Library - Lightroom or Elements?

I just can't figure this out on my own and haven't been able to find an aswer. I have about 4000 images in the Elements organizer. Now that I have Lightroom, what should I be doing with the files that are already on my computer and in the Elements organizer (as far as Lightroom is concerned)? And more importantly, how should I handle future imports - through Lightroom or through Elements? Thanks.

The biggest single issue that comes up when importing these images is that LR doesn't "know" the Elements keyword hierarchy, and so you have to manually reorder your keywords in LR. I haven't, though, tried importing an Elements catalog into LR, just the images, so I don't know if importing a catalog would work better.
As far as when to use Elements, that's pretty much a matter of personal workflow. I haven't used Elements since I upgraded to PS CS2/CS3, but my workflow sometimes makes it convenient for me to switch to using Bridge/Camera RAW/PS. When I want to do this I tell LR to save the metadata file or files. IF you are using Elements 5, I believe Elements can read your LR edits.
For organizing, though, I'm working totally in LR. That way, I don't have to worry about things like key word compatibility or collections compatibility between the two programs.
Tony

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Lightroom or Elements for a simple purpose - RAW to black&white

Hi,
I have no experience whatsoever with digital photography, I've been working on analogue for several years now, but want to give it a try...
The thing is that I'm looking for a software, which will allow me:
- possibility to convert color RAW from camera into black&white RAW, then export as a JPEG (I'd like to have a chance to enhance the contrast etc. on the RAW in b&w before having a final file, and maybe add option of plugins as NIK Silver Efex in the future if I feel a need for it)
- add white frame around the JPEG, of which size I could choose, and maybe add my name/logo + date on the frame
I'm confused and don't know which software would allow me to do that two, simple things - Lightroom or Elements?
Thanks for your support!

Elements is more limited in how to adjust the colors to black-and-white.
Lightroom has more sophisticated adjustments. These adjustments are the same as in the Camera Raw plug-in for Photoshop, but absent in the Camera Raw plug-in for Elements. The adjustments allow you to enhance the contrast and brightness of the gray-level for narrow ranges of original colors instead of a simple removal of color with a default color-balance or clicking on a preset that Elements has.
Here is a very verbose video introduction to the LR B/W conversion on an example photo, viewed best in full-screen HD:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/bw_workflow_in_lightroom.shtml
Here is a step-by-step example with screenshots and description, from 2008, but the adjustments still mostly apply, except the vignetting you’d use wouldn’t be lens-related, it’d be the Post-Crop Vignetting in the Effects section that didn’t exist back in 2008:
http://layersmagazine.com/create-stunning-black-and-white-images-in-lightroom.html
These were just the first and third links that showed up after Googling for Lightroom Black and White.
BTW, I am a photo-hobbyist and use Lightroom every day, so it’s not just for professionals making money off their photos that need something fast. For me it is more about seriousness and perfection and freedom.

I got a new MacBook pro and want to install my lightroom and elements 11.

I uninstalled both programs on my old computer and this computer were set to factory setting and sold.
When I try to install on my new computer - after informing my serial numbers, I get the answer, that this number is not correct. II of course checked again, and the typed numbers are correct. The same as mentioned on you webside under my file.
please help.
Kaj Aarup
Denmark

Hi,
thanks for mail. I now tried again to activate lightroom by copying the serial number on Adobe webside/my account. Unfortunately same result: I got the following message:
The serial number is invalid. Please try again: if the problem persist, please contact customer support.
Unfortunately the could or would not help - only referred to this chat page.
I have serial numbers for both version 4 and 5 and of course downloaded the latest, which is version 5.
regards
kaj
Den 10/03/2015 kl. 11.37 skrev NicHamilton <[email protected]>:
I got a new MacBook pro and want to install my lightroom and elements 11.
created by NicHamilton <https://forums.adobe.com/people/NicHamilton> in Photoshop Lightroom - View the full discussion <https://forums.adobe.com/message/7271945#7271945>
Hi Kaj,
firstly this is a user to user forum so it's not our website, nevertheless I'm sure we can help you.
Firstly, are the serial numbers you're using for the same version of Lightroom?
If they are, then I'd suggest copying the serial numbers straight from your profile on the Adobe website to the Lightroom screen rather than retyping. It's easy to mistype even when you're sure you're not (we've had several such instances in the past).
Can you five us the exact wording of the error message (or a screen grab as long as it doesn't reveal the serial numbers as this a public forum)?
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Lightroom vs. elements

