LaCie 500GB d2 Quadra (Final Cut & DV Cam)

Got a MacBook Pro (2008) only one firewire and i will be capturing my movies from my DV Camcorder and also will be setup up as m default storage for Final Cut. I see in the description of LaCie 500GB d2 Quadra: You can also daisy-chain via FireWire or connected to your DV camera. The disk is even bootable in FireWire for Mac and in eSATA for Mac/PC. so would i really need a buy an ExpressCard to add an additional firewire, has anyone tried this and will it work.
Thanks Charles

I have a bunch of LaCie D2 drives on my Mac mini. They are daisy chained -the mini only has one FireWire port. No problems here.
My point was, the Express Card with eSATA will be way faster than FireWire and you still have the MBP's FW port for your camera if you buy a 800 to 400 adapter for 10 -12 bucks.

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