Legacy MBP vs. 2009 MBP

Hello All,
I'm finally in the market for a new 15" MBP to replace my 2.16 GHz variant of the first generation MBP! I'm an architecture student and my core pro uses are running CS4 on the Mac side and various CAD/rendering related applications on the Windows side. My primary goal in getting a new MBP is getting the greatest performance +bang for the buck+. As such I'm looking at both the legacy 2008/2009 models that have been discounted and the 2009 line up that was just released. It seems to me that given my uses the graphics power provided by the 512MB 9600M GT would provide a distinct advantage over the 256MB 9600M GT. As such I'm looking at buying a legacy 2.66 GHz MBP that is equipped with the 512MB 9600M GT as opposed to the similarly priced, newly released 2.66 GHz MBP that is equipped with the 256MB 9600M GT. It seems to me that while the larger battery and better display would be nice to have, my money would be better spend on the higher performance legacy model. Is it correct to presume that the legacy MBP and newly released 2009 MBP are virtually identical with the exception of the battery, display, smaller graphics card and ExpressCard/SD swap? Would the legacy MBP provide better performance given it's larger graphics card or are there changes to the 2009 MBP that would give a performance advantage over the legacy models?
Thanks for your time and advice,
Eric
Here are a few of the resources that I've been using in my research.
[+MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2009) and (15-inch, 2.53 GHz, Mid 2009) - Technical Specifications+|http://support.apple.com/kb/SP544]
[+MacBook Pro (15-inch, Late 2008) - Technical Specifications+|http://support.apple.com/kb/SP499]
[+MacWorld Review of 2009 MBP (Note the Speedmark Performance)+|http://www.macworld.com/article/141185/15inchmacbookpro.html]

Hi MacRambler,
Welcome to Apple Discussion Forums.
I was in a very similar situation when I had to purchase a MPB earlier this week.
Should I go with the newer 2009 model, or Late 2008 model?
I eventually went with a Refurb Late 2008 MBP 2.53 for several reasons...
http://store.apple.com/us/product/FB471LL/A?mco=MjE0NjE5MA
1.) It was $550 cheaper than the newer 2009 Models with Dedicated Graphics. This one also came with 512MB of Graphics Memory vs 256 of the newer one. This was also a $2499 Laptop just 6 months ago. For $1449, its a steal right now IMO.
2.) Despite the new battery innovations, I travel quite a bit, and reading reviews online of 4-4.5 hours or so battery life on the new one (Engadget Review), I felt having a replaceable battery I can swap on the fly was more beneficial. I was fine with losing the hour or so with the legacy battery assuming I could swap it out.
3.) ExpressCard slot is more flexible than a SD Card Slot. Plus, my DSLR uses CompactFlash Anyway .
4.) I was also debating between the refurbs with higher end processors, and ultimately determined the extra 130mhz of the 2.66 wasn't worth the $250 additional price tag over the 2.53 from the refurb site.
I feel the new 2009 model was a lateral move in several ways, not necessarily an upgrade. The biggest deal was the price drops for new units. They're fabulous for the money, but the refurb was much cheaper and had better specs and less compromises.
Now, there are some slight disadvantages from the newer model. Supposedly the screen is better on the newer ones. Supposedly they need to be side to side to notice the difference, but there were rave reviews of the screen when the Late 2008s come out. I figure they were excellent 6 months ago, they're still excellent now. I'm not worried about it. SD card can be useful for some people, though some people are upset with the loss of ExpressCard. I also mention the battery above.
It looks like you've got all the changes down. The only one I didn't see is that the new one supposedly supports up to 8GB of Memory, while the older model can only address 6GB. Not sure if this will change with a future update or Snow Leopard, but something to keep in mind.
I feel for your needs, having the discrete graphics is a must. I haven't seen any benchmarks comparing CS4 with the larger allocated memory, but there is a slight improvement while gaming.
Sorry if my thought process is all over the place, I was just typing as ideas came to me. Good luck with your purchase.

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  • Downgrade form 10.7 to 10.6 (Mid 2009 MBP)

    Ok, I wan't to be very clear about this before I make any decisions because I am a video editor, have lots of footage, deadlines etc.
    I upgraded to 10.7 on my mid 2009 mac book pro a couple months ago, ever since then, it has been extremely slugglish (final cut pro runs at 150 percent cpu, as do other processes like kernal task, safari plug in, any game, etc.)
    I've done a few back ups while on Lion unfortunately, so does this mean that I can't erase my drive and reboot with snow leopord with lion back ups?
    If so, how can I go back, look at previous back ups, and tell if one is snow leopord or not?
    I have an external 2 TB drive that i can just drag all my user files to, and as for applications I guess I could just re install.
    But files like .fcp (final cut pro project files) that I worked with on lion, will those work once I downgrade to snow leopord?
    I've taken the computer to apple, they said nothing is wrong with it at all and it must be the operating system , i'e heard countless similar stories of mid 2009 mbps not being able to handle Lion.
    I have a 3.3 GHz processor, and 8 gigs of ram, there is no reason that my computer should be freaking out like this and going slow, its put my work at a stand still, please help!