I am interested in understanding the difference in the ability of Lightroom and Elements to edit photographs; if my only interest is cropping, setting exposure, saturation, clarity, etc, rather than the ability of the software to actually change the content of the image, such as removing a blemish from a face.
Thanks for any response.

An Add Import would keep all the photos where they were and the LR folder structure would be the same as the original folder structure.
A Copy as DNG or Copy type of Import will make a copy of the images and put them under where you tell it in the Destination at the right.
A Move Import will take the images out of where they were and put them under the one destination you specify at the right.
With either the Copy or the Move import you have the option of putting the images all in one folder or all in a set of date folders under one folder.
You obviously didn't do an Add import otherwise the fold structure in LR would match your original folder structure on your hard disk, which you say it does not.
Do you remember if you did a Copy type of or a Move type of Import, and did you split things into different folders by date as part of the import process? The Copy import would leave image files where they were and make copies and import those copies. You can recover from this by merely starting over with a new catalog and do an Add Import from the original locations. However, if you did a Move import that changed where the photos are on your disk and removed them from the original folders so there is no easy way to recover without reorganizing everything image by image.
Export locations can be anywhere you want and don't need to be in LR either before or after you export. Exporting is what you do when you want to create a new copy of an image with all the adjustments you've specified in LR. This isn't something you do to all your images you've imported, just ones you need to make new adjusted copies of.
I Import all the photos from a photoshoot in one folder labeled with the date and event/location/subject:
For example, for my niece's graduation a few weeks ago: 2014-05-10_GraduationSarah
At a realtime event there may be many that are blurry or out of focus, so I go through and choose the ones that are ok, and in this case there were three different students, my niece, her boyfriend, and a daughter of a family member all graduating, so I marked each person with a different color, and made three -- not their real names:
2014-05-10_GraduationSarah\SarahFB
2014-05-10_GraduationSarah\GeorgeFB
2014-05-10_GraduationSarah\TiffanyFB
If it was a different sort of shoot where I was getting paid I would have a master folder of everything I shoot, then folders underneath that for various stages and purposes some with many photos, all watermarked, some with just a few. For example: 1_Picks, 2_ClientPicks, 3_Single4x6, 4_Single8x10, 5_Special
The point of all this is that there is one folder with all the photos from my camera, the master photos, which I make adjustments to in LR, then a few sets of exports for their various purposes. I don't even re-import any of these sub-folder exports because they will be going elsewhere, Facebook, online gallery, Wal-Mart, photobook software, etc, none of which are in LR. The situation where I do reimport what I have process in LR is when I Edit-In round-trip to some external software, usually Photoshop for focus-stacking, or panorama-creation, or just further manipulations not possible in LR, then I'd reimport those results, before I Export them to their final destination.
Bridge/Photoshop has the same raw adjustments, but Organizer/Elements has a dumbed-down set of raw adjustments (Toning, Detail, Calibration) on purpose, so you have to pay for Photoshop to get them all.
In LR you have a master image that you imported, then you specify adjustments. Those adjustments live in LR but no pixels are changed in the original image. It is only when you Export that a new image is created with new pixel values that reflect the adjustments in LR, but the original image with its original pixel values is still there so the adjustments specified in LR make sense. You can reimport that image into LR and do more adjustments on it, but why? You could just as easily make more adjustments to the original image in LR, or make a virtual copy in LR and adjust that copy differently. The non-destructive paradigm in LR is different than in Elements and Photoshop or other photo-editors that are destructive where you save over the original.

