Leopard and Tiger on Separate Drives: questions. Many externals. Graphics

Hi,
I have multiple Macs, most networked, and have installed Leopard on all but my "graphics" computer. I use this one for my photography, and am just gathering my nerve to move. I am wondering whether to wait, to install Leopard on a separate internal drive, or to upgrade.
My system: Mac Pro Quad (16 Gigs max, and I have 16 gigs). 4 internal 750Gig drives. Sonnet Tech. PCI-e port multiplier SATA card (4 external plugs: 2 connected to 5 drive bays). Epson 4800 printer using ColorByte Software ImagePrint 7. Other key apps, CS3, Lightroom, Aperture. Misc. usb and firewire drives and devices including WACOM. My photo libraries, are all on the external SATA drives, and backed up to other external SATA drives. I use Chronosync for the backup. We are talking almost a Terrabyte, so I wasn't planning to use Time Machine.
Advice? Should I install leopard on a separate internal drive, but leave Tiger? Can I use data files from other drives with either operating system without screwing up my files. Can I use application files located on the Tiger boot drive, from Leopard?
So, alternate boot drives?
Is anyone aware of Leopard issues with any aspect of my system, as described?
If I go with leopard, do I start from scratch and reinstall everything (which is a total pain considering the number of serial numbers, and upgrades, involved?
Anything I should have asked but didn't? Thanks for the help

Keep Tiger. Install Leopard on a separate volume, using the Erase & Install option, followed by migrating from the Tiger volume, because there have been problems, especially with ownership and permissions. See these for details:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5757385
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5666369
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5646414
That allows immediate recovery into a known, good state.

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I'm not sure I understand you question
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For additional information regarding moving the entire library from the 10.4 partition to the 10.5 partition, see this article:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1449
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Thanks for your feedback ...
Smokerz's comment was not clear to me. I thought he meant that having 2 «Applications» folders is «complicating» things. I am french canadian and sometimes english way of speaking is not fully understood. That is why I asked for a confirmation.
I thought that since all partitions would be available, that with 1 «Applications» folder, apps could be used in both world. If I have 2 versions of MS Word, witch one will open when double clicking on a Word document. I think that what we have to keep in mind is that apps have to be Tiger «and» Leopard compatible. Maybe I misunderstand, but that is what I see as the potential problem.
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7. See how they run. Boot off the old 100GB internal drive, boot off the new to-be-internal 750GB drive. Panic if it's not going well.
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Howdy slowpoke43, and a warm welcome to the forums!
Please help! I am just faking it here based on a few message boards I've read. Will this actually work properly?
LOL, if your faking it you're the best!
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2. Yes, the more he better... Free Space is no longer our Free Space, but OSX's.
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Thanks to Pondini, Formatting, Partitioning, Verifying, and Repairing Disks...
http://web.me.com/pondini/AppleTips/DU.html
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8. Not quite sure I understand, but run SL for a few days before you do anything.
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