L&M Optical Disc West?

Salutations all -
Getting ready to replicate a DVD (DVD5) and am leaning toward L&M Optical Disc West. They average about 70 cents less per DVD than anyone else we've found. We need glass master / library case plus we'll get the sleeves printed at Digital Spectrum. Both are in Valencia, CA. They were recommended to my business partner - but I can't ascertain anything else as their website is a single pager...
Can anyone shed some light on this - why they're so much cheaper - or has anyone used L&M Optical Disc West and Digital Spectrum? With so many knowlegable DVD pros eyeballing this page, thought I'd ask.
Thanks
paul
PowerBok FW800 1.5 GHz Mac OS X (10.3.9)

There is nothing technically wrong with L&M. Just about everyone in the LA area uses them at one point or another. They are almost entirely adult media. They are without a doubt the cheapest you'll ever find.
What L&M lacks is support to the customer. They are very cheap, but in return for being so cheap, you get okay service much of the time, and very bad service some of the time.
You'll run into situations where the date you're given is missed. And then missed again. When you call and ask why, you'll play the phone shuffle game for a good while. When you finally reach someone with an answer, you'll find the answer is not an answer at all. It's more like, yeah we missed your date. Sort of an acknowledgment, coupled with the attitude of, "oh well, it will get done when it gets done."
I've known companies that can deal with that for a good long time. But after a while, here is what almost always happens. You start to organize your business well, and set street dates. You start to organize your replication schedule around those street dates. You begin to depend on the dates you're given, and thus plan a schedule with the DVD authors and the replicators. The replicators blow your dates, and you have no solid answers because L&M isn't personal enough to care too much about your schedule. If you get upset with them, there are plenty more waiting in line to take advantage of the rock-bottom prices.
Technically speaking, there is nothing wrong with L&Ms manufacturing. Anyone in here who dismisses them as "you get what you pay for" isn't dealing with the reality of replication. It's not rocket science. They do a fine job. Their sole problem is, they are always over booked, and they like it like that. It keeps the price cheap, but it's not a good idea if you plan on depending on a schedule.
So many post houses simply give themselves too little time. They find bug after bug after bug at the DLT stages, which should have been discovered at the DVD-R stages. Don't allow yourself to get so close to the deadline date, that you become dependent on L&M to get you out of a jam, cause they might once in a while, but often they will not, and won't give you the answers or support you need.
The discs are fine. It's their ability to care about you as a customer that is a problem.
If that's fit your business model, and it does a lot of folks, then go for it. They are very cheap, the discs are good. You just get bad service.
-Alex

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