Layer Break Setting - Visual Guide please

I freely admit I am stealing this idea from another package - DVD-Lab Pro.
In this, there is a visual representation in the movie timeline that shows the author where the acceptable range for the Layer Break is - and as a result, will tell me at a glance if I do not have a suitably placed Chapter Point that can become the Layer Break cell start sector.
At the moment, it is very hit & miss setting the layer break as the manual setting does not work properly. Automatic is fine - but what if more control is required? A visual representation would help no end.
Screenshot of what I mean available by request!

Ha, ha! With advice like that you are not going to get very far.
I just saw ImgBurn in your post and ignored the excellent description you provided of the rest of your system.
Toast is mentioned as the Mac option for burning instead of Encore. I do not know if Toast will allow you to handle layer breaks.

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Burning an dual layer cannot set layer break manually

Burning an dual layer disk with layer break set to automatic seems to be causing to "stutter" somewhere in the middle of the project three or four times as if the layer break is not properly set. I did try this on two (new) burners and with several disks with the same result.
The picture stay still for about 2 or 3 seconds, 3 or four times and starts each time again losing some frames. Before and after that the project plays well.
I did try to make an manual layer break, setting the layer break to manual to look if this can override the problem. But when I do so, the burning process starts without asking where I should set the layer break.as it does when you set it to automatic.
It looks if the manual layer break is not functioning. I start Encore in the administrator mode.
Anyone suggestions what this can be?
Thanks for replying
Chrids

You're right, I didnot have any problems with 2.0, but this version don't work correctly..Some times an already transcoded project changes in an untranscoded project without doing something, and more unexpected things appears ones in a while.
And this in not the only backwards devellopement of the Adobe editing system.
I did work with PPRO 2.0, Encore 2.0 and Audition 2.0 not having any problem.
Changing to PPRO 5.5 and Audition 5.5 and building a new computer on Adobe specs and this forum suggestions, I ren in as much problems that I am thinking of completely remove this and go back to the old 2.0 versions.
It looks as if the develloppers of Adobe lost the professionality needed to devellop a more or less plug and play system. Pitty.
Thanks for replying
Chris

Layer break solution for a single 2 hour continuous timeline (DVD-9 DL) in GEAR?

Having a single 2 hour continuous timeline in Encore project. When the project is exported there isn't any non-seamless cells in the layer break window that GEAR is providing. According to DVD specification the layer break should be set to a non-seamless cell. So, how to properly set the layer break when there is no legal layer break cells in the layer break window?
The only solution I know is using PGCEDit to change one cell's type to non-seamless and use this as the layer break cell. In PGCEDit you double click the VTST and see all the cells. Pick one cell (that exists in the layer break window calculated in GEAR LB spreadsheet) and de-tick the "seamless joint" checkbox of the cell you want to use as the LB cell, then choose OK to exit the VTST panel. Save your DVD (remember to have at the Options -> Output -> leave 32k of space, selected when saving). Now you have a dvd standard non-seamless cell for the layer break.
Couple of questions rise:
Is this 100% legal and risk free to change the cell type like this or is there something more to it? Do you also have to uncheck from the cell's "Flag type panel" in PGCEdit the "seamless angle change" and the rest of the flags in order for this to work the way fully intended?
Has anybody done this in a situation like this for a commercial title?
Is there any other way to achieve a legal LB for a one long continuous timeline without non-seamless cells existing?
PS. I have also a one cell just outside the layer break window that GEAR is providing me, alraedy marked as a non-seamless cell. I can't use this cell in GEAR though as a layer break cell as this cell is outside the layer break window. Any ideas why Encore has outputted this cell as non-seamless? maybe it comes from the Automatic layer break setting in the Encore's BUILD panel when you output a folder? Even though when you export as a Folder, it shouldn't set actual layer break to it, but maybe it still sets the intended LB cell's type to non-seamless? Is there any way to get GEAR to respect the layer break that Encore has automatically set if you export your project as image from Encore (and I guess when the project is build as an image, the layer break actually should be set there, right?).

Try to convert the audio to AC3 file, that should be a quick fix.
Do you have motion menus or any other elements? 2.96 and 928 should bring you in fine (take a look here http://dvdstepbystep.com/faqs_2.php - which way are the numbers - the larger or smaller when using Get Info?)

