Latency issue between Logic & MainStage with guitars
Any reasons why the latency is different between the 2 apps, even with the same setting?
I can use Logic with little problems but Mainstage is unusable with my guitar rig because latency. Even with no plug ins it's huge. Keyboards run perfectly though.
I'm using a 24" silver iMac, 4 Gigs of RAM, 10.5.1, apps on the main drive, recording to an external. The guitar is a Line 6 Variax is going through a POD XT Live (I realize I'll have some latency issues with this but it's not bad at all).
And this might be the problem right here: I'm a ProTools convert so I'm running an 1st generation MBox (USB 1) for the interface (surprisingly without any problems whatsoever).... I'm VERY curious to know if switching to a firewire interface would help the latency issues (looking at the Apogee Duet).
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I'm literally running a guitar straight into my computer (no plugins, no interface, just the "built-in input" on my macbook) and there's a LOT of latency. I'm very experienced with Logic and pro-audio (I have logic on my other computer and it works fine) but for some reason there's a ton of delay on my signal. NO idea where to start with this one. I've examined every option within Logic and nothing seems to be helping. I've changed every parameter, including buffer size, disabling and reenabling core audio, and low-latency mode, but nothing has worked.
Any advice would be appreciated, thanks.
Also, I'm using a late 2011 15" Macbook (Quad core, 4 GB ram)Never heard of this before... what are you using for output in Logic's Audio Prefs?
Are you on 10.7.5 as you signature says? There is a supplemental update for early builds of 10.7.5 that were released.
Take a look at the Audio portion the "Audio-MIDI Setup" in Utilities.
Bit-depth, sample frequency? Try it at 16-bit 44.1kHz. Is Logic set to the same?
What kind of cable are you using to get the guitar into Logic, the Mac audio input jack is multifunction, could you be partially enabling the digital I/O.
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Issue using logic pro with bfd 2.0 - not enough RAM?
Right, I posted a little while ago when I first installed BFD 2 on my mac pro, and was having problems whenever I tried to use any effects (either in Logic itself or in the BFD 2 program) whilst using BFD 2. What I think I forgot to mention was I was trying to do different processing on different "areas" of the drum kit, and I wanted to use the Logic effects, so I had a number of tracks with BFD 2 loaded as the instrument.
Well, I phoned a local Apple-certified shop to ask for advice on this, as nothing I'd tried had fixed the issue. The guy suggested I try a clean install of the OS and Logic and BFD 2, to see if that fixed the issue. I* have done this, and logic now works with BFD 2 and effects when I have just one BFD 2 tracks, but as soon as I add another and program some MIDI notes into the 2nd instance, even just a bar or two, then play the whole song, there is a large amount of digital noise. Now, on my mac pro, i only have one HDD - the system disk - and 4 gb ram. I had just now come to the conclusion that, with the minimum spec for Logic being 1GB, and for BFD 2 being 1GB, with the OS running as well it's actually likely the system is short of RAM. But now I see that it can also be an issue if your Logic project is stored on your system disk.
So I'm thinking of getting both an extra, internal (SATA) HDD, and an extra 8GB RAM at least. Is this likely to solve the issue? I'm not currently using an interface with it, and as I say, with just one BFD 2 track, it's fine, the issue is caused when I try to add more BFD 2 tracks. Obviously, without an interface, I am unable to try recording audio to see if there is an issue with that too.You also need to upgrade to the latest version of BFD2. There were many fixes. You should also install BFD2 samples on another hard drive. The 4 gigs of memory you have is more than enough. Your main problem is probably not installing the samples of a separate drive. Hope this helps. BFD2 is an incredible program once you have it set up properly. As noted previously switching from 24 bit to 16 bits will help also.
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Are there compatibility issues between Logic Pro 9 and Mavericks?
As the marker passes over the Arrange-window (when playing or recording) it leaves the space behind it black. Does anybody know why this happens and how to deal with it? I haven't yet had any other problems (besides the usual loss of some EXS-samples.
Only Logic Pro 9.1.8 is officially supported under Mavericks. So: update!
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Digi002R latency issue with Logic
I am having latency issues with my Digi002R and Logic Express. I read up here somewhere on the forum that if you initiate the Digi Core Audio manager first, set the buffer size to say 128, and then launch Logic it should sort out the latency issue. But I am still having problems. When I open Logic and set the buffer to 128, there seems to be the same latency as there is at 512. I have the lastest audio drivers. Is there something else I am not doing that can correct the latency issue. I hope the answer isn't get another audio interface. I see that there are other users on this forum that have had no issues with there Digi002R. I know that it isnt very compatible with CoreAudio, but there must be some way to resolve this issue.
Hi,
I have the same unit as you, and did extensive latency tests.
I know that it isnt very compatible with CoreAudio, but there must be some way to resolve this issue.
