Leopard OS 10.5 - pre-loaded vs. Erase and Install

Just received a new iMac I ordered from from Apple Online yesterday. I was told it would come pre-loaded with the new Leopard OS but it didn't. The installed OS was 10.4.01. Apple has now agreed to either send me the Leopard OS or to take back the iMac and later on send me another one with Leopard pre-loaded. I'm wondering if this is really necessary as the Leopard OS Erase and Install option and/or a Secure Erase would appear to give me essentially the same result. Keep in mind my background is with Windows OS where I would always do a low level format of the hard drive and then do a clean install of a newer version of Windows OS. I would appreciate any suggestions about what I should do.

Malcom:
No, not initially. I saw the SCSI warning, but I must have missed that- I did the firware revision yesterday, after the fact- but I pulled the Jive drive box first and haven't had time to reassemble. I'll reinstall it tomorrow. Then I'll work on the SCSI card Adaptec 39160- (My Medea external Raid is a no show period.)
Thanks for being there!
Jim

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That iMac can upgrade to Mac OS X 10.9. It can't run OS 9. Those are two beasts that are 12 years apart!
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If you did an Erase and Install then nothing should be on the drive except what you installed. You might try this:
Repairing the Hard Drive and Permissions
Boot from your OS X Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. When the menu bar appears select Disk Utility from the Installer menu (Utilities menu for Tiger and Leopard.) After DU loads select your hard drive entry (mfgr.'s ID and drive size) from the the left side list. In the DU status area you will see an entry for the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive. If it does not say "Verified" then the hard drive is failing or failed. (SMART status is not reported on external Firewire or USB drives.) If the drive is "Verified" then select your OS X volume from the list on the left (sub-entry below the drive entry,) click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported click on the Repair Permissions button. Wait until the operation completes, then quit DU and return to the installer. Now shutdown the computer for a couple of minutes and then restart normally.
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Welcome to the Apple Discussions.
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No.
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Which exact iBook model is it?
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http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/ibook/index-ibook.html
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http://www.macmaps.com/upgradefaq.html

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Process: iTunes [275]
Path: /Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/MacOS/iTunes
Identifier: com.apple.iTunes
Version: ??? (???)
Build Info: iTunes-8202301~15
Code Type: PPC (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [67]
Date/Time: 2009-07-04 21:34:25.644 -0700
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.5.7 (9J61)
Report Version: 6
Anonymous UUID: 17FE9D2E-ED3C-44C8-BD16-23C937CA83AE
Exception Type: EXC_BREAKPOINT (SIGTRAP)
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000001, 0x000000008fe0105c
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Symbol not found: __ZN7WebCore11RenderLayer18gAlignCenterAlwaysE
Referenced from: /System/Library/Frameworks/WebKit.framework/Versions/A/WebKit
Expected in: /System/Library/Frameworks/WebKit.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/WebCore.frame work/Versions/A/WebCore
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Path: /Applications/Safari.app/Contents/MacOS/Safari
Identifier: com.apple.Safari
Version: ??? (???)
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Code Type: PPC (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [67]
Date/Time: 2009-07-04 21:14:45.039 -0700
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Report Version: 6
Anonymous UUID: 17FE9D2E-ED3C-44C8-BD16-23C937CA83AE
Exception Type: EXC_BREAKPOINT (SIGTRAP)
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000001, 0x000000008fe0105c
Crashed Thread: 0
Dyld Error Message:
Symbol not found: __ZN7WebCore11RenderLayer18gAlignCenterAlwaysE
Referenced from: /System/Library/Frameworks/WebKit.framework/Versions/A/WebKit
Expected in: /System/Library/Frameworks/WebKit.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/WebCore.frame work/Versions/A/WebCore
Process: Camino [361]
Path: /Volumes/Camino/Camino.app/Contents/MacOS/Camino
Identifier: org.mozilla.camino
Version: ??? (???)
Code Type: PPC (Native)
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Report Version: 6
Anonymous UUID: 17FE9D2E-ED3C-44C8-BD16-23C937CA83AE
Exception Type: EXC_BREAKPOINT (SIGTRAP)
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000001, 0x000000008fe0105c
Crashed Thread: 0
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Symbol not found: __ZN7WebCore11RenderLayer18gAlignCenterAlwaysE
Referenced from: /System/Library/Frameworks/WebKit.framework/Versions/A/WebKit
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Hi,
I'd like to do an erase and install after all these problems on my computer here:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2751511&tstart=0
I'd like to upgrade to Snow Leopard at the same time.
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I was also thinking of making another clone to this Strato 500GB online storage offer here:
http://www.strato-hosting.co.uk/online-storage-hidrive/index.html
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My iPhoto Library
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my Mail history
iCal
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my Skype history
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Many thanks.

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Well, miracles do happen...
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Looking good, it is, and I am impressed. No more fear of Erase and Install... I say, go for it, while having a full bootable external disk, just in case.
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I have three or four systems currently on it I think and want a complete tidy up. I have a box set ( currently installed on this mac) which includes snow leopard/ iWork and iLife. Can I just use this snow leopard system disk or do I have to first use the the mac disks (system 10.4.4) which came with this computer?
Advice please.

Have a read here Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard: How to Erase and Install
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Hi J,
I don't know if the upgrade would do a full install, I think it will not. Get a retail version. I did that and it got me very satisfied as in 40 days I reinstalled the system 8 or more times.
In my new experience I would tell you to do a full carbon copy of today's state in a bootable disk only for safety matters.
Then insert installation disk;
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Press OPTION key;
Press Power button;
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Apply a partition scheme if you don't have any data to use from this disk AND/OR;
Erase disk - a simple erase would be better here, no zero out or anything*;
I like to shutdown here, install asks for a startup disk and itself is the one;
Power button, language, install with or without customizing.
About Migration Assistant, I would only use it to transfer personal data without any applications. For applications I would reinstall all of them right after install all updates one by one chronologically if you have downloaded them or till software update tell you are up to date.
Only after these updates and any other applications updates is that I use to bring up my personal files using Time Machine.
About the * above: I also have noticed that two zero out erases got me a longer time setting up the system again, is that possible that a simple erase enable the system to recover data and recomposing system files?
Thank you and good luck.

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