KT4 Ultra reboot before booting

Ok, this is going to be long, but I'm hoping one of the details will give somebody a clue. I'm going to stick in details I don't think are relevant even.
The components relevent to this story:
KT4 Ultra Motherboard
Addtronics 300W power supply
Athlon XP 2400+ cpu
Windows XP SP1
2 seagate 120gig SATA drive in a mirrored RAID config
A cheap off brand UPS.
This machine had been up and running about 9-10 months on the current install. The machine was ROCK solid. I ran this machine 24/7 with reboots only for getting rid of adware or stuff like that. Never did I see a blue screen or any bad behaivor. And I never even bothered to cycle the power during this time. Sounds good right?
Well I'm doing some work on the carpeting in my office, so I shut it down and moved the machine to a different room. Well I got everything plugged in and powered it up, and to my surprise it started doing a chkdsk (the in boot chkdsk) since it wanted to, I let it go. Well as I watched I could see tons of errors coming as I'm watching this many of the files where clusters were being repaired were in the Windows/system32 directory. So I'm thinking to myself I'm screwed (which is true), as I see the names of vital system files going by.
So after completion it automatically reboots (chkdsk forced it), so I get to the screen where the login should be, but no press ctrl alt del to begin message but instead I get a box saying a service (lssas i think) specified invalid parameters. I click ok, and I having nothing but a solid blue screen. I press ctrl alt del and nothing, so I reboot again. This time I get the same error, but I also get the ctrl alt del to begin message, and I press, I then enter my login message. It does stuff for a second and then reboots.
So now I let it reboot again, and during the reboot it powers down. I was confused by this. I pressed the power switch, and I could see the power, hd leds blink for a sec and then blink off and the PS doesn't even start. So I press again a few times and get nothing. I leave it alone for awhile, come back and it powers up again. Same error, same login attempt, same power down.
I grab my laptop from the otherroom and plug it in to the same wall socket (directly not through the UPS) that my UPS is plugged into. At that instant, it goes in to power save mode (too quick to be normal power saving), so I quick unplug it, and plug it into the ups. As I plug it in, it it comes out of power save and operates normally (that's what I'm working with). So I'm thinking something is wrong with the power outlet (I will pursue that tomorrow), so I go and grab one of those indoor/outdoor orange heavy duty extension cords and plug everything into a different room, and all seems to be working fine.
So at this point i try my computer again, same thing. I decide its time to repair the winxp install, so I boot off of the XP cd and load the RAID drivers. Right at the screen where it says R to repair, something to install, something to exit, I choose repair, and it immediatly powers down. I did it again, and this time it powers down a second after this screen comes up.
So this is where I am now. I think I had bad power or something, and I now suspect that the PS or the motherboard might be bad. But since it really consisently powers down at the same point, im confused as to what the problem is.
Anybody have help to offer?

http://www.microsoft.com/security/incident/sasser.mspx
It may not be a virus but when you said Lsass
It may be the PSU.

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Make sure that you don't have more of those spacers that seperates your MB from your case. There should only be like 6 that you need to put on. Any more than what you have screw holes for up top and you're potentially shorting out the board to the case. Luckily I didn't cause any damage and as soon as I put only the necessary spacers in, I had full boot up.
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jebradec41
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