Latency Between Outputs After Project Conversion From Logic Pro 9
hiya!
i am experiencing a bizarre kind of latency – between outputs. for example, audio assigned to stereo outs 13-14 will leave my system 120 or so ticks after audio assigned to mono outputs 3 or 4. sometimes mono outputs are out of sync with one another too. there's no apparent rhyme or reason, and the latency itself seems to shift – even with plugins turned off and removed from the channel strips. if i have an aux that's outputting to channels 7-8 and do a send to an aux that outs to 13-14, this audio should be perfectly aligned, but it just isn't.
i experience this problem in sessions converted from logic 9 to logic x, though sometimes it seems to happen within sessions started in logic x. i can't for the life of me figure out why it's happening, but do believe there's some sort of error being introduced in the conversion. i can't find anything anywhere on the internet about it.
one temp fix i found was to insert an I/O plugin into the problematic aux, turn it on with an out assigned, then turn it off. sometimes that's worked, and sometimes it hasn't. i've been able to use delay compensation on certain tracks, but it's not an exact science, and sometimes the compensations themselves need to change in order for the tracks to sound aligned. it's beyond aggravating. in some situations, i've had to re-record entire sessions. not tight!
to be clear, this is not about monitoring latency, or having to slide tracks into alignment after recording, or the waveforms on the screen not matching up with what i'm hearing. this is not about plug-in latency. the situation i'm describing happens when plugins are entirely removed: audio that is supposed to be leaving logic at the same exact time via different outputs is somehow not aligned.
my signal chain:
logic pro x.0.7
mac pro quad core (trash can) into -->
apogee symphony 16x16 -->
neve 5059 16x2x2 -->
api 2500 -->
back into the symphony
i've been assured by both apogee and neve and sweetwater that this is not their issue--it's logic pro x. i'm inclined to agree, since it seems to be happening before the audio leaves logic.
please help! many thanks for anything!
godmodeinternet wrote:
thanks for your reply!
to answer some of your answers:
-i have all my channels go through auxes, in all projects, but i did attempt to route audio straight off the channels and encountered the same situation i described above.
-plug-in latency is likely set to ALL at all times, since i often track while in the 'mixing stage'. this is how i've always done everything.
ugh. the worst!
do you think there's anything in environment i might be able to swap around that might have gotten screwed up in the conversion?
thanks again.
I don't think it's an Environment issue, however, quite a few people have reported some corruption when importing Logic 9 projects, it usually takes the form of random Inspector Settings for Delay/Velocity and Preferences/Audio - Recording Delay being set to something other than 0 <zero>. This doesn't sound like your problem. Also sounds like your Plugin Latency setting (ALL) isn't the problem.. although if you're recording while mixing it should be set to Audio & Software instruments.
Have you used your hardware system successfully on an earlier version of OSX and Logic 9? If so then the answer is apparent, especially so if you notice it on projects started in Logic-X (current system) although it my take a certain level of project complexity before it shows up.
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Process: Logic Pro [699]
Path: /Applications/Logic Pro.app/Contents/MacOS/Logic Pro
Identifier: com.apple.logic.pro
Version: 9.1.0 (1697.23)
Build Info: Logic-16972300~1
Code Type: X86 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [194]
Date/Time: 2010-01-25 16:00:27.082 +0800
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.6.2 (10C540)
Report Version: 6
Interval Since Last Report: 353037 sec
Crashes Since Last Report: 1
Per-App Interval Since Last Report: 55 sec
Per-App Crashes Since Last Report: 1
Anonymous UUID: 73EEDEEB-4EA1-48AC-B6BA-F87A9AD40B6C
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Exception Codes: KERNPROTECTIONFAILURE at 0x0000000000000000
Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
Application Specific Information:
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Serial ATA Device: WDC WD3200AAJS-40VWA1, 298.09 GB
Parallel ATA Device: OPTIARC DVD RW AD-5630A
USB Device: USB2.0 Hub, 0x05e3 (Genesys Logic, Inc.), 0x0608, 0xfa400000
USB Device: USB Audio CODEC, 0x08bb (Texas Instruments Japan), 0x2900, 0xfa440000
USB Device: USB2.0 Hub, 0x05e3 (Genesys Logic, Inc.), 0x0608, 0xfa420000
USB Device: nanoKONTROL, 0x0944, 0x010f, 0xfa423000
USB Device: Basics Desktop, 0x0d49, 0x7410, 0xfa421000
USB Device: CLP-310 Series, 0x04e8 (Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.), 0x328e, 0xfa410000
USB Device: Basics Portable, 0x0d49, 0x7450, 0xfa200000
USB Device: Built-in iSight, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x8502, 0xfd400000
USB Device: Keyboard Hub, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x1006, 0xfd100000
USB Device: Apple Optical USB Mouse, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x0304, 0xfd130000
USB Device: Apple Keyboard, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x0220, 0xfd120000
USB Device: BRCM2046 Hub, 0x0a5c (Broadcom Corp.), 0x4500, 0x1a100000
USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x820f, 0x1a110000
USB Device: IR Receiver, 0x05ac (Apple Inc.), 0x8242, 0x5d100000USB Device: nanoKONTROL, 0x0944, 0x010f, 0xfa423000
Hi there,
have you installed the NanoKontrol plug-in for Garageband/Logic from Korg?
