Light Table: Image Sizes?

Is there any way to specify the exact sizes of the images placed on a Light Table?
I have a multi-frame I want to print pics for, and a Light Table is a perfect way to print multiple images per page… but I can't seem to figure out how to make, say, one image 3x3 and another one 6x4.
Make sense?
Any ideas?

The only print option in aperture that allows to exactly control the size and position of images is the Book. In the layout options for the pages you can set the dimensions of the photo boxes and align them accurately. I sometimes use the photo book design to arrange photos for printing, i.e. if if I want to have captions as well. I start with a page design, that has only one photo box and addas many additional boxes as I need.The only drawback is, that you have to pick the correct when printing - you will not want to print the covers of the book as well.

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Question on Light Table behavior

I am wondering if it just me and a couple of others who are seeing pixelated images in a Light Table in 3.1.1?
Situation:
With Aperture 3.1.1 set to all defaults in Preferences, I create a new light table (either empty or with pre-selected images) and then drag images to the light table.
The images are small on the table. They appear to be lower quality than the images in the filmstrip to begin with. Resizing the images exagerates the problem and reveals unclear and/or pixelation.
I have done a clean install of Aperture 3 and updated to 3.0.3 and the issue does not exist. Light Table images are fine whether resized or not.
*What I have tried so far:*
1 - Clean install of OS X 10.6 and updated with 10.6.6 combo installer (repaired disk permissions once installed), then install Aperture 3 and updated to 3.1.1 (repaired disk permissions once completed). Import new images from Nikon D80 (both RAW and JPEG) and tested light table. Same issue. Then imported new .cr2 files from a friend's Canon, which all had the same issue.
2 - Copy APTS lesson files and library to drive > open with Aperture 3.1.1 (upgrade library when prompted). The existing images in that library behave correctly in Light Table, but newly imported images into that library display the image degradation / pixelation in light table.
3 - In all cases, I have tried to delete / generate Previews as well as Thumbnails. None of these have sorted the issue.
Note - it almost appears to me that the images used on the light table are actually small thumbnails that are low quality on the light table and any subsequent resizing pixelates the image.
Note #2 - the strange thing in all cases is that using the loupe tool and panning over the images in the light table shows high-quality image.
I am trying to determine if it is my machine (or procedure) specifically, or if there are others experiencing this in large numbers.
I have 8 GB RAM and the nVidia 8800 GT upgrade card in my machine. Whether just Aperture 3.1.1 is installed or with all my normal software, no difference in Light Table behavior.
Looking for comments as to whether users have no issues like this or any who do.
I have already sent a report to Apple.
Thanks in advance for any comments.
Corky

SP,
I do not think this is intended behavior, as it works as expected in AP 3.0.3.
I sent a bug report via the feedback function in the Aperture menu and will follow up with a second one. I was hoping that other users would chime in as to whether they were experiencing the issue, or if it is working correctly on their system. Unfortunately, there has been no response other than yours as you can see.
There are two other threads since the release of 3.1.1 where 3 or 4 other users are having the same issue (at least as far as the pixelation / low resolution image issue).
On my system, the default size of the light table changed between 3.0.3 and 3.1.
In 3.0.3 the light table starts off smaller (with larger grid squares as if zoomed in) and dragging the images onto the table show the same quality image on the table as in the filmstrip. In 3.1 (and 3.1.1) the light table starts off much larger (with smaller grid squares as if zoomed out) and dragging an image from the filmstrip results in a smaller sized thumbnail showing on the light table at the lower quality.
I have also been going back through the 'Apple Pro Training Series - Aperture 3' book using the included library and lesson files (to test for functionlity with AP 3.1.1 and iPhoto '11) and I find that in lesson 3 where the light table is used, the same issue appears once you resize one of the images next to smaller images (which results in the three smaller images being lower quality than the resized image).
My guess is that the thumbnail / preview function connected with the light table sizing is creating an issue where the light table is using a smaller thumbnail when it should be switching to (or using from the beginning) a preview for quality. The fact that the image viewed under the loupe tool is high quality lends to this theory - IMHO.
I am hoping that this is fixed in 3.1.2 (if they release an update), since I would like to use the light table for layout decisions and for comparing multiple images. The bad image quality sort of shoots this function in the foot for me.
The only real fix is to revert to AP 3.0.3 and forego the 3.1.1 improvements which really isn't a fix.
To any others reading this post, could you please indicate whether the light table image quality is fine for you or whether you are experiencing the bad quality / pixelation issue I am? It would help me in discovering whether this is machine (hardware) specific or a wider issue.
Thanks in advance for any help.

Light Table: missing images on certain page sizes

I have a light table with about 20 images from a D200 on it.
I go to print it, and all the images show up if I select Letter size paper. If I change the paper size to 13x19, one of the images doesn't show up in the preview of the light table. I thought, "ah, it's just a display/preview anomaly" so I went ahead and printed it. Guess what? That one photo really did drop out.
Even odder, if I save to PDF, 6 images drop out!
Anyone else see this? I'm on Aperture 1.0.1.