    If the backups you did are bootable clones, any one can be used to restore the old system back into the internal drive. Else you will have to dig out the SL install DVD and start with a fresh install of both the system as well as all the applications.
    You can tell if a bootable system is found in a drive by plugging it in, turning it on and opening System Preferences / Startup Disk. If the drive pops up in the list, it has a system and it will tell you what it is.

  • Replacement options for keys on mid-2009 MBP

    i have a mid-2009 MBP that i am extremely unhappy with and which i /was/ going to just give to my mom but it acts so oddly that i am afraid she will get too confused and won't be able to use it.
    /anyway/ i had this thing in to the genius bar and asked them to replace all the keys as there are a lot of these that are very wobbly and make typing sort of a challenge. the technician asked me to tell him which /specific/ keys were a problem - i didn't sit down to test this - and then proceeded to give me some kind of song and dance explaining the technical reasons why the keys would fail and he assured me that as long as there was not some failure with the mechanism under the keys that they would replace the keys for the life of the machine at no charge.
    two questions:
    1. i have written down the 23 keys that feel like they are hard to work with and i am wondering if it is unreasonable to expect them to just replace all of them now so i (or the person i give the machien to) won't have to deal with this periodically.
    2. is it in fact the case that i should expect to get other keys fixed for free when they go bad?
    3. is there some reason why the technician at the genius bar may not have wanted me to do another repair on this machine within the warranty period since i have had it in complaining about various issues very often and they finally found a battery and a logic board problem about three months before my warranty expiration? i mean, i have not trusted the advice i get which is a complete 180 degrees from when i was first on mac before i had to move to PC and i am wondering if there may be a reason why they did not want to simply go ahead and do the key replacement for me under warranty. it seems really sort of mean and cheap to turn me away on this at the 11th hour with some kind of verbal assurance when i've never been happy with the machine or the explanations on the problems with the machine anyway.
    is there some kind of magic words to get them to just replace all the keys so i won't have this as an ADDED problem to my battery life, beachball hangs, sleep battery drain, etc, etc, etc?
    THANKS

    What Bob is saying is that according to the table there are different versions of Bootcamp which can be run on each Mac which load the various drivers for the specific versions on Windows.
    Windows 8 is designed to run 64bit but it will run 32bit as well it just means you dont get all the benefits and can loose Disc & Ram, but the host mac needs a 64bit compatible processor and it needs to meet the spec for the version of Windows being run and you need the various drivers.
    Often this level of support and development wont be provided on older machines as they knnow it will run into problems at some point.
    That doesnt mean you cant or shouldnt go for it, as long as you accept it may not be a stright forward install
    This thread should provide all the info you need as the user has done what you are looking to do:
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4897066?tstart=0

  • Temporary video stutter in games, mid 2009 MBP

    Hi all,
    I've been having a chronic issue with my mid-2009 MBP with 256MB NVIDIA 9400M, only noticeable when playing games.  Starting a few minutes after I start playing a game, the video will stutter in regular, discrete chunks. It will run fine for about a second, then lag horribly for a second, and alternate between these two.  This is especially noticeable with graphics-intense games such as Starcraft 2, but happens even for certain less demanding games too.
    The funny thing is that the issue goes away after 15-20 minutes of play or so.  After that, no matter how long I play for (for periods up to several hours), the issue does not return.  This makes me think it must be some sort of software or driver issue, and thus hopefully fixable.  On the other hand, it happens both in OSX and Win 7 under Bootcamp.
    One thing is that I have upgraded the RAM and installed a new hard drive; maybe these are causing problems?  I don't remember if this issue predates the new hardware.
    Anyone have any thoughts?  I've poked around a bit and haven't seen anyone report this exact same issue.
    My specs are:
    MacBook Pro
    13-inch, Mid 2009
    Processor  2.26 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
    Memory  8 GB 1067 MHz DDR3
    Graphics  NVIDIA GeForce 9400M 256 MB
    EDIT: found this post with what seems to be the same issue: https://discussions.apple.com/message/15530456#15530456

    Perhaps you could try this to resolve your issue: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3964
    If the issue still persists, I would contact AppleCare, or may an appointment at the Genius Bar. There may be diagnostics they can run to determine if you have a failing logic board or GPU.

