Leopard Slower than Tiger?

I've noticed a definite difference in start-up time - Leopard 27-28 seconds, Tiger 16-17 seconds. Also general navigation and reaction times seem slower to me. Anyone else notice this? And is this to be expected?

Hi tksuther;
Journaling is a process of keeping track of data being written to a disk. It provides protection in case of sudden shutdown of the system so that the disk can be restored to a valid state.
When journaling was introduces to OS X, I did some very extensive testing in an effort to see if journaling was taking up noticeable amounts of resources on the system. After doing my testing I discovered that the difference between disk with journaling turn on or off was so small I could not realistically measure it. The difference was smaller then variability in the test on the disk. Hence I say that it not measurable and I alway leave it turned on.
Allan

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