Layout Break Space Before Paragraph

I am using a layout break in pages. I have a heading style with a background fill on my paragraph. I have a before paragraph space of 14. If I place the heading style right after a layout break (at the top of the new layout section) it eats my before paragraph space. Seems like a bug but I thought I would ask if anyone has a solution or workaround.
Thanks
Chris

It may not be completely intuitive, but that is how it is supposed to work. Space before and space after apply between paragraphs in a layout section but not at the beginning or end of a layout section or at the beginning or end of a page. It is sort of like the way the last character in a word can be right against the margin and yet the next line does not have to start with a space; the area outside the margins can "count" for this kind of white space. A layout break works like a margin here, even if it is in the middle of a page (and not necessarily preceded by white space).
If you are producing a multipage document, you normally want the tops of the text blocks of each page to line up at the margin, not jump up and down if one page happens to start with a new paragraph that has a space before set.
To deal with your situation with needing the white space at the beginning of a new layout section, with the cursor in that section, use the Layout pane of the Inspector to set the "Before" margin of that section to, for example, 14 pts.

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