  • CHKDSK fails on fresh install of Windows 7 x64 on mid-2009 MBP with SSD

    There was an earlier post about this that has been archived prematurely that I will reproduce below. The main issue is a flaw in the Windows 7 x64 CHKDSK of the SSD drive in the mid-2009 MBP= 5,2. With fresh OSX installs, bootcamp 3.1, Windows 7 x64 all updates, the CHKDSK operation checks files at about 1 per second in stage 4 of 5, verifying file data.
    Moderators: please leave this open until it is actually resolved.
    Earlier posts:
    Panajev
    Posts: 4
    From: ITALY
    Registered: Oct 14, 2009
    Windows 7 x64, MacBook Pro, frequent CHKDSK after HDD firmware update
    Posted: Nov 2, 2009 6:45 AM
    Hello, I have been having filesystem problems on my Windows 7 partition since the HDD related firmware update (the latest Performance update) was released and installed onto this mid 2009 MacBook Pro.
    The HDD is a 500 GB 7200 RPM model, but it never gave me any troubles under OS X before the "fix" and I know other users had intermittent problems with the HDD on their MacBook Pro's related to the HDD making noises and pausing.
    The fix was released, I installed it and I started seeing my first problem in Windows 7 x64 a few days after... I cleanly shut the OS down, but when I booted it back it asked me to perform a coherency check to the Filesystem... I thought that the problem was related to the fact that I was using the RC1 build of Windows 7... although that problem never manifested itself in the weeks before the Performance Update (HDD firmware fix) was installed and Windows 7 x64 RC1 had been on there and used frequently.
    I recently purchased Windows 7 retail a few days ago and after a bit of trouble-free operation I started having problems again... always shutting the PC down carefully and I was asked to run the CHKDSK utility at boot twice already.
    What to do?
    Message was edited by: Panajev
    MacBook Pro (2009) Mac OS X (10.6.1) Windows 7 x64, Bootcamp 3.0, recent HDD update
    nicegom
    Posts: 6
    Registered: Nov 12, 2009
    Re: Windows 7 x64, MacBook Pro, frequent CHKDSK after HDD firmware update
    Posted: Nov 12, 2009 1:40 AM in response to: Panajev
    Hi there,
    I have a different experience. I installed Windows 7 before the "performance update 1.0" came out. I actually experienced the chkdsk launch problem with Windows 7. I had done repartitioning and clean-install several times but cannot solve the problem. So I tried to install XP and Vista on my MBA (Mid 2009 with SSD) and found that these two OS doesn't introduce such problem.
    To be honest, I'm not sure which caused such problem, Windows 7, a bootcamp driver, or EFI. But I'm sure that CHKDSK in Windows 7 has an obvious bug that needs to be patched (memory leak and maybe this problem as well). So now I'm using Windows Vista SP2. And I'm happy with Vista SP2 (seems to become faster and stable now).
    Cheer,
    Message was edited by: nicegom
    Macbook Air Windows Vista MBA of Mid 2009 with SSD

    Windows 7 x64 all updates
    Just doublechecking. Does that include the recent chkdsk hotfixes?
    [The Chkdsk.exe program does not start correctly on a Windows 7-based computer|http://support.microsoft.com/kb/975778]

  • WhatSize this: mid-2009 MBP w/LION has full HD

    i am starting to use Mac OS with enough fluency to try to solve some long ongoing issues with my Mid-2009 MBP. right now the issue is that i have a 250 GB HD and i cannot store /any/ documents on this computer because the hard drive is filled up with all manner of items. i am posting the Mac HD info, WhatSize analysis and OmniDiskSweeper analysis. can anyone help me figure out what i can do? i have ALREADY deleted a 50 GB Parallels VM file so i am no longer running parallels. from what i can see:
    1. Application Support contains a 52.9 GB (!!) file that contains iPhone backups (?) with two iPhone backups of 20+ GB each??!! and apparently there is nothing that can be done to prevent this from happening even now that i have upgraded to yosemite or can i control this in some way?
    2. Mac HD reports 143 GB of "other" which to me seems like an extremely useless piece of data. can i drill down with this tool or another native mac tool so i can troubleshoot this a little more?
    3. my thunderbird mail app contains 22.5 GB and my mac mail app  contains 17 GB. i use IMAP and try to store ARCHIVED information on my Mac Pro in the On My Mac Section. is there a better way to manage this?
    THANKS for any help.
    it would be great to be able to manage this a little better so i can actually have data on my HD.

    For information to anyone who views this posting.  I have now reverted my MBP back to the original Ram setting of 4GB with the RAM that was installed when I purchased the MBP.
    The freezing/locking issue has since stopped (touch wood) and all seems well so far.