Setting a Layer Break for GEAR Pro Mastering Edition with EncoreDVD & IFOEdit

Setting Layer Breaks Manually for Encore/GEAR Projects
Although we can write straight to a DVD+R DL disc directly out of EncoreDVD 2.0 and we can also create our Master DLT tapes directly out of EncoreDVD 2.0 also, there are times when these options simply are not sufficient.
For example - we wish to Verify the successful writing of a DLT Tape, or we wish to create a QC disc for our clients in DVD-R DL format.
Either way, the "option" of using a +R DL disc is often unacceptable.
Another very good reason for +R DL discs to be NFG is that they are NOT DVD-Video format, and as such tend to expect the layers 0 and 1 to be of equal size.
Yet another reason could simply be we are using EncoreDVD 1.01, which does not support direct writing of any DL discs at all.
The solution is to use GEAR Pro Mastering Edition to create your DLT or DVD-R DL disc directly from your Encore project instead.
And here's how you do it.
You are going to need copies of both GEAR Pro Mastering Edition, EncoreDVD (any version) and finally a copy of the freeware application IFOEdit http://www.ifoedit.com/. Additionally, we will also need the GEAR Layer Break Calcuulator, provided for free on their excellent support site at http://www.gearsoftware.com/support/documentation/layerbreakcalculator.xls
Now we are ready - lets look at how it is all done. Don't be put off by what looks like a lot of math here either - this gets easier every time you do it and all it takes is a little common sense and practise.
The best way to proceed is to use EncoreDVD to build your project to a folder. This will not make any Layer Break settings at all, and will allow us to create a new DL Project in GEAR and also allows GR+EAR to build the UDF/ISO structure for us.
So once we have written our tested and checked project to a folder, the next step is to close out of EncoreDVD and launch GPME. By the way - if you're not certain that you need the expense of GPME for a one-off project you can simply download their 30 day trial version and use this as it is 100% fully functional in every way - there are no limitations at all.
When GEAR loads, select to create a new DVD-Video project and be certain you tick the DVD9 box in this screen too. Another window will appear now asking you to locate the folder where the Video_TS files are stored. Point this at the Video_TS folder and GEAR will create a basic DVD9 project for you.
Next we need to load up the Excel Spreadsheet with the Layer Break Calculator we downloaded earlier. I always use a different machine for this as I don't have Office installed and any open source application that can read an XLS file will do the job. If you don't have one, I recommend either OpenOffice or Star Office to do this. There are a lot of helpful calculators in XLS mode, and you won't regret it. Just try to keep all this stuff well clear of your authoring system though. But I am rambling, and I'm sorry. Back to buiness.
Once we have loaded up our Layer Break Calculator, we need to enter in some numbers.
Back over in GPME, where we have our shiny new DVD9 project sat there waiting for instructions, there is a file structure on the lower left hand side of the project screen. Att the top of the list we should see something very much like "VOLUME (projectname) (DVD-Video ISO/UDF)"
Right-click on this, and select "Properties". A screen will appear with all sorts of numbers in it, and we ignore the lot of them except for the "Total Volume Size in Sectors" - which we need to write down, nip across the room to our spreadsheet, and type the number in right at the top where it says "Total Volume (project) Size"
Another set of (probably) meaningless numbers appears - and the 2 we are interested in here are the ones where it says "RULES" and specifically "Layer Break Point must be Greater than .....
And Less than.....
Write these 2 numbers down, and hop smartly back across to where we have our GEAR project open on our authoring machine. Or simply minimize the spreadsheet if we are doing all this on the same system.
We now need to click on the folder marked "Video_TS" in the bottom left of the GEAR screen, and on the lower right we need to click once on the bar in the middle above all the VOB files marked "start sector" to arrange all the files in the sequence they will be on the disc. This makes finding our VTS file so much easier.
Somewhere in that list there will be a file that has that range of numbers in it. If we are really lucky, there will be more than one, which means that one of these will soon become our Layer Break.
When we have identified the correct file, take a note of it's name - it will be VTS_01_4.VOB or something with a similar structure name wise.
Next, we need to write down and enter into the Layer Break Calculator the start sector number of the VTS_xx_1.VOB file that holds our values.
I will try to explain why. If our Sector range is to be found in the example we gave earlier, say VTS_01_4.VOB, we need to note the start sector of the file VTS_01_1.VOB. This is because all these VTS_xx_x.VOB files are all extensions of the same file. They are just in handy blocks so that the Computer can keep track of them without breaking any rules about file sizes. Anyway, we write down the Start Sector of the file VTS_xx_1.VOB where xx is the file where the Layer Break range is to be found.
Just to try & make the concept clear, if the range were found in the file VTS_05_5.VOB, our start sector we need to write down is VTS_05_1.VOB
Enter this into the Calculator/Spreadsheet in the place where it says "Chosen Video Object VTS_xx_1.VOB Start Sector.
