Leopard, even 10.5.1 is HORRIBLE

I've been running a 17" MacBook Pro with 1GB RAM and 2.67 Intel Core Duo since Sept 06 with no problems whatsoever - - - using TIGER. (100% Apple hardware)
I made the mistake of buying Leopard and installing it and then installing 10.5.1 without doing enough research first. My main interest was in using TimeMachine for backups and ironically that seems to be working fine.
The problems I have make the MBP just about unusable. I've managed to find work-arounds but I'm really, really, really, really unhappy with this OS - - - reminds me of Windows crap.
Two major problems I'd be happy to get help with.
MBP trackpad is unusable in Leopard. I've done the adjustments and default and everything else I can find but the problem still persists. The movement of the cursor is bizzare and erratic when using the trackpad - - - to the point that while composing a document in Word the cursor would just jump, highlight text, and delete it. Thinking it was Word - - - nahhhhh. I have other bizzare cursor behavior logging into accounts via Safari or Firefox web pages. I can place the cursor and enter username, tab and enter the first character of password and the cursor either freezes or lets me type characters and then backspaces by itself and freezes. Other less intrusive problems as well. The only workaround that makes this MBP useable is when I use a Bluetooth Mouse and select turn off trackpad when external mouse is present. (it works fine but now I have to lug around another piece of stuff).
The bigger problem is the MBP no longer works off of the battery and has to be run from wall power in order to be stable. At first I thought perhaps I was just running the battery down to low and Leopard wasn't giving me the 'low battery' warning. However I have since determined that it has nothing to do with battery level. The MBP simply shuts off (hard power-off) regardless of the power level (20% - 96%). Sometimes this happens after running on battery power for 60 minutes, sometimes it happens when running on battery power for 2 minutes. When the MBP crashes I have lost documents (but been able to recover them) and corrupted Mail (and had to rebuild).
After two weeks of putting up with this and lugging around a power supply and external mouse and hoping for a software update, I've had enough. I want to go back to Tiger and wait for a stable Leopard. How do I do this without having to reinstall all of my apps (MS Office, CS2, SPSS, et al) and exporting all my data to CD? Should I just trash my TimeMachine external drive (400GB) and use that as a backup and do a clean install of Tiger?
Thanks.

I've definitely read a lot about Leopard not working so well when doing an upgrade, but I've also read on the same accounts that doing a fresh install (format hard drive and install from scratch) fixes most of the issues.
I can say, however, this isn't true for everything. My MacBook Pro gets really weird mouse cursor behavior when it resumes from sleeping. However, rebooting the MacBook causes those problems to go away.
Note, that I did not upgrade to Leopard, I bought a brand new MacBook with Leopard pre-installed. I've also read many other cases of this bizarre cursor behavior upon resume with others that have Leopard running on their MBP, but on another account, a few friends of mine that have MBP's with Tiger don't have these issues at all (Surprise, surprise).

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Stuart Field wrote:
I've also had the crash where the screen becomes gray and I'm told to restart in many languages.
Those are "kernel panics," which are usually hardware-related.
Start with this: [Intel-based Macs: Using Apple Hardware Test|http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1509].
and the (free) Rember, a heavy-duty memory tester, from: http://www.kelleycomputing.net/
If nothing there helps, see this Apple article: [If “You need to restart your computer” appears|http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.6/en/8965.html].
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Aparently I was too hasty with my conclusion:
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4. insert the Snow Leopard DVD and reboot from it
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I'm a design professional who is pretty dumb when it comes to color management.
I have an EPSON R2400 at home and have never gotten it to print right. I had CS2
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After a week with Leopard.

The good news for me is that is mostly stable. The bad news is that it has some unreproducible quirks on my machine. To share two with you:
1. At one point, the keyboard worked for application, but not in the Finder. This meant that I couldn't perform a search or invoke Finder menus using the keyboard. Very strange. A restart solved the problem.
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Thu Nov 8 14:06:39 2007
panic(cpu 1 caller 0x00B435A3): "OSMalloc_Tagrele(): refcnt 0\n"@/SourceCache/xnu/xnu-1228/osfmk/kern/kalloc.c:613
Backtrace, Format - Frame : Return Address (4 potential args on stack)
0x421cfa38 : 0x12b0e1 (0x4555b4 0x421cfa6c 0x133238 0x0)
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0x421cfb08 : 0xb4349c (0x67c9670 0xffff 0x5e34204 0x0)
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0x421cfbb8 : 0x3e810c (0xd621180 0x0 0x1 0xd51f650)
0x421cfbd8 : 0x3e81d9 (0xd621180 0x0 0xd4ed604 0x3e8179)
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at.obdev.nke.LittleSnitch(2.0.21)@0xb3c000->0xb5cfff
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http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1545

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Cut out again with modem not found ~ only had to try three times
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