Leopard and tiger

Hello,
I've just upgraded to Leopard and it is working great (I love the new features and my apps work faster it seems). However, our jobs database program at work is incompatible with it. Since I do a lot of remote admin work from home, this is a significant issue. Is there a way I can install Tiger (and use it as a 2nd OS option on my Quad) alongside Leopard without wiping out my drive? What would be the best method to go about this.
Thanks much for your knowledge.

No bootable backup of your previous Tiger installation? Bad juju, that. Now, the only way to revert is to install Tiger onto another disk/volume, reinstall all the Applications, and reset all your preferences. Step one before updating/upgrading is make a bootable backup/clone and test it. See
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106941
http://www.macmaps.com/upgradefaq.html
http://www.macmaps.com/backup.html
http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/installswupdates.html
http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/backuprecovery.html

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robkal wrote:
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