Now this will tell us exactly where we need to look next, and tell us we now need to hunt for a cell start sector between a range of sectors.
It might be something like "1,148,678 and 2,051,052" sectors.
This is where IFOEdit comes in.
Launch IFOEdit - and you may as well go back to GEAR, and close the project - but not the application. Go to the "File" menu, and from the drop dow select "Delete GEAR Project" and delete the one we just created, as we will need to change it anyway. Why you will find out later on.
From IFOEdit, you will see 2 halves of a screen. Down the bottom left there is an "Open" button. Click on this and locate the Video_TS folder, and specifically the file VTS_xx_1.IFO, where xx is the file we know from earlier the Layer Break will be placed.
Immediately your head will start to ache, your eyes will glaze over & your brain will wave a little white flag, as some serious mathematics suddenly appears (Well, that's what happened to me the first time. I was too fascinated to be confused - sheer bewilderment is perhaps the best expression. And I still don't know what most of it is for.
The one we are interested in can be found in the upper half, and is called "VTS_PGCITI".
Click on this, and a lot of little others will appear immediately below it.
You will see VTS_PGC_1 and so on until you run out of blocks.
The odds are high our layer break will be in the longest file - but this does not always hold true, so we start at the top & work our way rapidly down. What we are looking for is twofold.
1 - A Cell Start Sector within our range defined earlier.
2 - A cell Start Sector flagged as "NON Seamless playback.
If we can fill both these criteria, we have our layer break.
Write this number down, and enter it into our spreadsheet - and close down IFOEdit as we are done with it for today.
Back in the Spreadsheet we are almost done. Once we enter this number in, it will helpfully calculate exactly where in our Virtual image from earlier that sector lies, and will check to see if it is divisible by 16. Don't worry for now why, just know that it has to do this.
The chances are high it will not be, so the spreadsheet will tell you how many sectors the whole image has to be shifted forwards by, and what the new Cell Start Sector is in this revised image. This is automatic, and you get 2 figures.
1 - Offset. This number will be between 0 and 15.
2 - Layer Break Sector.
Time to go back to GEAR, and in our "Options" drop-down menu we will have another one called "Preferences". In this, we need to tell GEAR to ask us for the start sector to be entered for each file.
Now we create our project again - but this time GEAR will ask us for the start sector of VIDEO_TS_IFO, and the figure 640 will be highlighted.
Add our offset figure we were given earlier to this so if our offset was 11, enter in 651.
GEAR will do all the rest automatically for you.
One more job to do now.
Go Back to "Options/Preferences", and under DVD we need to tell GEAR we are changing the Layer Break. Click on the "Change" button, and use the up/down arrows to arrive at our newly discovered Layer Break Value.
Save the project - we're done. And write down that offset & Layer Break whatever you do.
You can now write to DVD-R DL, DLT tapes (and if you right-click on your DLT drive in the lower "Devices" screen, and choose "Properties", you can tell GEAR to verify the tape after writing too. It will write both layers first, then verify each one.
There is, however, a minor "GOTCHA" in GPME when writing DLT tapes.
It is allowed to set the IDENT.TXT file to be included on the DLT tape by means of a tick box. However, as this file is not actually required for replication in DVD-Video, but only in DVD-ROM - GEAR will not include the file
i even if the box is ticked
but it
i does
add a pointer to the file in the DDPID file instead. The upshot of this is that a DLT tape where IDENT.TXT has been selected to be included will be
i rejected by the factory as unusable.
This is because when they try to verify the DDP image on the tape it will fail as IDENT.TXT is NOT on the tape.
You must ensure this box is NEVER TICKED - I fell for this one recently, and had to rework 7 DLT tapes.
There is yet another way to get a DL project to the factory if you do not have a DLT machine, and do not have access to DL discs in the correct format.
Write the DDP images to 2 single layer discs instead!
This requires the use of GEAR Pro Mastering Edition again, and is incredibly easy to do.
What you need to do here is follow the original guides in the FAQ sections for setting the Layer Break manually, but instead of writing the project to DLT tapes or to DVD-R DL/DVD+R DL media, what we do next is write the project to a DDP file on the HDD instead.
This will result in 2 folders appearing - Layer 0 and Layer 1.
Each of these has the necessary information for the replication plant to manufacture the discs - all we need to do is get them onto 2 discs instead of 2 DLT tapes.
This is simplicity itself.
Launch your burning application.
Create a new DVD-ROM project.
Name it (Project)_Layer_1
Broswe to the 2 folders with the DDP files in them, and add the contents in this exact order
DDPID
CONTROL.DAT
IMAGE.DAT
(Checksum.txt - optional)
(Log file - optional)
Burn the disc.
Repeat for Layer 1.
That is all there is to it.
What will happen at the factory is the Eclipse verification system will look for the DDPID file at the root level of the disc. If it cannot find it, it will assume it is dealing with a standard DVD-ROM disc instead, but if it is there it will know what is going on, load the files, and ask for Layer 1 after it has finished in the normal manner.
I hope this helps out - if not, please post in the main forums, and I'll try to help out.

