Lens Profile: designating a default.

For my 6D I took the 70-300 VC Tamron as my longer reach walkabout lens. Lightroom has a humongous number of Tamron lens profiles, several of them for every each lens, with some cryptic acronyms. Is there any place where one could find out what they mean?
Furthermore, its always a bit of a hassle to select the proper profile for the 70-300 VC lens. Lightroom always points to the much older non-VC lens. It might be a problem of the EOS-6D and/or Tamron EXIF data itself, that the brand of the lens is not recognized by Lightroom. One has to to select Tamron as the brand manually for every image.
Lightroom points than to "70-300 f/4-5.6 Di A 17E" but there exist also a profile 17N, 17P and 17F. Furthermore, below I see tro profiles for the VC version, and one more for a non-VC 70-300.
SP 70-300 F/4-5.6 Di USD A005S
SP 70-300 F/4-5.6 Di VC USD A005E
SP 70-300 F/4-5.6 Di VC USD A005N
Maybe the missing VC is a typo only. I take the A005E on a hunch, and I do not see any difference to the A005N. Maybe "E" is for Canon FE mount, and N is for Nikon's F mount?
This lens make and model issue seem to be more complicated: I used to own a 17-35 F/2.8-4 for my Nikons. The D300, and a few years later the D7000 have both recorded lens data in such a way, that Lightroom always assumed that the lens is made by Nikon: The default profile was (Make: Nikon, Model: 17-35 F/2.8-4, Profile: D700 17-35- F/2.8-4). Of course no such lens exist from Nikon, the profile was probably donwloaded by me using the Lens Profile Downloader. Maybe its author was confused about the "make of lens" versus "make of mount". The profile name might be just a string, thus Lightroom does not know that its not a proper profile. But the real mystery starts when I change the 'Make' from Nikon to Tamron: Lightroom selects than the following Adobe made profile(??):
18-200 F/3.5-6.3 DiII A14N
(Of course a battery of profiles for 18-200 exist as well.) Wow, how comes? I noted this with LR3 and LR4 already, no improvement in LR5. A profile for a Tamron 17-35 exist though in the profile list, albeit I think I also downloaded it using the Adobe profile downloader tool:
SP AF Aspherical Di LD [IF] 17-35mm f/2.8-4 o77
That's a long one :-).
I am not sure if all the issues can be resolved, considering the mix of Adobe provided, and user made lens profiles, albeit chosing a 18-200 lens for a 17-35 sure appears like a bug to me.
Can we actually select a default profile to a lens / mount pair, matching the lens in use?
Maybe the trick would be to find the profile files and to remove the profiles of lenses which we do not have?
Thomas.

There are a plethora of Tamron Lens Profiles, because Adobe provide them for Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Sony. The profiles are quite easy to find and remove, but each time you update/upgrade they will return.
I seem to recall that there have been problems with 3rd party lenses not identifying themselves properly before. I can't remember why, but I'm sure if somebody knows they will post.

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Another Lens Profile Enable question

I know this question has been asked repeatedly and I believe have read all the answers to date but is it possible to keep the check box checked for each new picture being developed in Lightroom 3.4. The default profile works fine but the box has to be checked for each new photo and this is disruptive of a smooth workflow. If it is not possible please let me know. thanks jc

Thanks Beat, I was unaware of the performance impact Lens Profile corrections have on the Spot Removal tools.
If you don't normally use the Spot Removal tool on your images (I don't), then you are better off enabling Lens Profile in the default Develop settings. For those few images that need Spot Removal work simply uncheck 'Enable Profile Corrections.' Don't forget to re-enable lens profiles when done to see your final results.
I also suggest determining your own lens profile default settings. I use Distortion '0', Vignetting 50-75, and C. abberation 100. REASON: Distortion setting will cause some cropping of the image when applying correction and in most images distortion is not visible. I suggest manually selecting Distortion correction only for those images that exhibit obvious straight line curvature. I actually find most pictures shot with my highest distortion lens look better with '0' Distortion correction. The Vignetting setting at 100% can look unnatural and may cause areas toward the corners of your image to lose some sharpness, especially with very wide angle lenses. I set my default for 50% Vignetting and rarely see a need for more. The C. aberration control does an excellent job of correction and has no other issues, so I leave it at 100%.
I suggest you try it for yourself with each individual lens and make your own judgment – Your mileage may vary dependent on lens performance and subjects. Certainly feel free to set your default lens profiles settings differently for each lens where you feel it looks best.....and that may be 100 for all of them. You can always "fine-tune" the adjustments for images that require it.
To change the lens profile default settings, adjust all sliders to the new settings, click the down-arrow next to 'Setup' under 'Lens Corrections,' and select 'Save New Lens Profile Defaults.' You can also choose 'Reset Lens Profile Settings' to return to 100, 100, 100 default.

