Leopard downgrade to Tiger issues

Hi guys
what a difference a day makes ..... I awoke this morning with a fully operating OSX 10.5.2 system when I found out yet another audio production application isn't supported with Leopard - I had to bite the bullet as music production is my living and I just could'nt survive any longer - I attempted a downgrade to Tiger with my original macbook pro discs
I started with an Archive and install which failed - giving me the message " OSX can;t be installed on this volume" - after reading up online I found out that a disc erase was necessary which meant i needed to back up everything - i could'nt do a propper block copy so had to just drag and drop everything - nearly a 100 gig worth of files - talk about time consuming.
I then repartitioned and erased the MBP hard drive and installed Tiger successfully. I then had the gruelling task of dragging all my files back into there designated folders etc with much hassle.
Anyway my problem now is that for one the Mac Mail application won't open at all - i understand I'm going to have to put all my settings back in but at the moment it simply starts to open when i click on the icon and closes straight away with the application has unexpectedly closed message - it does it every time . Any clues?
Troy

Hi there
yes it has definately been a headache downgrading but to be honest for me personally totally worth it.
I started by using my original instal CDs and the computer just stopped halfway through the installation telling me OSX cant be installed on this machine" and then that was that - no working operating system and a 100 gig of data I had to try and salvage - 18 hours later I'm almost back to where I started with Leopard running, backing up my data then doing a complete re-partition, erase and clean install.
I have spent 48 hours getting my system back up and running the way I need it to in Tiger- I downgraded because there was no other way of using my Pro Tools software and I need to finish some recording projects but as the previous post mentions I would only down grade as a last resort as it is very much not like upgrading - I had to completely back all my data and re install certain software, re enter serial codes and licences - add all my music and movies back into their designated folders - it was a crazy couple of days with some late nights - my wife already thinks I can't be without my mac and now shes convinced!!!
So if its something you're thinking about - I understand your pain and please be aware whatever you going to do - whats the golden rule? Back-up , Back-up , Back- up!!!!

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Hi, I want to downgrade from OSX LEOPARD to OSX TIGER but I have a few questions regarding this. My iMac is originally from Sep 2007 it came preloaded with tiger. I have original install (2) tiger discs version 10.4.10. I want to know if it is safe and what are the necessary steps to do so. Also by downgrading im wondering if a lot of apps nowadays support tiger for example I have photoshop version 5 and 4 these are very important to me. One last question does anyone know of any reliable virus protection for mac that doesnt slow down your computer? because I have read that a lot of them do so. If anyone can help me I would greatly appreciate it! Here are the specs for my iMac
Model Name:
iMac
Model Identifier:
iMac7,1
Processor Name:
Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed:
2 GHz
Number Of Processors:
1
Total Number Of Cores:
2
L2 Cache:
4 MB
Memory:
2 GB
Bus Speed:
800 MHz

Most of the time a perception of general slow performance is the result of installing third party junk alleged to speed up, "clean" or "optimize" your Mac, or to look for viruses that don't exist. Ideally you would know what you installed so you can uninstall it, but if you don't know or aren't sure there are techniques such as Safe Mode and creating a temporary user account to confirm that suspicion.
If you open Activity Monitor it may show a process, or processes, that occupy a lot of your system's time.
Slowness confined solely to web browser activity is often the result of an inexorable progress toward websites that demand ever more processor-intensive tasks. If your slow performance is strictly limited to web browsing, you might try disabling Flash by either uninstalling it, or use utilities such as ClickToFlash that allow you to control what Flash content gets loaded. Flash in itself is not inherently evil, but there is nothing to stop websites or the advertisers who pay for them from writing horrible Flash code that can do everything from hogging 100% of your CPU's time to causing random crashes. You can watch Activity Monitor as in the above to correlate these troublesome web pages with performance degradation.
You are correct; if your computer shipped with Tiger you may certainly revert to it. I forgot that Tiger was shipping on new Macs as recently as five years ago. To downgrade it would be necessary to completely erase your hard disk and boot with the Tiger installation DVD, followed by installing it anew. Such drastic measures are not necessary and you are unlikely to be satisfied with the results anyway.
Assuming your system is free of third party parasitic junk attached to OS X in an ill-conceived attempt to improve upon it, that your hard disk drive is sound and the boot volume has enough free space to work with, by far the best performance-enhancing improvement would be to add more memory. Buy as much as your computer can use and that you can afford. 2 GB is not that much any more.
Read the following for some recommended troubleshooting techniques from Apple:
General purpose Mac troubleshooting guide: Isolating issues in Mac OS X
Creating a temporary user to isolate user-specific problems: Isolating an issue by using another user account
Memory limitations: Using Activity Monitor to read System Memory and determine how much RAM is being used
Identifying resource hogs and other tips: Runaway applications can shorten battery runtime
Starting the computer in "safe mode": Mac OS X: What is Safe Boot, Safe Mode?

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" check your original install disks that came with the machine. Whatever they are is as far back as you can go. And like he said... there's nothing you can do that will change that. "
Not quite. You can go back to whatever system was ever offered or your machine, not your particular instance. e.g. Lepord comes out, now all macs shipping come preinstalled with 10.5 and have a 10.5 install disc. But the week before those same machines were running Tiger and came with Tiger install discs. So they'll work if yoiu can find a set. But, most folks thinking about this likely are doing so to having run Tiger on their mac so have their own.
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Dear members:
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SRXguy wrote:
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Mark:
Welcome to Apple Discussions.
You can try using Pacifist to extract Safari from your install disk and install it. You may then be able to upgrade it more easily, although I can't promise that for sure.
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