Hi Ryan,
Yes, you'll only get the LB sector number when you format with one of the "tape images" (go with DDP 2.0). And unfortunately, Gear doesn't allow transfer of DDP or CMF Images to DLT.
Gear is working on a version that will incorporate DVD-9 making within the program.
Meanwhile, If you go with the instructions on their site to create a DVD-9, be sure to add: "correct VTS sectors" in the VIDEO_TS folder with IFOEdit, and set the region info in the VMGM_MAT to "0"; and be sure to flag all instances of a cell properly for the layer break, in the case they reside in any Stories that span the Layers.
But if I may; It's highly recommended that you hire out tests on the resulting DDP image to make sure the layer break did indeed fall where you expected, and that there are no other issues (Same goes with any DDP image destined for replication, created by any other program).
Or better yet, consider hiring someone to premaster for you (I wonder who? , who also includes navigation proofing, spec compliance testing (MEI and sometimes with a player bank) and verifying the finished Image (EclipseSuite); all for one low fixed price, i.e. no charge in the event a resubmission to me is required (pre consultation, also included, nips lots of common mistakes in the buds). This insures that only a bullet-proof Image is finally sent in to the replicator.
There I go with commercials again! But for sure, Gear's current DVD-9 method is not for the faint of head; and premastering in general, is not the innocuous activity it appears to be. Real trouble eventually awaits (unless measures are taken), due to the nature of the critter.
Take care,
Trai

PLEASE HELP DEADLINE PENDING...layer break range?

when i try to burn my dvd..and im pretty sure i did everything properly...i get this error msg:
Formatting was not successful. A suitable marker could not be found in the required layer break range. See the DVD Studio Pro User's Manual for more information.
Does anyone know what this means..i have no clue
please help..this project is due tomorrow at 10am
thank you in advance

Some more details on how to set the break, basically there needs to be a marker at the point (can be more than one point) described by Max Average.
So you need to set a Dual Layer Break Point?
Since you are using a Dual Layer Disc, there has to be a break point where it crosses over from Layer 0 to Layer 1, if you have no Chapter Markers at all (or a limited number of Markers, none of which fall near the point where more than half the project will be placed on Layer 0) (Was your test project a DVD-9 also?) -- In general, Layer 0 has to be bigger than Layer 1
What you do is
1.) Set up markers in the areas where your would guesstinmate the Layer Break(s) should be
2.) Build the project (but not format)
3.) Format a Disc (in the dialog that comes up, click on advanced tab, then where it says break point, use the pulldown which will have all valid breakpoint markers dark/black, while non-valid Layer Break Markers will be faded) and selct one of the darkend selections.
4.) Press burn
Some more threads and links to other threads (including the info above)
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=3147573
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=1466846
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=4671267
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=4916558
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=4609543