This is false. Digidesign makes both the software and the hardware. It is completely compatible. You might have to get a different version CS update from Digidesign, but since you are not giving me the Core Audio software version, I can't tell you if you do need an update, or not. So far Digidesign has gone to version 7.3.1cs4, which is a recommended update for ALL users. Is this what you are running?
Here's the link to an excel spreadsheet and a PDF version as well:
http://nicksevilla.com/audioworld/LogicTests.html
Check my spreadsheeet to see what I got as far as latency, and see if you can also do the latency test. I really want to see what numbers you are actually getting on your system, so I can update my spreadsheet as well.
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Hello evryone,
I am using Logic 8 with Reason 3.0 and have a Digi 002 as my audio interface. I have set up an aux track in Logic with inputs being RW:L/R and outputs 1&2. When I open Reason after I have opened Logic and go to play an instrument in reason there is massive latency. I've tried messing with the plu-in delay compensation in Logic's prefs. and it didn't have any effect. When I use this set-up with Protools it works beautifully and I don't have any issues like this. Does anyone have any answers or suggestions. Thanks, E.MHi and thanks for the response. I forgot to mention in my previous post that I have indeed changed the buffer size time and time again and it has not helped. What is going on forum? This seems to be a common problem I am having with Logic. Why is it so easy to have a set up like this in PT but not in Logic. Ever since I bought this program I have had nothing but stupid little problems like this. Apple, what's going on with the design of this program. How can you have so many cool features and yet not have the most basic things work properly? I am at my wits end as I am wasting time with this product and am about to throw it out the window, trash it to other musicians/composers and go back to PT. Really, where is the Apple support team on this?
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Latency issue Logic pro 9.1.3.
Hey,
At the same time as upgrading to Logic from Garageband
I bought a Cakewalk Roland UA25EX ext usb soundcard because i was told
i'd have latency issues if i used the caps lock keyboard for midi
or direct input thru the input jack of
my MacBookPro
(5,3 Intel Core 2 Duo 2.8 GHz)
Sometimes i use the caps lock keyboard to sketch in midi ideas and mostly it's ok.
Other times it's delayed and there's no smile on my face.
When recording with guitars/303/generators DI thru the soundcard
I have latency issues that don't seem to be very regular.
Sometimes it's worse than others.
I make sure i have nothing else running on the computer,
just Logic Pro 9.1.3, so it's not like i'm overloading macbrains.
I have tried all the rebooting, i/o buffer size changing (down to 256), headfones from the mac output/headfones from the soundcard/ etc
but still no luck.
I can record with the low latency button on
and it's kind of better, nearly, but that means i don't get to record with the effects on the channel strip
that affects the recording/playing quite a lot, as i'm used to recording with effects/guitar amps if i go DI.
This was the selling point - that i could record DI wthout disturbing Thee Neighbours.
It seems to have gotten worse recently.
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it seems weird that a Pro app that cost me so much £s wouldn't work in a simple recording/bounce down set up?
or has anyone else had this problem and fixed it?
If i wipe Logic and install again would i have to go from my Logic Express and then up to my Logic Pro upgrade/extension again?
Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advanceHey Fox,
Thanks for that info -well umm, yes i installed the correct drivers.
I use just the AU plugins or the basic logic ones on the channel strip
but even when i was going in dry there was still a delay.
I had experimented with the buffer size, as mentioned, but not gone down that low cus
last time i tried that i had other strange things happen!
But i will try again.
Sample rate was at zero, btw. Always says zero.
But today, when i just opened logic, the sample rate had changed. Strange. I need to understand this side of things so i'm gonna read up.
Also, if plugins are involved, i installed some novation bass station and some freeware TAL bass synth
stuff recently but don't have them up when i'm recording.
Maybe they sit there quietly and interfere just by their facial expressions or sumthing!!
I booted Mr MBP just now and i pulled out the USB and he's shining me a big ole red optical light
out of his output jack!!
In SysPrefs it has only optical digital as an output option.
In the last few days as i was playing around trying to correct the latency issue i noticed that the output options had changed to the UA25 and the 'digital optical' options - rather than the UA25 and 'line out'.
I'm off to go and read up on how to get my line out back, and try this buffer thing again.
Thanks again
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Help !!! LogicPro 9.1.8 Latency Issue on OSX 10.6.8 with Apogee Duet
Help !!! LogicPro 9.1.8 shows 10.52 ms roundtrip latency with ApogeeDuet (FireWire) I/O Buffer size set to 128 samples ?!
Also I have Low-Latency mode turned on when I track .... as checked above.
Using a condensor mic (AT250), I am trying for days to track vocals and I swear I can ALWAYS 'feel' the latency creep in ....
Can someone shine me a light pls, would be most kind of you...
Thx in advance,
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But... How do I feed any of Logic's channel strip settings into my headphones while direct-monitoring off the Maestro Mixer ?