If yes,here's how to uninstall it:
Run LP 9.0.2
*Logic Pro/Express*
From the Logic pro/Express menu, select “Logic Pro/Express” - “Preferences” - “Control
Surfaces” - “Setup...” , and open the control surfaces setup window. Click and select
nanoKONTROL icon, push [delete] key on keyboard to delete nanoKONTROL
information.
After deleting the nanoKONTROL information, quit Logic Pro/Express and delete the
following file and folder.
/Applications/KORG/nanoKONTROL Control Surface plug-in
/Library/Application Support/MIDI Device Plug-ins/nanoKONTROL.bundle
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Poor quality on movie after exporting it from Premiere Pro CS5.5
Hi!
As a part of my bachelor thesis in industrial engineering, I am making an animation that shows how different types of water turbines work.
The animation it self, I've created in a program called Autodesk Inventor. From Inventor I get an uncompressed video. This video is usually not possible to open directly, but when I convert this with FreeMake video converter, it works
Conversion in FreeMake:
From:
RAWVIDEO
1280 * 720
16:9
663,554 Kbps
30 fps
To:
. Avi, mpeg4
1280 * 720
16:9
3283Kbps
30fps
The video looks great now, but now when i have finished editing the film in Adobe Premiere Pro CS5.5 and exported it, the lines are very blurred and bad. I've attached a picture showing what I mean. I have tried many different settings in Premiere, but i cannot get it any better.
The picture on the left is after exporting, the image on the right is after converting it in FreeMake Video Converter.
Have tried with the flicker removal, but with poor results.
Does anyone have any tips on what I can do?Thank you for the warm welcome
Yes, the video from autodesk is uncompressed avi. These files are impossible to import in Premiere, and i cant open them in either VLC or WMPlayer.
After a conversion with FreeMake VideoConverter they are possible to import, and they look very good in VLC.
My Sequence settings are:
Editing mode: HDV 720p
Timebase: 29.97 frames/second
Video:
Frame size: 1280*720
Pixel Aspect ratio: Square Pixels (1.0)
Fields: No fields (progressive scan)
Display format: 30fps Drop-Frame Timecode
Audio:
Sample Rate 48000Hz
Display format: Audio samples
Video Previews
Preview File format: I-Frame Only MPEG
Codec: MPEG I-frame
With: 1280
Height: 720
Maximum bit depth and Maximum render quality is checked.
I have tried with a variety of export settings, but my current ones are:
Output:
Format: Quicktime
Video Codec: H.264
1280*720, 29,97 fps, Progressive, Quality 100, 48000Hz, Stereo, H.264
Aspect: Square Pixels
Render at maximum depth
Depth: 24bit
Use maximum render quality.
One thing I find quite strange is that i have to short clips at the beginning, which both seem fine. -
Is there an upgrade path from Logic Pro 9 to Logic Pro X?
I convinced a friend to purchase Logic Pro 9, not knowing version X was about to be released 3 weeks later. Even though upgrade path always crosses my mind prior to a software purchase, I was not worried - this was Apple. Now it's looking like there's not a built-in upgrade path at all (as there IS with just about every other software company I have bought from). Is this for real? This friend has version 9, and I have version X. So this friend learned everything there is to know about version 9, then I bought version X not even knowing we were out of synch on versions. We were hoping to work on songwriting together, but paying $200 again is out of the question. I notice that the file save under version X has extension .logicx, so is it even possible to exchange files?
my friend with Logic Pro 9 can send files to me but they cannot accept files created with Logic Pro X.
Which is exactly what i said earlier....
You can open Logic Pro 9 projects in LPX but not the other way around.
Apple wouldn't even give me a refund on Logic Pro X (purchased just 3 days ago), which is useless to me now.
There are no refunds from the App Store... That is what you agreed to when you purchased a license for LPX.
Your choice is simply for your friend to update to Logic Pro X or use the audio stem process I outlined earlier (Not something i would recommend doing for any period of time)... or spend even more money on purchasing two copies of a different DAW... and taking the time to learn them and spending time converting over what your friend has already created... and hope your friend hasn't been using the internal plugins found only in Logic Pro... otherwise you have even more work to do...
The reality is, the sensible solution is simply to upgrade LP9 to LPX for $200... (and think of it as the upgrade price even though you can buy the full version for the same amount but that really doesn't matter does it?) Less outlay, less time lost and less hassle, but as always the choice is yours...
I have never, EVER, encountered a software company that treated customers that way.
Then you haven't been in the computer business that long......
Seriously though, you haven't been treated that badly...
You bought LPX at a price that is basically a steal.... and your friend bought LP9 at the same 'deal' of a price.. compared to what Logic Pro used to cost ($1000)
You can 'upgrade' from LP9 to LPX for $200 which is much cheaper than it used to cost to upgrade from , say LP8 to LP9... and the same price as it cost to upgrade to LP9 via the App Storeprior to the release of LPX
The alternatives at this stage would cost you much more money......time.. and hassle..
The only things that truly frustrating is the timing of your friend's purchase of LP9... For that he has my sympathies but it happens... Some people who bought Logic Pro 9 within a month of Logic Pro X being released were given refunds on the LP9 purchase if they bought LPX... Your friend just left it way too late.... Apple has since stopped such refunds.... and you didn't do the research you should have done before you jumped in and bought LPX... Unfortunate but sadly true.
Again, you and your friend have my sympathies for whatever they are worth... but at least the obvious solution is still cheap compared to what the alternatives could cost you now and in the past!
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