Wrong lens profile assigned by LR5

When I enable lens profile correction, choose default, auto or custom, LR5 will assign Tamron 28 75. However, the correct lens is the Tamron 24 70 (nikon). I checked my Lightroom 5 lens profiles list and the Tamron 24 70 is listed. How do I get LR5 to recognise the correct lens?

It may be that the same lens-id is recorded in exif for both of those Tamron lenses so LR cannot tell which one is actually on the camera.
To fix this, after you’ve set the right lens by hand, click where it says Setup: Custom and choose Set New Lens Profile Defaults.
This will save your changes so when LR sees that lens-id it’ll use what you’ve set even if it would automatically have chosen some other lens.
For this to work with new images you should set the Setup to Default rather than Auto as your LR Defaults. The difference is Default uses any custom settings and Auto ignores them.
If you make a mistake then you can choose Reset Lens Profile Defaults to make it forget the new default for that lens.

How do you get custom Default Settings to enable lens profile corrections automatically on import?

I have created default settings by serial number for my Canon Mark III 1ds which include enabled lens profile corrections. I then created a user preset with these default corrections. Next I imported a folder of RAW images shot with this same Canon camera with the user profile checked as part of the import. When I switch to the Develop module and check the Lens Corrections panel, I see that although it is checked for each file, the actual make, model and profile are not populated.
Is this a bug or am I overlooking something on import? I understand that in LR 4, you can apply specific lens and camera calibration profiles to camera serial numbers (noise reduction etc too).
MacPro 2.8 Ghz Quad-Core Intel Xeon with 16 gigs of ram running OSX 10.7.2.

You can make your defaults specif to ISO and/or Camera Serial or not (see Preferences), but what you choose is valid for all default parameters. You cannot say "use my NR ISO-specific, but the rest of the parameters regardless of ISO".
Beat

Lens profile default

I cannot get lightroom to remember my lens profile default.
.I have created a custom develop profile with sharpening, clarity and vividness and so on selected and in the lense profiles. I made made sure I had selected Auto or Custom and the correct lens..then i updated my develop profile making sure I checked Lens Corrections and yet the profile does not remember the lens although it remembers everything else
..I also try setting the default with Alt/ Set default under lens ;profile corrections again trying both auto and custom and still I cannot get lightroom to consistantly apply the profile ,..,and I have just bought a second lens and so the problem is about to get worse and to make a bid situation worse I cant find either one of my lenses listed,,16-85 and 55-200 Nikors
I just want to have lightroom apply the appropriate profile to each file as a default..that is all I want but I just cannot get it done..
and i cant change the color proile either even with the Alt/Set default button but at this point that is a secondary issue..
I have windows 8 and lightroom 5
Thanks

The selection of lens profile against whatever image you use as template for your Develop preset, needs to show "Default" - not "Auto", or "Custom".
Then when the preset is applied to other images, LR knows to use whatever profile is currently assigned against their lens data, for that image type (raw / non-raw).
E.g. setting up a new profile assignment or installing a new profile will straight away, retrospectively activate that chosen profile against relevant images provided they already have "Default" selection in place. Or else setting them to Default, will achieve the same thing straight away.
"Custom" seeks to apply a particular, specific profile regardless - and sometimes a profile cannot be (mis)applied, e.g. if there is an image format mismatch.
"Auto" seems to disregard user-selected profile assignments ("set as default"), employing only built-in lens profile detection.

Ability to Attach Preset to Lens Profile Default

Requesting the feature to allow the attachment (association) of a user defined develop preset to be saved with a Lens Profile Default. This would allow for the various settings within a develop preset and in particular of personal interest to me; a DNG Camera Profile created specifically for a particular lens/camera.

The selection of lens profile against whatever image you use as template for your Develop preset, needs to show "Default" - not "Auto", or "Custom".
Then when the preset is applied to other images, LR knows to use whatever profile is currently assigned against their lens data, for that image type (raw / non-raw).
E.g. setting up a new profile assignment or installing a new profile will straight away, retrospectively activate that chosen profile against relevant images provided they already have "Default" selection in place. Or else setting them to Default, will achieve the same thing straight away.
"Custom" seeks to apply a particular, specific profile regardless - and sometimes a profile cannot be (mis)applied, e.g. if there is an image format mismatch.
"Auto" seems to disregard user-selected profile assignments ("set as default"), employing only built-in lens profile detection.