I have trial versions of Lightroom and Elements 11. "Edit in Photoshop.." does not open the image

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Hi,
I am experiencing problems when transferring photos from Lightroom to Elements 10. When i go to photos, edit in Elements 10, Elements opens but the photo does not appear,or the last photo i was editing shows.I am using a Mac with lion. Can anyone please advise on how to fix this?
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When will Lightroom and Elements support the Nikon D600? In the meantime is there a workaround so the D600 raw files can be exported to Lightroom or am I simply out of business until Adobe develops the needed patch?
As best as I have been able to figure out I may as well rebox the 600 and go back to my older, supported camera, until whenever.

A: What were you using before your precious D600 showed up today.
A D90 with good glass.
Nikon 70-200 f2.8, Nikon 24-70 f2.8, Voigtlander 58 f1.4, Tokina 11-16 f2.8.
Now I need to get a good FF wide solution for the D600.
Trigger on the D600 is much more stiff than my D90 so I'm having to press down a bit harder to get the AF confirmation. Just need to get used to that I guess.
FYI, JPG files right out of the camera are looking good.
B: Don’t you think Adobe wants to sell you the next generation product/upgrade to accommodate all of our insatiable photographic pursuits???
I had been using Apple's Aperture and switched to Lightroom a couple of months ago. I thought the price was actually quite fair for the power of the LR software. I did have to updgrade my computer's RAM....
C: Have a nice glass of wine tonight and enjoy your $2K investment. I’m personally looking forward to savoring a next generation photographic paradigm.
We did enjoy some vino last night! I was thinking I would possibly jump ship to Sony A99 and just switch to all Zeiss glass with autofocus, but I'm not convinced that the EVF is for me, and I'm really not a video shooter, mostly just landscape and real estate. Also, I the Sony turned out to be priced a bit too high for me personally in comparision to the D600.
Buenos Dias!
EB

Why can't I move photos from Lightroom to Elements II for further editing?

Why can't I move photos from Lightroom to Elements II for further editing?

You can. select the image you want to edit externally then :-
In the top toolbar Go to :- Photo, Edit in Adobe Photoshop Elements Editor
If this isn't working got to :-
Edit, Preferences, External Editing
.....and check that Ps Elements is set there. You are able to set two external editors.
Good luck!

How do I import Aperture Library into Photoshop Elements 12?

New to Photoshop Elements 12.How do I import Aperture Library into Photoshop Elements 12?

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Why Lightroom (Photoshop Elements and Photoshop CC) cannot open RAW-pictures taken by Canon G7X? When its possible?

When Lightroom (Potoshop Elements and Photoshop CC) can open RAW-pictures taken by Canon G7X-camera?

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Lightroom versus Elements

I am considering changing to Adobe for handling and editing my photographs. My impression is that Lightroom is a more sophisticated product than Elements. What are the feature differences between Lightrooom and Elements? Why Lightroom versus Elements? Do you have both and if so, why?

http://forums.adobe.com/thread/536430?tstart=0

What is the difference between Lightroom and Elements?

I'm trying to decide between Photoshop Elements and Lightroom--both for a Mac. They seem to have very similar photo editing features. Could anyone tell me some of the differences so that I can see which would be better for my work? One feature that I have to have is the ability to add text to a photo. In Photoshop I can do this with the text tool and layers. Is this a feature of Lightroom too?