Good news. *crosses fingers*
So far I have not been able to reproduce this in Aperture 1.1.

How to set image size in a table view

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I've just built a small VC application showing some process chain logs in a table view. For the different status types Error, Warning and Success I show the well-known traffic light icons. But up to now I haven't found out how to set the image size in a table view (height & width field is greyed out for the table). Any ideas? Or is it just not possible?
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Heiko

Hello Heiko,
I don't know, if it is possible, but I would say,
it's not implemented yet. Maybe you can change the picture size and use then the pictures, that might be a workaround, if you can't change the height and width in VC.
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Aperture Light Table - Poor image quality

I am using the Light Table function in Aperture (3.4.5.) and I had an issue with the quality of the images on it, when zoomed in or scaled to fit.
The quality of the (larger spread) images looks poor. As if I zoomed in on a thumbnail.
I was looking for a discussion on this and saw some (archived) threads. None of them solved.
However, I think I have found a workaround.
If you get this situation, you can select the image(s) on the light table and regenerate the preview.
Option-click Menu => Photos => Generate Previews
(note: if you don't use the Option key, you will get Menu => Photos => Update Previews and Aperture may say (unjust) that the preview is already up-to-date).
That solves the poor image quality look.

I just remade the same book - as a test - in the extra large hardback format (ie. the one I used for the previous publication, last year).
This time, the pictures are fine. The images appear to be the same quality in the PDF as the originals - much, much better. The size of the file has increased massively too > up from just 2.6MB to 52.8MB.
So does the books production function work well only with the biggest, most expensive option?
I'd really appreciate some feedback from anyone who's tried the different sizes, and preferably some brilliant ideas to make them all work equally well.

*Light Table & Disappearing Images*

I created a light table, moved images in, cropped them, arranged them and printed. Everything worked as advertised except one of the images was rather stubborn about the correct crop size, had to reset a few times.
Came back the next day and all the images have the yellow triangle. A search for the images results in them not being found. They have disappeared from my drive.
I have been using Aperture since V1.1 and am continually managing referenced files.

You use the 'Aperture menu > Aperture Feedback' item to load the page.
You then select the type of feedback (in this case a 'Bug Report') from one of the drop-downs and type in your issue (I usually link to a thread when possible).
There are a number of technical drop-down lists for machine, OS, version, etc. and then submit.
Although I don't work for Apple, I know that typically; the reports are viewed by the software team and prioritized by quantity of received reports for the same and they usually try to reproduce the issue.
If they can reproduce the issue easily and consistently, it should go on the list for fixes in the next update (if possible).
Note - I agree that this may be isolated to just us, but I do not run anything modified (pretty much vanilla settings with all software) so I reported it to at least get it looked at.

Decrease Light Table Size?

Is there a way to decrease the size of a light table? I've searched around the documentation I have and don't see any way to do that.
I was trying to slightly increase the size of a light table I was working in when Aperture suddenly slowed down (I suppose it was doing something in the background). I held the image I was dragging to one side of the table and then suddenly Aperture became responsive again and the size of my table just shot up in the direction I was dragging that image. It's about twice the size I want it to be now and I have work on it I don't want to loose by simply deleting it and creating a new one.

Is there a way to decrease the size of a light table?
I've searched around the documentation I have and
don't see any way to do that.
Just at the top of the light table window is a little slider.

Light Table - blurred images (bug)

As per this previous thread (https://discussions.apple.com/message/12871298#12871298), which has now been archived, I've found that zooming all images on a Light Table (using the slider) results in larger, but completely blurred images.
The images themselves are fine in preview, and if you choose a single image on the Light Table and drag its corner to make it larger, then it scales up just fine - greater resolution as it grows.
I have submitted a bug report through the Aperture menu, and I would encourage everyone others to do the same if they're experiencing this.
G

I have already reported the bug (as per your linked thread).
Of note is that I was at the local University Village Apple store here in Seattle last weekend and confirmed this bug on the best 27" iMac (current model) they had in the store using the sample library in AP3.
That machine had the ATI graphics chip and my machine has the nVidia 8800 GT, so I at least verified it is not specific to my hardware.
Dragging images onto the light table displayed the same 'low quality' thumbnail issue I have seen since updating from AP 3.0.2 to 3.1.x.
Scaling the images up seemed to improve the image quality, but this then utilizes too much viewable area of the light table to use for real layout option work (even on the 27" screen at Apple store).
Here is the thread I posted as well in case anyone has interest in the troubleshooting I have already tried:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/13298420#13298420
Thanks for bringing this up again.
Still waiting for someone to actually post that it works correctly for them at all thumbnail sizes in the Light Table function using AP 3.1.x.
I will also send another bug report and include my test at Apple store in the report.