Lens Profiles not registering in Lightroom 4

I have a number of lens profiles that I have created with Adobe Lens Profile Creator and placed in the designated folder, but when I run Lightroom, they do not appear in the list.
There is an "index.dat" file under folder 1.0 that I suspect needs to be updated, but I don't know how.
I also added a Minolta folder since there was noe befor to place my Minolta lens profiles. This does not show either when I run Lightroom.

Rikk is correct. User created lens profiles should be put under the user specific lens profiles folders.
On Mac, put them under (note there is no space in the "CameraRaw" sub-folder) or any of its sub directories:
Hard Drive>Users>your user name>Library>Application Support>Adobe>CameraRaw>Lens Profiles>1.0
On Windows,
C:\Users\your user name\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\CameraRaw\LensProfiles\1.0
I thought ALPC will default to save to these user speficic locations.

Does the Lens Profile Creator work with Photoshop Elements 8.0..?

Hello,
I am very new to the world of Photoshop, so please forgive if this is an obvious/stupid question...
I am using Photoshop Elements 8.0 and I have a couple of pictures that I need to remove the 'fish eye' lens distortion from around the edges...
The blurb for the Lens Profile Creator says that it is for use in the "Adobe Photoshop® family of products"...
Does this include Photoshop Elements 8.0 or do they really mean it is just for Photoshop CS5, Camera Raw and Photoshop Lightroom...
Any help will be appreciated...
Many Thanks
mc1903uk

PSE does not have the user-interface to turn on lens-corrections, nor does the ACR 6.1 update for PSE contain the lens-profile database installer, so if PSE is the only member of the PS-family that you have installed then effectively you cannot apply lens profiles.
If a computer has the lens-profile database installed and lens-distortion-correction has been enabled in the XMP sidecar for a particular image, both requiring PS-CS5's ACR 6.1-updater or LR3 to be installed and one of those used to enable lens-corrections for the image, then PSE can use ACR 6.1 to apply a lens profile, because the version of the ACR 6.1 plug-in for PS and PSE is the same plug-in.
BTW, removing fish-eye distortion completely, which is what enabling lens-corrections does by default, will leave a rather poor looking image that has been completely rectilinearized but has severe stretching of the pixels at the edges, so only the center is useable. With my 8mm Sigma fisheye, I reduce the Distortion part of the correction down to 44 so the black corners are gone, but there is still some bulging of the image.
If you want to experiment with lens-corrections, you could install the 30-day trial of LR3.

Removing Photoshop Elements 9 caused missing lens profiles in Lightroom 3.3

After my trial on Photoshop Elements 9 expired I removed it from my Windows Vista system. The next time I started Lightroom 3.3 I tried to apply a Canon lens profile to some new images and the profile was missing, not only was it not on the list, none of the 862 images taken with this lens had the profile applyed to them anymore. I tried to repair the installation and it failed saying I was missing components. I then tried to upgrade to RC 3.4 & it failed with the same message. I finally thought it might have been caused by the removal of Photoshop Elements so I went to the restore point that it did prior to removal. Now I have the lens profile back that was missing the Canon EF28-135mm profile as well as to the other 862 images. My question is should there be anything else I should look for to see if it is missing or damaged? Thanks - Larry

Larry,
The common part between LR and PSE is the Camera Raw part (ACR). It's settings are contained in 2 different locations:
1) General ACR configuration files:
C:\ProgramData\Adobe\CameraRaw
This directory contains lens and camera profiles installed with LR
2) User related configuration files:
C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\CameraRaw
This directory usually contains:
Downloaded/created lens profiles
ACR defaults (like ACR cache size, any defaults set in LR)
Downloaded/created camera profiles
You might want to check the content of those 2 locations. One other alternative would be to uninstall and re-install LR, which should take care of the factory supplied profiles.
Beat Gossweiler
Switzerland

Light room lens profiles

Does anyone know how to make this work reliably? All my lenses provide exit data, yet if I have the lens profile set to auto it often will not assign the right lens. Worse if I choose a devoloo preset that specifies a lens, then set it to auto and then eg change the vignette or distortion value it will drop back to the previous lens. The only sure fire way I've found to get it to work - or to make sure the right profile is there is to switch to another manufacturer and then back to the.correct manufacturer. If it picks a lens I don't have as the profile then I've bussed wrong and have to pick another manufacturer. This is obviously Bonkers.
PS the new forums are virtually unusable on mobile. For design software manufacturers this is not great