Trust me, it really helps to bring out a great performance from a singer if they hear the vocals that are being tracked with a few effects like reverb n' echo in their headphones WHILE they sing/track the vocals.
But what we want recorded is a dry signal, without any of the effects the singer is hearing on his/her headphones while they sing.
Now when I was working exclusively on Garageband, I could do this pretty easy. There weren't any latency issues too till my hard-drive bloated and OSX got sluggish.
Since a clean install and the move to Logic, it's been a mess really. I can't seem to get my way round this yet.
I always have Maestro open btw... In the mixer, the 'From Software' and 'To Hardware' faders are set to 0dB each. And Input 1, where my mic goes, is at 0dB too.
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http://www.brainbeast.com/37/clap-1-large.zip
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Unfortunately iMovie 06 nor QuickTime will not scrub audio as you go frame by frame with the arrow keys so you cannot test it there. If you have some other application such as final cut Pro, you could test it with that.
! IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PERFORM THE TEST YOURSELF:
- Just record a new movie in iMovie 08 - using the built-in mic and i-Sight camera — and see if it is also slightly out of sync
Note: to be as fair as possible — I did a slow handclap ( in order to not challenge the frame rates) - also, in order to get the maximum volume I used an open palm ( clap on the palms with your fingers spread out as you can see I did.)
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Q: Does anyone know a way around this latency issue?
Q: Does anyone know if Apple is aware of this latency issue?I am experiencing the same incredibly frustrating problem as well. When I record directly into iMovie
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I tried the technique suggested here and on other sites of "double-dragging" the clip from the Events pane into a project (one normal drag and one Shift+Cmd drag) so that I had the audio and video as two separate tracks. After muting the audio on the video track, I then attempted to slide the audio over to sync it with the video, but even down at the 1/2 second zoom setting I didn't seem to have enough granularity to move the audio so that it was exactly in sync with the video. I was wishing I could use the arrow keys or something like that to move the audio just one frame at a time.
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Launch the Console application in any of the following ways:
☞ Enter the first few letters of its name into a Spotlight search. Select it in the results (it should be at the top.)
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Select the messages entered from then until the end of the episode, or until they start to repeat, whichever comes first.
Copy the messages to the Clipboard by pressing the key combination command-C. Paste into a reply to this message by pressing command-V.
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How do I fix the compatibility issue between my iPhone 4S with iOS 7 and my Pioneer car stereo? There was no problem with iOS 6, but now I get a message saying "this device is not compatible" and so I can't use Netflix for example. How do I fix it?
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Logic 9 with Roland VS100 Control surface Issue.
Hey guys, Ive got a Roland VS100 to use with Logic 9 here.
The VS is setup directly according to instructions as well as Logic.
The issue is when I push play on the VS 100, Logic stays in the first second and just stutters, the transport will NOT move down the timeline.
Ive checked all the syn setting in Logic and mad sure the VS 100 was set to " other" for Control Surfaces which it uses Mackie Contorl Universal.
Any ideas? Sonar forum is no help. Loop is OFF before anyone asksI was fortunate and only have to do it once. I did this over a year ago, but from what I remmber I updated the operating system on the VS100 first, then the drivers for my mac.
I use an AKAI MPK25 for midi. I directly connect it into the mac using one of the USB ports. No issues and works great with Logic.
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I am sure there is a simple solution to this ... I haven't found it on my searches yet.
In Logic 7.2 I am routing BFD auxiliaries to one bus and running some overall compression and eq. Now I have latency on the bus and it is lagging behind the rest of the tracks. What can I do to compensate and pull it back up to speed with the other tracks?I am sorry no one has seen fit to help you with this problem however help is at hand please take time to read this very carefully. I believe this is your answer you seek, The reason I have gone into such depth is simple so that you will have a grounded understanding of how logic address the problem and also what plugs in Logic have Latency within them by default. Well here goes
Logic Pro 7.1: Full Plug-in Delay Compensation can cause late recordings and increased latency
In Logic Pro 7.1, if you set Plug-in Delay Compensation to All, any new tracks you record will be late and out of sync with previously recorded tracks. You may also experience increased latency when playing Audio Instruments live. Here are some concepts behind the issue and tips for resolving it.
About full delay compensation
One of the new features in Logic Pro 7.1 is full delay compensation across busses, aux channels, and outputs. This means you can place plug-ins that normally induce latency on busses, auxes, or outputs, and the audio routed through these plug-ins will be in sync with everything. Logic achieves this by calculating the amount of delay caused by plug-ins assigned to a bus, aux, or output, and delaying the streams sent to other busses, auxes, or outputs by an appropriate amount to line everything up. This ensures that all tracks will be synced to sample-accuracy.
