KT4 ultra and Randeon 8500 stability problem.

This is my pc:
Msi Kt4 Ultra (6590)
Athlon Xp 2000+
512 mb ddr pc 2700
Ati Radeon 8500 Ret.
maxtor diamondplus 8 80gb
Pioneer DVD 16x slot-in
Asus ISDN Adapter internal
Skystar 2 DVB sat Adapter
Power Supply 300 W 5v - 22 A
3,3V - 16 A
Ok, i see your FAQ and i know that my power Supply is too small in fact under games my system sometimes freeze, but there's another problem, sometimes i see a white jolt on my monitor ?( , can this problem depend on too small powersupply ??
my monitor and my video card is ok under another system works great !!!
Bye

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Originally posted by wonkanoby
you can have max on only one voltage at a time
True, IF the specs are presented that way. Some obviously are, some obviously are not, and others can't even be deduced with a decent degree of certainty. It definately does not apply to power supplies such as Antec's truepower models however, as +3.3 is not derived from +5, where the load of one doesn't effect on the other.
What I'm saying is that there are no standards that PSU manufacturer's stick to when presenting their specs. Its buyer beware. Without knowing the simultaneous load conditions they used, third party calculations are no more than educated guesses based on assumptions, and we both did that.

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