Dual Layer break point - multiple videos

I have 4 videos to go one the DVD, comes to 8.5 GB in total.
1. 45mins
2. 1hr 15mins
3. 40 mins
4. 35 mins
How do I know which video to put the break point on and at what time.
I've been using trial and error for the last couple of days now and error keeps winning.
All I keep getting are various Error messages, this is my most recent
+Formatting was not successful. Layer 1 exceeds the maximum layer size allowed. Please choose a suitable marker location that will support this condition.+
Thanks in advance
John E
Message was edited by: John England

It could be that you have exceeded the disc size, but assuming you haven't there has to be a break point where it crosses over from Layer 0 to Layer 1, if you have no Chapter Markers at all (or a limited number of Markers, none of which fall near the point which is a bit more than half the size of the assets you will get an error that a Layer is the wrong size.
What you do is
1.) Set up markers in the areas where your would guesstimate the Layer Break(s) should be. (You can build the project and use VTS view to see where about halfway plus a bit is located and make sure to put a few markers in the track in that VTS. Take a look [here|http://dvdstepbystep.com/vts.php] for looking at VTS and builds to see a bit more on that.)
2.) Build the project (but not format)
3.) Format a Disc (in the dialog that comes up, click on advanced tab, then where it says break point, use the pulldown which will have all valid breakpoint markers dark/black, while non-valid Layer Break Markers will be faded) If no marker is black there is no marker in the right place, regardless of you use automatic or not.
4.) If the layer break(s) are not where you would like them (in other words a place where they may be more noticable) use VTS view to re-order then go back to step 1.
If you have not made audio AC3, you should encode to AC3.

How to manually create layer breaking point for DVD9

Hello, I was wondering if someone could please tell me how I would go about to manually set the layer break point for a DVD9 project that I burned onto 2 DLT tapes. The total size of the DVD is 6.3GB.
I had used the "automatic" setting for burning the DLTs and sent them to a replicator. They came back saying that the layer 0 tape did not allow enough headroom for their Ripguard protection.
I've always used the automatic setting and this is the first time I am asked to manually set it. SO now I need to figure out how I can put a certain amount of data on one DLT tape and the rest on the other DLT.
I am a beginner at this so any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!

Hi Eric,
Unfortunately the information you have regarding RipGuard and the ability to copy RipGuard protected discs is a little outdated.
Can RipGuard be broken? Yes, anything can be broken into, including the DoD Website by 14 yr old chinese students... but that doesn't mean there isn't value in protecting the DVD.
Also, RipGuard is regularly updated, just like Antivirus software, so while older versions of RipGuard can be broken more easily, the latest versions of RipGuard are significantly more difficult to circumvent by existing software.
But again, the point isn't to create the unbreakable 'holy grail' DVD copy protection, but rather to protect something of value.
When you leave your house in the morning, do you close your front door and lock it? Of course you do, but why? So no one will break in. But do you think locking up your house is really going to stop someone from going around to the side of the house and busting out a window if they really want to get in? Of course it wont. If someone wants to break into your house, they will find a way.
Same thing with DVDs. You lock your house because it provides a method of protection, a barrier to make it more difficult and to keep honest people honest. That's what RipGuard, or any copy protection software does.
So the question isn't why would you protect your DVD, but rather why wouldn't you? In most cases if you prevent just a few illegal copies of your DVD from being ripped, it has already more than paid for itself.

DL Break Point error.. please help!

Hi All,
I have a really big DSP4 projects with a 78 min feature, and about 15 more 2-5min clips. For some reason, I am having a really hard time setting a break point.
If I choose automatic break, I get:
"Formatting was not successful. A suitable marker could not be found in the required layer break range. See the DVD Studio Pro User's Manual for more information."
...and if I set the breakpoint myself, I get:
"Formatting was not successful. Layer 0 exceeds the maximum layer size allowed. Please choose a suitable marker location that will support this condition."
Please help me out!