Example scenario
To give you a better understanding of what's going on here, let's say you have a simple song with a few drum, bass, guitar, and vocal tracks. All the drum tracks are routed to a bus with several plug-ins inserted that together induce 500 ms of latency. The vocals are routed through another bus that has a set of plug-ins that induce 250 ms of latency, and the bass and guitar tracks are routed straight to the main outputs without going through any latency-creating plug-ins. If latency were not corrected, then the bass and guitar tracks would play 500 ms in front of the drums. The vocals would be 250 ms in front of the drums but 250 ms behind the guitar and bass.
With full delay compensation engaged, Logic Pro will delay the streams sent to the outputs for guitar and bass playback by 500 ms to line them up with the drums, and will also delay the bus the vocals are streamed to by 250 ms to line them up with the drums and guitars. The precise calculations are handled for each stream automatically. During playback and mixing, the delay created to compensate for plug-in latency is imperceptible, but it can cause problems if you do any tracking after turning on full plug-in delay compensation. These recordings will be late because of the delay that Logic imposes to compensate for latency. The degree of lateness will vary, depending on which plug-ins are in the signal chain.
Eliminating latency
There are several ways to deal with these latency issues. The best way is to simply avoid setting up any signal routing that involves using plug-ins that create latency on busses, auxes, or outputs until you are done tracking. Once you start mixing, go ahead and set up any routing you like, including setting Plug-in Delay Compensation to "All."
If you can't avoid recording tracks after setting up such a routing scheme, then bypass any plug-ins you have on busses, auxes, or outputs that create latency, and change your delay compensation setting from "All" to "Audio tracks and instruments" while you are recording. You can quickly bypass plug-ins by Option-clicking on their inserts in the Track Mixer. You can toggle the Plug-in Delay Compensation setting by choosing Logic Pro > Preferences > Audio > General, or by setting up a key command for "Plug-In Delay Compensation: All." This key command will toggle the delay compensation setting between "All" and "Audio tracks and instruments." When you finish recording, re-enable the plug-ins on the busses and toggle the delay compensation setting back to "All."
Note: Bypassing plug-ins on Outputs will not eliminate the latency that they create. To eliminate it, you must remove these plug-ins entirely from the Output's insert slots.
If you are recording audio, another strategy would be to choose Audio > Audio Hardware & Drivers, then disable Software Monitoring. You would then need to monitor your recording via an external hardware mixer, or third party software mixing application that may be provided with your audio interface. When Logic is not providing software monitoring of incoming audio, then it can correctly position audio recordings even when full delay compensation is enabled. It is important to note that this technique will not help with recording Audio Instruments.
For the same reasons as described above, you may get increased latency when playing Audio Instrument tracks live if the delay compensation is set to All. As with recording audio tracks, try to complete any Audio Instrument recording for a song before turning on the full delay compensation. If you find it necessary to add a new audio instrument recording after setting up a signal routing that involves latency-causing plug-ins on busses, auxes, or outputs, then follow the same advice stated above for adding recorded audio. You may also notice that the meters on busses, auxes, or outputs that have delay-compensated plug-ins will not be in sync with the tracks that are routed through them—however, the audio will be sample-accurate. Additionally, the Song Position Line's visible position will not be compensated. Unless you are using an exceptionally large set of delay-compensated plug-ins, this should not be particularly noticeable.
Another effect with delay compensation set to All is that MIDI tracks triggering external sound modules will be out of sync. This is because Logic has no direct control over the audio output of external devices. A possible solution for this would be to route the audio outputs from the external MIDI devices to inputs on your audio hardware and monitor them through Logic. This way, the audio streams from the MIDI devices can be compensated during playback. Using Logic's External instrument to route MIDI to your external devices is an ideal way to work in this situation.
Here is a list of Logic plug-ins that cause latency:
Adaptive Limiter
Limiter
Multipressor
Noise Gate
Silver Gate
Linear Phase EQ
Match EQ
EnVerb
Space Designer
Denoiser
Pitch Correction
Pitch Shifter II
Vocal Transformer
Some third-party Audio Unit plug-ins may also cause latency—refer to the user guide for the respective products to see about this. All plug-ins that run from DSP cards such as the PowerCore or UAD card have inherent latency. Logic Pro compensates for the latency of any of these third party plug-ins, but as with Logic's own plug-ins, avoid assigning those that exhibit latency to busses, auxes or outputs until you are finished with tracking.
You may also find that simply bypassing plug-ins that run from DSP cards will not be sufficient to correct the latency they induce. If you are using these plug-ins, there are a couple of ways to deal with this. One would be to remove the plug-in entirely while you are recording tracks, and then re-insert them when you're done recording. Be sure to save your settings for each of these as a preset first, so that you can recover the appropriate settings when you re-insert them. Taking this idea a bit further, you could save the entire channel strip setting for each bus, aux or output that uses plug-ins that cause latency and then easily reassign everything for each channel in one go.
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