  • Upgrade or replace mid-2009 MBP for 4 year doc program

    My question:
    I'm new to this forum - thanks in advance for your help!
    I love my 5 year old MBP, and I loved the one I had for 5 years before it. I assumed I would buy a new one for this doctoral program that starts in 10 days, which I expect will take 3-4 years to complete. I am flummoxed by what Apple has done with the MBP line (SSD drives with tiny storage capabilities, retina displays I worry will prompt massive storage needs as apps upgrade to take advantage of them, and most offensively the soldering of HD and RAM to the motherboard), and really questioning whether any of the machines they are now selling will be useful to me during my 4 years at school. I am leaning toward buying the maxed out version of the last non-retina model while I still can.
    Should I upgrade my existing machine (hard drive, OS, what else?) or buy that last MBP model that isn't soldered shut before they discontinue it (and maybe upgrade it anyways)? Will the new machine be significantly better, or even more upgradeable, than my current one?
    Concerns that make me hesitate to buy a new machine:
    Hard drive size and upgradability: This is by far the biggest issue. My current machine's hard drive is overloaded and I think that's the biggest problem for performance right now. I refuse to pay through the nose for a way-too-small (smaller?!), non-upgradable, hard drive, no matter how fast it loads entertainment apps. This is my only computer and I will not carry around a separate storage drive. The retina machines are not an option for me for this reason (I'm also anxious about the upcoming storage demands for apps with retina capabilities). I made peace with the idea of having a separate external optical disc drive, but that's pretty awkward when I want to watch a movie in bed or on a plane!
    What has the MBP lost since 2009?: I think I read something about the current MBP model not having speakers - I love my speakers! They aren't necessary to do my schoolwork, but I love them just the same. What else has disappeared on the MBP since 2009? I'm paranoid that I may have missed other changes since it's been so long since I paid attention to the product line.
    Value for the money: If I'm going to spend $1,300+ on a machine I expect significantly better performance. I can't tell if the newer machine with it's faster (though not as fast as the retina machines) processor will be much faster, or much better in general. Buying it basically saves me the trouble of figuring out all of the details for how to upgrade my current machine, which is worth a lot to me. But will the new machine really be better? How so? By how much? Will I be able to upgrade it in the future beyond what Apple offers now (1TB hard drive/512 GB SSD), OSx Mavericks, 8GB RAM, Intel Core i7)? If it is really going to be better or offer more longevity, I'll snatch one up in a heartbeat, because I expect it will be a couple years before those SSDs are big enough to satisfy me. And I'll let Apple max it out for me for $300 because it will save me the trouble of doing so while I'm preparing for school.
    Retina second thoughts: Am I crazy for not wanting the retina machine? Maybe I should wait for the SSD to come down in price so one of those machines are more practical (though still not upgradable?!). Or even get one with 512 GB SSD and plan to upgrade in 2 years?
    Refurbished option: Should I look for a refurbished non-retina 15" MBP? I like the 13" screen, but think there were bigger upgrade options on the last 15" one.
    About my current machine:
    I bought my baby new in 2009 for my master's program and he has been incredibly good to me. My only regret now is that I didn't upgrade to the fastest processor at that time - if I had I wouldn't be posting this because I'd just be upgrading. He started slowing down around 2011 so I upgraded the RAM, OS, and I think even the Hard Drive (80 to 160GB?), and at that time I got a new battery and power cord due to a recall. 10 months ago I took him in because he had become painfully slow and the Genius re-installed my OS, but I have noticed a bit of that slow-down returning lately. Google Chrome, Google Apps, MS Office, and iTunes are by far my most used apps, but I do like to open a million tabs in Chrome at once while doing research. I value his speakers because I love music but I do have speakers at home so maybe speakers aren't necessary? He has been tossed around quite a bit - I bought him a neoprene sleeve back in the day but never actually used it and he's definitely taken some nasty spills without any protection.
    Complaints about my current machine:
    Hard drive storage: My biggest issue is that I had a huge surge in data storage (video and photo for a special project) over the past year and didn't take the time to upgrade his hard drive to make space, so now I have a mess of data in a borrowed iPad and multiple external drives. I want to dump all of that onto the same machine, and it easily fits onto a 1TB external drive, but I do not want to keep it there indefinitely. I like having all of my storage on one machine and I am not ready to buy into the cloud beyond Google Apps. Can I upgrade my hard drive to 1TB or even 500MB? How much does that cost, and what else in my machine will be affected by this change? Should I be looking at SSDs? What are the implications for going that route? Where would it go physically and what would I be giving up?
    Speed: He is a little bit laggy sometimes, especially when I open a million tabs on Chrome when I'm researching. I don't switch back and forth between a ton of different programs so startup speed doesn't bother me a ton, but he is a little slow there too.
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