Hi, I definitely understand what you are going trough, I spent a whole week trying to find the brake point, after reviewing my tutorial I realized wherre the problem was. Devide the total lenght of the movie by 2 and then add about 5 to 10% to the 50%, than start adding markers on the timeline close together, you are allowed 99 markers, hilight each marker after being used so that you can keep track, if you are reaching the disc limit, than you may be limited to a few choises.I hope this works for you.
G5 Dual 2.0 Mac OS X (10.4.4) ATI 9800 Pro Display Card
G5 Dual 2.0 Mac OS X (10.4.4) ATI 9800 Pro Display Card

DLTs and layer break questions

Hi guys. I have 2 questions on layer break points and DLT tapes. About a month ago, I completed a DL DVD project that was sent out to a replicator on DLT tapes for replication. I had burned DVD copies (from the software not from the DLTs) for testing and had no problem with those. Then I burned the DLTs and had no problem burning those. The tapes went off to the replicator and a few days later I got an e-mail telling me that the replicator received this error - "seamless playback flag not set correctly at layer break". They said they could fix the problem for $175 a layer or $350. So to expidite the problem, the client went ahead and had them fix the problem.
Now here are my 2 questions...
1. It took me some time to find a usuable break point because the disk is so full, there is only a limited area where a valid break point could go. But after I found it, I had no problems with the disks I burned or burning the DLTs. Why would this error then pop up in the replication step if it wasn't an issue before?
2. Now I have a new e-mail from the client saying that when he watches the one-off from the replicator, on certain DVD players there is a jitter during one of the videos that wasn't there on the original test disks I sent him. My theory is that the replicator moved the layer break point to fix the previous problem and that now he is seeing the jitter at the new layer break. (I originally had the break point set in an area of black so any pause wouldn't be noticable). Does this sound like a good theory? And getting back to the question 1 again, why would the replicator have a problem with my DLTs if the test disks I burned worked fine?
Thanks for any advice you can give me.
Power Mac G5 Mac OS X (10.4.8) Dual 2.0, 2.5G RAM, Radeon X800XT

Cmerillo,
The only thing the replicator could do to your Image is properly flag the existing layer break cell as non seamless, if that indeed was what triggered the Eclipse rule. We'd have to see, as other phenomina can cause that error.
If the replicator created another cell in your VOB for the layer break, that's a no no, and they should know better.
Only the authoring system can safely place the layer break cell, due to the fact that if you place a layer break cell after the fact, without the authoring system's knowledge, you'll have video/audio and/or subtitle packs for the previous cell duration (now split), sitting on the second layer 1, the authoring system 'thought' was on the first layer (due to it's proper multiplexing routines). This will cause decoding glitches across the layer break on many players.
So, you might find out what the heck they did; which they should have consulted you on before doing anything. But it sounds like they added a cell for the layer break to your existing VOB.
The only way to get an approximation of what's on the DLT, is to restore the DLT's Image to hard drive and burn a disc from that. Each multiplex and formatting is potentially different (Long story on this fact, but lots of surprises can await if no testing is done on that DDP Image).
Sorry you're having issues. Let me know if you need some help with this one. Or, for sure, please keep us posted as this unfortunate situation progresses.
Take care,
Trai
Trai Forrester
TFDVD Research Labs
DVD/DLT Verification

When i'm building dual layered dvds, the layer break is causing the dvd to skip to the beginning of the next chapter.

when i'm building dual layered dvds, the layer break is causing the dvd to skip to the beginning of the next chapter.

I would echo everything John just said - especially (and this is really important) that part about setting burn speeds to the minimum.
Do not worry about doing this as IMGburn will automatically adjust upwards to the minimum burn speed actually supported by the media/burner combination.
@danielrow.
How are you currently setting your layer break please, and what OS are you running?
If on a PC there is a fantastic tool called PGCEdit that is a swiss army knife and moreover something no authoring house should be without.......

