Heatsink
2) One Supply of Thermal Grease
3) Bolts, Nuts, Links, Push Pins, Springs (Two of Each)
Heatsink Specifications
1) Model : ZM-NB47J
2) Dimensions : 37(L) X 37(W) X 47(H) mm
3) Material : Aluminum
4) Weight : 54g
Compatible Northbridge Chipsets
ZM-NB47J is compatible with all Northbridge chipsets that do not have a built-in graphics chipset.
Note
1) ZM-NB47J cannot be used on motherboards that lack mounting holes around the Northbridge chipset.
2) If the provided push pins don¡¯t match the holes on the motherboard, use the push pins supplied with motherboard.
3) Do not install ZM-NB47J if it interferes with components on the motherboard. How to Install  "In Stock
How to Install "
http://www.zalman.co.kr/Upload/product/ZM-NB47J_en0310.pdf
Edit-ed away a double quote.

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    Originally posted by Sharp
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    Crucial 512 Mb PC 2700
    Leadted Ti 4400 128 MB Vivo (det 44.03)
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