Do your lenses have Adobe-supplied profiles that are listed on Adobe’s lens-profile page or are they ones you’ve created or downloaded because Adobe doesn’t supply these lens profiles?
http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/multi/lens-profile-support-lightroom-4.html

Lens Profiles in Lightroom 3

I've created a lens profile for the Olympus E-P2 M.9-18mm F4.0-5.6 lens using the Adobe Lens Profile Creator. I used RAW files converted to DNG. However, I cannot figure out where to put the profile so that Lightroom recognizes it. Initially, I saved the profile to the default location chosen by the Profile Creator, but this didn't work, though Photoshop finds it with no difficulty. Can anyone help?

I'm using Windows 7 64x so I can't comment on a Mac but suspect the same applies. Two downloaded profiles were stored in a default user location - the same place that Lens Profile Creator would file it but the default location for Lightroom profiles was the shared profiles location. I simply copied the only two profiles across from user location to the shared location After a relaunch Lightroom placed them at the bottom of my list.
See http://www.computer-darkroom.com/blog/lens-correction-profiles/
Quoted below
User profiles location:
Mac OSX: /Users/(User Name)/Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/LensProfiles/1.0
Windows 7 or Vista: C:\User\(User Name)\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\CameraRaw\LensProfiles\1.0
Windows XP: C:\Documents and Settings\(User Name)\Application Data\Adobe\CameraRaw\LensProfiles\1.0
orShared profiles location:
Mac OSX: /Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/LensProfiles/1.0
Windows 7 or Vista: C:\ProgramData\Adobe\CameraRaw\LensProfiles\1.0
Windows XP: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Adobe\CameraRaw\LensProfiles\1.0

Installing a lens profile for a Samyang 14mm

Installing a lens profile for a Samyang 14mm f2.8 ED AS IF UMC on a Canon EOS 5D Mark II
I downloaded http://www.photo-worx.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49
I edited the .lcp file and set
<stCamera:CameraRawProfile>True</stCamera:CameraRawProfile>
so it should work for my raw .DNG file
I created a folder for it, and put the Samyang14mm.lcp file in
F:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 5.4\Resources\LensProfiles\1.0\Samyang
and restarted LightRoom5.4
But under Lens Corrections, when I tick Enable Profile Corrections there is no Make Samyang appearing, and I cannot find the profile.
What am I doing wrong?
Does anyone have a RAW profile for the Samyang 14mm f2.8 ED AS IF UMC that works?

Referencing: Victoria Bampton (Lightroom Queen)
Your Develop Defaults, Lens Defaults and Custom Point Curves are stored at...
Windows—C: \ Users \ [your username] \ AppData \ Roaming \ Adobe \ CameraRaw \
Mac—Macintosh HD / Users / [your username] / Library / Application Support / Adobe / CameraRaw /
I am guessing if you move them to the correct location they will show up.

Adding a Lens Profile to lightroom from Adobe lens profile creator

Hi, I just made a lens profile from the lens profile creator for my Canon 80-200 2.8L. I then added the profile to the 1.0 folder that holds all the other lens profiles. However, lightroom does not list to profile as an option in the lens profiles. Is there something else that I need to do?

While the more recent PDF link still works, the “Lightroom Queen” has done some recent website maintenance and the URL for default locations of files is different:
http://www.lightroomqueen.com/articles-page/lightroom-5-default-locations/
Obviously the link I provided had my username “Steve” in it and you’d be substituting your username, instead. Also the AppData folder is hidden so you have to either enable viewing hidden folders in Explorer or just type it into the Explorer address bar and hit Enter.
The other issue you might have, which was already talked about in the preceding discussion, is that camera profiles are specific to raw or non-raw formats and if what is in your DNG is a JPG then perhaps it wouldn’t work.
Would you mind providing the DNG and the associated camera profile via a website like dropbox.com and if you have it, the original file that was wrapped up as a DNG?

Should I bother with the Adobe Lens Profile Creator?

