LAB Swatches produce different colors in ID, PS & Illy
Hello. I have CS4 and have sychronized the color management settings. I have a set of swatches in .ase format that were defined as LAB process colors. When I load them into InDesign, Photoshop and Illustrator they all three produce different CMYK values - differences large enough that they can't be the result of rounding errors. This surprises me given that I've sychronized the color management settings. Do each of these three programs use a different formula/set of instructions for LAB>CMYK conversion?
Make a Spot swatch in Lab Mode in an RGB or CMYK doc in Illustrator
(not as Process swatch, not in RGB, not in CMYK)
Save as PDF
Oben doc in Photoshop in Lab mode
Measure Lab values - they are the same as in Illustrator.
Place doc in InDesign
InDesign doesn't change Lab numbers in placed graphic.
So far it´s guaranteed that Lab values are preserved across the three programs.
The appearance depends on local color settings and gamut clipping issues.
Even if the color settings should be globally the same - there are local settings,
like the document color mode in Illustrator. Which settings RGB or CMYK are
correct for Lab docs? No idea, I'm not bothering about appearance in this case,
because there is another ugly problem already luring: gamut clipping.
A Lab or Spot can be in-gamut or out-of-gamut for a specified RGB space and
specified CMYK-space.
Spots by Lab values which are definitely in-gamut or out-of-gamut for sRGB
resp. ISOCoatede-v2(eci) are found here:
http://www.fho-emden.de/~hoffmann/munsell15052009.pdf
If we choose Spots with values in-gamut for sRGB, then we have good chance
that they will appear identical in all three programs.
The whole workflow shouldn't be confused by early conversions into a CMYK
space. A ready PDF, still with Lab colors like the mentionend one (except for
text and line black/gray, which is in CMYK K-only) can be converted (as already
mentioned in my first post), into CMYK by Acrobat Pro, which should concern
only the Lab colors, not CMYK K-only parts.
A preview by Softproof in Photoshop (document Lab, Preview ISOCoated-v2(eci)
for instance, can be used to detect ugly effects of gamut clipping early.
Where is Color Management involved?
a) in the monitor appearance of Lab values. This should be identical for in-gamut
swatches.
b) in the final conversion of Lab to CMYK. Precisely at only one stage - in Acrobat.
Even if the appearance should not be identical - the Lab values are nowhere changed
in the workflow. Lab values are never out-of-gamut in Lab space.
Another example: Lab data of the mentioned doc were imported in Photoshop,
exported in groups as files (probably as *.ase / Adobe Swatch Exchange, but here
I'm not sure about) and used in Illustrator for experimental Tracing graphics:
http://www.fho-emden.de/~hoffmann/casamunsell24062012.pdf
Best regards --Gernot Hoffmann
Edited: *.ase
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