Ligtroom is far more like a cross between Bridge and Camera RAW than anything like Elements. LR is designed to work with and process larger quantities of RAW files. It also works with TIFF and jpeg but these are secondary to RAW. LR has some local adjustment ability, with limited brushes and tools. LR has sophistocated databased library structure that allows search and keywording functions even when images are off line. LR allows easy batch editing and synching of RAW settings to multiple files and the creation of multiple 'recipies" in RAW conversion without the need to create multiple files. You don't need to make jpegs to create a simple web page or print files from LR. It will do these directly from the RAW files. LR is completely non-destructive. Exporting an image will make a new file with the changes you specify. Nothing you do will alter the original file.
Elements is for pixel pushing. It allows far more local controls, and manipulation at a pixel level compared to the mostly global controls of LR. In other words it's easier to work on individual parts of an image in Elements. Elements is designed for you to spend more time on an individual file compared to LR which is designed to work on larger quantities of files in a less intricate manner. Cloning, etc are easier/more powerful in Elements. Elements supports stitching and layers. Elements lets you work with text and images. LR does not in any meaningful way (except maybe adding a watermark). Making changes in Elements and then saving the file will permanently change it.
In a nutshell if you're working with larger quantities of images you may prefer LR. However you'll probably still need a pixel editor (like Elements) occasionally. If you work in lower image quantities then Elements is the way to go. You'll still have Bridge to find files/process raw files, but not files that are *offline*. I would suggest Elements first and then add LR when you need its powerfull organisational/search/RAW conversion/non-destructive workflow abilities.
Gordon

Problem: Lightroom to Elements and back

I can get an image from Lightroom 3 to Photoshop Elements 8 (Mac) but I can't seem to get back. Even after saving and closing the image in Elements it is not visible in Lightroom.
Also, since I just changed printers I have new icc files. I have those in a place Lightroom seems to be able to find them but Elements doesn't see them. I checked around on line and thought I had copied the icc files to the right library for Elements but it still does not see them.
Thank you.

Also, what's the source of your view in LR? If it's "Previous Import", you'll not be able to see the TIFF passed back to LR, try "All Photographs".
Beat

Are Lightroom and Elements complimentary?

If I have Photoshop Elements 10, why should I get Photoshop Lightroom 4.1?
What are the advantages?
What are the disadvantages?
There seem to be a lot of problems with Lightroom 4(.1), is there a conflict with Elements 10?
Will editing done in Lightroom have to be redone in Elements?

DrSteveLvn wrote:
If I have Photoshop Elements 10, why should I get Photoshop Lightroom 4.1?
What are the advantages?
What are the disadvantages?
There seem to be a lot of problems with Lightroom 4(.1), is there a conflict with Elements 10?
Will editing done in Lightroom have to be redone in Elements?
1) You dont absolutely need LR if you have Elements, but many find that having both speeds their workflow and results in better images.
2) Lightroom brings several features to the table not found in Elements. LR includes a database (Library) module that enables faster, more comprehensive searches for photos on your computer. If you shoot raw, LR offers a superior user interface. Processing several images with similar needs simultaneously is easier in LR.
3) There are no disadvantages to having both programs. You can have both and use one or the other, as I sometimes do. Each has their own niches, and there is a large overlap of function.   LR is a sufficient tool for many photos and tasks. For those, it is faster and easier to use than Elements. Elements has a true pixel editor so can do more sophisticated enhancements to an image. Actually, the most powerful combination of software is LR and Photoshop, but Elements is a decent approximation to PS's if you don't need 16-bit images.
4) LR 4 had teething problems, but everyone that I personally know using LR 4 is satisfied with the current LR 4.1. There is mostly agreement that LR 4.1 is a bit slower than LR 3.6, but I would not avoid LR 4 for fear of it having "problems."    I've not heard of any conflict between Elements and LR 4.1. There are still issues reported on this and other forums, but I suspect they affect a small and diminishing number of users, and may be not much different from other imaging applications
5) Nothing done in LR needs to be redone in Elements. After converting and adjusting in LR, you would pass an image on to Elements for further enhancements if needed.    LR does not do layers, compositing, and other pixel editing techniques--that's exclusively the Photoshop / Elements domain. Normally, raw conversion and basic image adjustments (and a bit more) is done in LR. When the image is transferred to Elements as a tiff or jpeg it is exactly as it left LR.
Hope that is helpful.
Jerry

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