Level inconsistencies between Logic, Soundtrack Pro, Waveburner

Why is it that when I bounce a track out of Logic with normalization, sometimes (but not always) when I pop it into Soundtrack Pro, it'll peak at -.1 or -.15? And then I'll normalize it and then give it a little +.07 AUPeakLimiter. Then when I pop that I'll into Waveburner, it occasionally won't bounce out of that because it says I have clipping even though I went through those previous steps.
Anybody else notice these inconsistencies?

I don't agree with "never normalize", especially when the normalization adds only 2 dB or less. Of course you can look at the level meter, see that the highest peak is -1,8 and just put the volume slider 1,8 dB higher; but that would yield the +exact same result+ as normalising. And if you have only two or three peaks that jump (way) out, I'ld recommend editing those manually, just reduce the gain on the cycle(s) that contains the peak(s) in the Wave Editor.
regards, Erik.

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Does the app store Logic Pro 9 have the extensive amount of official instruments to download for free?
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Segall wrote:
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