Lagarith Lossless AVI conversion to H264 color issues

Hey, so right off the bat going to give some specs and stuff.
-Adobe Media Encoder CS6, fully updated
-Intel i7 3770K @4.2 GHz
-AMD 2GB RadeonHD7850
-8 GB (2x4) 1333 MHz DDR3 RAM
So I've got this Lagarith lossless-encoded AVI (via virtualdub) which I've been trying to convert to H264 fruitlessly for a few hours. I've looked around everywhere and the only real solution I've found is using meGUI+Avisynth which seems to have a very steep learning curve with online tutorials being outdated for the most part. So I thought I might ask if anyone would know a fix to this? Whenever I convert from AVI to H.264, there's a shift in color which is very noticable. It seems that the solution is using meGUI to convert the video while keeping rec-709 rather than rec-601, but I was wondering if there was either a way to do this on Adobe Media Encoder CS6 or if anyone could point me to a third party resource which can do the job.
Thanks in advance

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Is there something wrong with my Premiere pro project? When I play my premiere pro project without it going to AE it works fine, no issue. But when I import it into AE the issue is there!
It has to be the Premiere Pro Project or the sequences in that project. Since, like I said above in test number 3: " I made a new Premiere Pro Sequence. Then I went to AE and imported that Premiere Pro sequence, RAM previewed that. And I did not have the problem."
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