Leopard, time machine, routers and external HD's...

apple folks,
i recently aquired the macbook pro 17" - my first mac. it is cable attached to my current OLD nonwireless linksys router and can share/read/write to my other 3 pc's...
i've got two new 500 gb external harddrives and have only formated one so far (i use it alternately on the PC and the laptop)... i formated the external drive in windows as FAT 32 so both XP and OS X could read and write to it... there is the size limitation issue and perhaps others i'm not yet aware of... rather poor coding of the apple OS X which creates little ds.store files et. al. all over the drive, seen only by the windows os. i had to purchase and install a third party program to eliminate all the apple 'litter' files.
anyway.
i'm relucant to format the newest drive until i understand what apple hardware and OS leopard (which i'll probably upgrade too when it becomes available) are capable of handling... so far i'm not too impressed.
i'd like to aquire a gigabite wireless router with a usb2 connection for HD's, printers etc. unforunately the apple airport extreme seems to be fraught with problems and no gigabite thruput for the cable connected pc's...
i'm stumped... i can't easily find a suitable router -
possible one of these -
D-Link Xtreme N Gigabit Router
or...Linksys WRT350N.
i'd like to share the HD's via the routers usb2 connectionality and not have to worry about file compatibility sharing/read/write problems(just data files on these drives)
the more i read these forums and others the more confused i become. it seems my only two choices are poor ones. either i format in apple HFS+ (which i understand puts the apple/system on the drive like microsoft used too when formated with/s) and makes it BLIND to microsoft...or format as FAT 32 which has it's own limitations...
is there a thread or faq which clearly explains this networking/hardware configurating method in laymans terms?
thanks for your patience and help.
oyd

oyd,
First, let's clear up any confusion about file systems...
An HFS+ volume in no way "contains" any OS X components, unless OS X is explicitly installed on it. When any volume is accessed by the Finder, however, those ".DS_Store" files will be left behind (regardless of the file system in question). These are intended to be hidden files(!), and they are important for certain Finder functions having to do with the way Finder windows are displayed. They are not absolutely necessary, though, and there are several ways to do away with them entirely. At least one method does not require third-party software.
It is better, in my opinion, to allow them to be hidden as intended. In Windows, uncheck the option to show hidden/system files, and they will disappear. The disk space required by these files is negligible, and they provide a great benefit. This is not "poor coding," but rather one of the things that makes OS X's Finder work as well as it does.
Also, Windows need not be "blind" to HFS+. MacDrive allows Windows to see, access, and format Mac volumes. In many cases, the ability to use HFS+ in a mixed-platform environment might be the ideal solution; certainly better than using FAT-32.
Airport Extreme is not "fraught with problems." While it is true that AE doesn't support gigabit ethernet, it is my experience that Airport and Airport Extreme are usually more flexibly configurable, with more features, than any other wireless devices I have seen. Obviously, the focus is on wireless connectivity. If you need gigabit speeds, a proper wired ethernet router might be a better choice. In this regard, any standard gigabit router should do; ethernet is ethernet.
You do want to avoid using any network "add-ons" that require Windows-only clients to work properly. As long as you choose hardware-based solutions that use standard networking and communication protocols, you should have no problems.
As far as Leopard is concerned, there is nothing that anyone here can say. We do not know what changes to file systems will occur with Leopard, and we cannot speculate. I can, however, mention that it is widely known that there is an interest in the ZFS file system. How this will affect Leopard, we cannot say or speculate on. Suffice it to say that you should have nothing to worry about.
Scott

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