Getting "layer break" error message when trying to Preview a single sided DVD, or build an ISO image or disk folder

Hi! Hoping someone might be able to help with an odd problem. I haven't found anything in the forums or the web that match my symptoms.
I've been using Encore CS6 (v6.0.1.013) on a MacBook retina over the past year to successfully create a number of single sided DVDs with menus, chapters, and all that. I usually make a copy of a previous DVD project, and then replace video assets with the new files and transcodes, move and rename chapter markers, and rework the menus in Photoshop. I then will build ISO images for both DVD and Blu-Ray (both single-sided), and use those to burn many copies of each DVD for clients.
This week, while developing one of these projects, when trying to build a DVD ISO image that looked like it would fit on a 4.7 GB DVD, I received the "layer break" message ("The chosen layer break does not satisfy dual layer requirements. To fix this, either set a new layer break manually, or choose to set layer break automatically.") because (I'm guessing) the material was too long for the 4.7 GB DVD (the Build screen now shows about 5GB of material are in the project). This is the first time I've seen that message - usually Encore just tells me the material is too big for the DVD.
I re-transcoded the material down to well under 4.7 GB (about 3.9 GB), reverted and replaced the transcoded files, and now the DVD build screen shows that there are about 700MB free on a 4.7 GB DVD. But I still have not been able to build any version of the DVD (image, folder, disc), without getting the "layer break" message. I also now get this same layer break message when trying to "Preview from Here" any menu, killing my ability to preview the DVD menus in Encore.
Just to see what would happen, I chose an 8.4GB Dual Layer DVD, and chose "manual" instead of "automatic" for the layer break selection, but never got the layer break selection dialog box, just the "layer break" error message.
I typically build both DVD and Blu-Ray images from the same material in the same project. I use different transcoding settings for each, and I have been able to build a Blu-Ray ISO without this "layer break" error on the Blu-Ray build (which is about 24.5GB when built). And as I mentioned before, this is the first project on which I've even seen this layer break message.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! I'd rather not recreate the project from scratch, but I'm worried that I may have to.
Thanks
Jon

The total project being small enough may mean you have one layer that is too big. Both layers have to be smaller than half the disk, right?
Be sure you "run as administrator" for dual layer projects.
Encore may set the layer break correctly if it finds a good place, but there are numerous complaints about it being unreliable.
Build to a folder (no layer break is set), then use ImgBurn to build and ask to be prompted for layer break. ImgBurn is also unreliable under some circumstances.
The most frequent problems appear to be when there is no good location for a break. Do a search for "layer break imgburn" and you will see a variety of strategies.
http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?/topic/1777-how-to-create-a-double-layer-dvd-video-imag e-file-using-imgburn/
Also see these posts:
Neil Wilkes
http://forums.adobe.com/message/3466255#3466255
Neil Wilkes
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4054265#4054265
Neil Wilkes
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4054269#4054269
Jon Geddes
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4002647#4002647
shuchi shrivastava
http://forums.adobe.com/message/3905911#3905911
Jon Geddes and Neil Wilkes
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4003221#4003221

Got new ATV and all set up. It keeps loosing connection with iTunes on laptop and have tried everything suggested in set up guide. It works fine for a while then the iTunes account vanishes from 'computer' menu TV screen. Full Wifi signal on both devices

Got new ATV and all set up. It keeps loosing connection with iTunes on laptop and have tried everything suggested in set up guide. It works fine for a while then the iTunes account vanishes from 'computer' menu TV screen. Full Wifi signal on both devices so can't think what could be causing it to happen. Any suggestions please?

Sorry, I updated another thread I was a part of but didn't update my own thread.....ughhh!
I updated all of my ATV 2's and 3's to the latest firmware when it was released and have been problem free since. I do believe the major issue of not being able to connect after a period of inactivity has been corrected with the latest ATV firmware.
I can look at my network connection table using "netstat -an" in a CMD window and I do not see the massive number of connections I saw before the update.
Here is a link to the other thread I was referring to above:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/19952545#19952545
Have you applied the latest firmware updates to your ATV 3's?

