L8 missing L7's missing Space Designer's stereo delay ???

I just upgraded to Logic 8 from Logic 7, I know I'm a bit behind. But my absolute favorite plug-in in L7 was in Space Designer "long vocals" the stereo delay. It was sooo good. So now I upgraded to L8 and I can't find it in Space Designer. It seems like they took it out! Does anyone know where this effect is in L8? Please help me if you can! My email is [email protected] thank you!

hey, im not sure exactly what you're looking for. but try going to the unofficial logic pro help forums ( http://www.logicprohelp.com/ ). scroll down to plugins and channel strip settings, and im pretty sure there is a thread there for it... oh actually infact, here it is : http://www.logicprohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=45520
just remember to thank the guys at the forum, as its only polite..

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jlb223 wrote:
I recently purchased some impulse responses. I am trying to load these into Space Designer on Logic 9.1. They have been supplied as L, R and C wav files. It says that Space Designer supports 'true stereo' impulse responses, where there is a seperate wav file for L and R. But I can't work out how to load both files? Has anyone on here successfully loaded True Stereo responses in Space Designer? The set of responses also includes 'quad' files consisting of just one stereo file - should I be using these instead?
If anyone could help/offer any advice I would be very grateful
Many thanks
jlb
If the impulse responses are Stereo Interleaved audio files, then they load into Space Designer as true stereo impulses.
Note : make SURE you create the space Designer on a STEREO AUX or channel, otherwise its mono--->Stereo, and will load mono impulses. At least that what it does on my system. They same impulse sounds very different when fed a mono source VS a stereo source...
As for "QUAD" sources, it does not support them, at least I do not think it does.
Try loading a Space Designer on a 4-channel audio track (a QUAD) track, and see what happens.
Also, those QUAD files are probably 4 mono audio files contained in the one file. I've seen these before...
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Space Designer True Stereo file channel config.

X-Post
I'm trying batch convert IR's for Logic users.
I have created true stereo IR's (not with the logic impulse utility)
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Left Side-Left&Right.wav
Right Side-Left&Right.wav
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Just to try to help: as you say, this is a cross-post. Perhaps if any Impulse Response Utility users would like to respond, it might be better for them to do so in the +Logic Pro 8 Forum.+ There are a lot more experts in there… you may have had a reply already by now!
Here's the link: [http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2057446&tstart=0]

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In tweaking my studio setup, I took this approach to balancing my monitors:
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Wm J Heart wrote:
Hi,
In tweaking my studio setup, I took this approach to balancing my monitors:
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Then: I un-bypassed Space Designer on the Master output (with the TestOsc running) and discovered that it (Space Des..) is strongly affecting the stereo balance - as observable at the Master Out VU meters (& speaker output). The phenomenon is different with various individual SD presets...
Why is this happening?
Because Space Designer uses stereo *impulse response* files, through which the audio is processed into reverb. If you do not dial in any Dry signal (did you?) you will hear only the fully processed signal. This can vary enormously, as it is shaped by the impulse response file, which is effectively an audio file. It determines what happens to processed signal. Now if you only hear the processed signal, the differences between presets can be as big as the differences between any two audio files.
So... you may have to adjust the Dry-Wet dials on the right of the SpaceDesigner interface. to balance the reverb and the original signal.
Socalled Send presets have no dry signal dialed in, because sent signals should be fully processed and not 'double up' the original signal.
O, and on the left of the SD-interface is a slider to alter the stereo image, which can also be set to mono.
I'm concerned about creating my mix in a large orchestral template without an understanding & control of this phenomenon....
O, I also think that a test oscillator is not the best "guinea-rig" to try out a convolution reverb - unless you're seriously engineeringly measuring stuff, just try 'm with their intended instrument...
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http://documentation.apple.com/en/logicstudio/effects/index.html#chapter=12%26se ction=0%26tasks=true
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http://documentation.apple.com/en/logicpro/usermanual/index.html#chapter=10%26se ction=9%26tasks=true
http://documentation.apple.com/en/logicpro/usermanual/index.html#chapter=27%26se ction=11%26tasks=true

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Thanks for your input.
Just to clarify, I am getting the spike once the audio data stops sending through the SD plugin (whilst the song is still playing). So, for example I may send a 10 second bit of audio through the plug - this works fine. Then once the audio stops sending and the reverb trail finishes....I then get the CPU going mad - and yet there is complete silence within the song - there is nothing else playing!
This has got to be a bug or conflict of some kind - my computer spec is massive and should be able to cope with a stereo bit of audio through one plugin! (Hope this makes sense.)
There have been a couple of posts similar but no answers as yet...
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L8 missing L7's missing Space Designer's stereo delay ???

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