LAB Default in "color books"?

I work with a commercial printer and have many clients that use pms colors in their business collateral.....
why is it that now, the default when using spot colors from color books is LAB?
It is a complete hassel and has shifted the color on almost ALL of my client files to print.
The conversion from the Illustrator default (LAB) to CMYK or to a PMS spot is soooooo wonky and everything looks very muted.
EXAMPLE:
Please someone tell me how to change this....
I found this from an old discussion on the color shift from 5.5 - 6
Has this not been resolved and will I have to use the old Pantone Color Library instead of the new?

My question is now,
although the print and screen versions will have more consistency -
and using LAB colors should create greater consistency among various devices -
why are the conversions to color builds very very different?
Is there new RIP Software to go along with this?
(This is pushing a lot of trial and error on the printers end, considering the end product is what our business is based on)
*SIGH* what to do?
Also I am now on Adobe CC and the link seems to inform on a "work-around" for CS6...I've been trying to do the step-by-step in the Cloud with no success, I think the step 5 & 6 differ from CS6-CC.....

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