Lapel mic, wired to digital recorder (in pocket!)...

Don't laugh... I'm new to video and I'm just testing stuff at the moment...
Ok, I've taken some footage (on a relatively basic camcorder), brought it into FCP, edited it, run it through Compressor and put it on a webpage (which will be my final destination when I'm up to speed and ready with my 'real' content). In fact, I'm really pleased with the image but... no surprise, the audio is lousy.
The way I see it is that what separates the wheat from the chaff in any sort of video production is really the audio, rather than the image. So, without spending a fortune, I'd like - at least during this testing phase - to get come reasonable audio to add to the imagery. This is clearly not possible on the crap mics in camcorders.
In short, I thought of wiring a lapel mic to a little Edirol R-09 (which I already own) which my subject would have in his or her pocket (or attached to his/her belt behind, etc).
Is this likely to give me any kind of decent result? I googled lapel mics and the possibilities seem to be endless, not least 'cos there are lots of wireless ones, too, which I'm not really interested in at the moment.
Any thoughts/suggestions?
TIA,
Hugh

I speak layman very well...
I've used a couple of Sennheiser kits. They're good mics. Essentially you'd have a 9v powered transmitter that attaches to the talent (belt/pocket), then connects to the lav on the talent. Then a 9v powered receiver that will have an XLR connector cable that plugs into the camera. You can usually find camera mounts that the receiver sits in to keep it from jostling around, or just strap it down.
If you purchase a quality camera that accepts XLR or at least a camera that works with an XLR adapter plate (Canon GL1, GL2..etc...the plate mounts under the camera and then connects to the tripod) like this...
http://www.avsupplystore.com/dxa-4p.html
...that adapter would work with wired/wireless XLR units for a non-XLR camera.
You should also consider utilizing the wired Rode mics whenever possible. All in all, you should get a better signal from them than wireless, when shooting situations warrant their usability.
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