Can't move Layer break point

Hi,
In desperate straits here. I've created a dual layer project and set a break point via the disc inspector drop down menu. Now I need to change the break point but DVDSP won't execute the change. I've deleted the VTS build folders as Apple recommended but that has no effect. This is the second project- after running into the same problem prior, the only solution that I could find was port all of my assets and start a new project. I was able to set the break point once but now I'm back to where I was the first time. Any help that anyone could give would be tremendously appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Thanks for the reply...unfortunately that isn't the problem. I haven't tested my theory yet, but I now have an idea what happened and if correct, I would consider it a bug. A big bug.
When setting my break point, I did so via the disc inspector drop down menu and went to the track of choice and selected "track" as my breakpoint rather than selecting a mark of any sort. Once formatted and built, it seemed to have locked the breakpoint in place and would not even let me delete the track in an effort to clear it. After porting all of the items (via item descriptions) into a new project I created the breakpoint using a marker in the track. Viola, it now behaves as it should.
I will be testing my theory as soon as I have a free moment...meanwhile, my layer breaks will come from a marker specifically created for it.
Thanks again.
G5 Mac OS X (10.4.3) FCP 5.0.3, DVDSP 4.0.2
G5 Mac OS X (10.4.3) FCP 5.0.3, DVDSP 4.0.2
G5 Mac OS X (10.4.3) FCP 5.0.3, DVDSP 4.0.2

Layer Break Issues

Encore CS4 has been giving me issues with manually setting the layer break on dual-layer disks. I'd like to hear from everyone out there who is using CS4 to create DL disks with a manual layer break. Does Encore always ask where to set the break when you tell it to?

Hi Jim.
Cannot remember back to version 1, and never did a DL disc in 1.5 that I can remember, but certainly CS2/3/4 for me have never worked properly with Layer Break dialogues. One of the problems I faced that cost me a lot of lost face was when I was using version 2 on a live concert DVD for Porcupine Tree.
I worked all the data rates locations of chapter points out manually, and knew that according to the manuals, Encore should use a chapter point if one is available within the range allowed. There were 3 in that range, so I left it as automatic.
Burned a DVD+R DL disc, and on my Denon players the break is often not even noticeable. Client approved, and we created the DLT tapes.
Back came the test moulds, and to my horror the break was not on a chapter point at all but on a GOP header around 31 seconds after the chapter it was supposed to be placed on automatically. Drat. Call the factory, tell them not to press, and I will deliver a new set of tapes in 6 hours time.
Power up DLT, Boot Encore, set break point manually. (Incidentally, Version 2 was the only version that has ever worked on manual mode for me. CS4/CS3 never do. I click on manual, and suddenly nothing happens) and set it to Chapter 17 (it could also have gone on 16 or 18 according to the dialogue)
Rewrite DLT tapes, deliver to factory, get next test mould - same freaking problem. The darn break has not moved.
Turned out that when we analyzed the tapes, the original break point had been left. A long call to Adobe support ended up with the "best guess" option that once the break poiint had been set, it remained set. The Abstraction Layer had a nasty bug and would not allow subsequent editing, it seemed.
Since then, all DL discs have been exported from Encore with no break point set at all to straight folders, and pre mastered in GEAR Pro Mastering Edition.
PGCEdit takes a bit of getting used to, but my lord, what power is there under the hood! It is seriously well worth learning as you can change so much without needing to recompile from Encore. You can even edit the entire CLUT maps change button highlighting, edit links, set cells to seamless/non seamless, alter userops, all manner of wonderful things. ALso - After Effects definitely requires rocket science. It's beyond me. My partner thinks it is great she loves it though.
AFAIK ( and I will check) -R DL is now supported in CS4, not sure about CS3.
Anyway - all that aside, how are you doing Jim? Long time no talk to
Neil
Message from mailto:[email protected] Jim Simon [email protected] at 26-10-2009 08:47:52

Formatting was not successful. A suitable marker could not be found in the required layer break range

When burning to DVD =R DL
5.8g
Formatting finished.
Formatting was not successful. A suitable marker could not be found in the required layer break range. See the DVD Studio Pro User's Manual for more information.

Do you understand about layer breaks? Check the manual on this. Also do some googling. I went thru **** with this a few months back being unable to set a layer break. Finally realized that my dvdsp project had gotten corrupted. Had to rebuild it and then it worked.

Layer Break Setting - Visual Guide please

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