I am concentrating mostly on architectural photography these days and I need a pep talk about the "Adobe Lens Profile Creator". The process seems laborious and error prone - in other words it could end up being a waste of time and money (for the printing of the calibration charts). Has anyone used it to good effect? And with what lenses?
I do the bulk of my work with the 24mm PC-E Nikkor f/3.5 lens and I also use two older lenses - the 28mm PC Nikkor f/3.5 and (my favorite) the 15mm Nikkor f/3.5. All three lenses suffer from a small amount of barrel distortion and chromatic aberration so some correction is usually needed.
I have two specific reservations about the lens profiling process -
1. It came out with Photoshop CS5. Since then the manual controls have increased in sophistication. Can't I get pretty much the same result using the manual adjustments?
2. In my drop-down menu in Adobe Camera Raw CC there are eighty-one lenses listed - but not the three I am using! This is crazy and reflects badly on the people who designed the whole process. Who cares about perspective correction in a 600mm lens?
Anyway, I would appreciate a reply from anyone who has gone through the profiling process. Thanks.
Kevin from Cambridge, Massachusetts

German Jack ha scritto:
create an jpg/tif – profile
create a copy from the lcp
rename this copy with “ – RAW”
open this lcp with an editor
search any “False” and rename it to “True”
save it and you have a perfect raw - lensprofile
Ok, but what does it mean rename and correct the content of the lcp file?
It remains a profile created from jpg source, CameraRaw could consider it like a raw lens profile but it has no more value than a jpg profile, I believe...
Anyway, for whatelse it could be useful your suggestion to modify lcp file?
Thank you for your attention

Lens Profile Tool Addition – White Balance Offset Correction

I have noticed that my Canon 17-40mm and 70-200mm F4 IS lenses have virtually identical color temperature and can use the same white balance setting. My Sigma 50mm F2.8 Macro lens is another story, requiring almost 200K and +15 change to White Balance sliders. I am sure there are cases where Canon’s lenses will differ more widely and exhibit a similar degree of white balance differences, not to mention use of UV or 1B protection filters. An 85mm F1.2 lens using “rare earth” low dispersion glass, will have a warmer color temperature than a lens using more common glass elements.
I use the X-Rite ColorChecker Passport to create custom profiles for each of my camera bodies. I typically make separate correction presets for Daylight, Cloudy, and Tungsten (2700K). This requires changing the LR White Balance sliders to obtain “neutral gray in the ColorChecker image files shot in each of above described lighting conditions. It does not appear necessary to create a separate ColorChecker camera profile for each lens, just correction to the LR white balance slider settings.
I did some measurements of change in camera profile for Sunny Daylight (~5,500K), Cloudy (8,000K+), and Tungsten (~2,900K) lighting. There was no measurable change in rendering of the ColorChecker Passport images for the extreme Sunny to Cloudy conditions, and only very slight changewhen comparing the Tungsten profile. This was done by loading a ColorChecker Passport image file and applying alternate profiles:
EXAMPLE:
Open a DaylightColorChecker Passport image file in LR, apply Cloudy Camera Profile, and adjust White Balance for the gray scale patches using the Eyedropper Tool. Then look at the 'Before' and 'After' images....you will see NO visual change to any of the color patches. I saw only a very slight change when doing this with the Daylight to Tungsten (artificial light source) comparison.
The relatively small change in color balance between lenses (~500K max.) should have no measurable or visible affect to the ColorChecker Passport created "Camera Profile." The ColorChecker Passport or any other "Camera Profile" creation tool is first and foremost correcting for differences in the camera's image sensor color rendering.
SUGGESTION:
Since this white balance difference is a factor of the lens, it would be very convenient to add another tool in Lightroom's and Camera Raw Lens Profile panel for “White Balance Offset.” This allows setup of LR defaults for one specific lens type, such as your most used lens. Then you use the new ‘Lens Profile’ located ‘White Balance Offset’ correction tool to adjust white balance for all of your other lenses. In addition, Adobe or camera manufacturers could also provide the 'White Balance Offset Correction' as a function of the lens spectral response deviation from linear. This would provide a "uniform method" of calculating and adding the White Balance correction to the 'Lens Profile.' Since this is a factor of the lens only, the “lens offset correction” can be used with ANY lens/camera body pairing, The current LR and Camera Raw White Balance settings are then only used for “Global” correction of lighting conditions, and NOT for lens differences.
This is a linear mathematical function,which should be extremely easy for Adobe to add the ‘White Balance Offset’ correction feature to LR’s and Camera Raw's Lens Profile GUI. Just like many other tools in LR that some don't use, you can choose to use it or not!

Interesting suggestion. Thanks. -Simon

Lens Profile: designating a default.

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