Select images for a book from a light table?

Hi,
the light table seems to be a good place to group pictures, set relative sizes and define some general ordering. Once I have done that using the light table, I want to create a book based on the light table. One way would be to create a new empty book and drag pictures from the light table to the pages of the book.
Is there a way to view a light table and the book's pages at the same time?
Regards,
Rainer Joswig
PowerMac Dual G5, 2.5Ghz Mac OS X (10.4.3)

No, you don't have to crop them. The "frames" on each page are set for the 4:3 size so that when a photo is put in a frame and enlarged to fill it all portions of the photo are still visible. You can but a 3:2 photo in a frame and it should enlarge it just so the long edge fill the frame leaving you with a little more white space.
There's a slide bar to enlarge if necessary. If you Control-click on the image, there will be an option to Fit photo to frame size. There you may cut some off. But you'll need to experiment to see if it will suit your needs.
Do you Twango?

Resize Multiple Images at once in Light Table??

I'm wondering if there is a way to resize more than one image white working inside a Light Table? I seem to recall being able to do this, but perhaps I just imagined it.
Does anyone know of a way to do this? If I have a lot of images in my Light Table it becomes a real pain if I want to make, say, 10 of them bigger (and/or the same size) at the same time.

Zak... Selecting one thumbnail > Select all > Delete worked just as you said; it leaves one image behind. I never would have tried that method because logically I would have thought that it would delete all the images since I chose 'Select all'. Thanks for the quick response and saving me a lot of work... Bill

Rating filter moves images on light table into a single pile

Anyone seen this?
I have a bunch of images arranged on the light table with various star ratings. The images are arranged by number of stars into various grouping - all the 5's together etc.
When I use the filter in the browser to see only the 5's for example, the light table will show only the 5's as epxected.
When I then select unrated or better, all the rest of the images end up in a single pile on the light table.
If I filter on 3 or better, and then switch back, just the 2s and 1s end up in the pile, ie whatever is not displayed by the filter gets piled up.
Is this a bug or "feature"? If it's a feature it's very annoying, unless there is some way to "lock" the position of an image on the LT.

OK, so figured out a convoluted bodge-around:
1. Make an album of all your selects. Select all and make a new Light Table(LT) from all.
2. With LT selected, click the lock icon.
3. With LT still selected, hold down apple key, and select your album of selects (step 1). This opens this album in a separate tab, but because lock icon on LT is selected, the LT viewer area is still visible.
4. in you album of selects, type your chosen keyword search. From the resulting set, select and drag the image(s) to the LT viewer. Do this with as many keyword searches as required. When done you can optionally close the selects album tabbed browser.
5. Use LT as you normally would. You can now toggle on/off images by keyword by typing it in search field.
Any other methods I've tried crashes Aperture.
Comments anyone?

Light Table - poor images

I am using a light table to t ry some photo layouts.
However the quality of the photos when viewed I
From the table are ver poor, very fuzzy even when only zoomed in a little.
The actual photos themselves are RAW shot with a 5D and are perfect so cannot understand the image in the light table.
Any thoughts out there on this?
Cheers

You use the 'Aperture menu > Aperture Feedback' item to load the page.
You then select the type of feedback (in this case a 'Bug Report') from one of the drop-downs and type in your issue (I usually link to a thread when possible).
There are a number of technical drop-down lists for machine, OS, version, etc. and then submit.
Although I don't work for Apple, I know that typically; the reports are viewed by the software team and prioritized by quantity of received reports for the same and they usually try to reproduce the issue.
If they can reproduce the issue easily and consistently, it should go on the list for fixes in the next update (if possible).
Note - I agree that this may be isolated to just us, but I do not run anything modified (pretty much vanilla settings with all software) so I reported it to at least get it looked at.

How do you add an image to the Light Table more that once

The Long/Luna book says this is possible. In the browser there is a red number in the corner of my images showing "1". Both of these things suggest that adding an image more that once is possible but I can't figure out how to do it.

I checked this further. Long/Luna say that you can add an image to a Light Table more than once on p266 of that book. Although they don't say how to do so.
Bagleturf's tutorial about the Light Table say's that's not possible.
"Two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong" - Dire Straits

How to remove selected image from a light table?

According to the Aperture User Manual, when I select an image on a light table, I should be able to remove it (while still leaving it in the light table browser). However, this seems to work only for the image I most recently added to the light table -- when I select an image I added just before the most recent, the button at the upper left for "Light Table Put Back Selected" is grayed out. (Also, the command-shift-P shortcut shown in the tooltip doesn't do anything.) Am I misunderstanding the use of this button? Doing something wrong? I added some images, and decided I wanted to put a few of them back, but can't figure out a way to do that. Makes the light table pretty useless except for layout of a set of images you are already committed to. Doesn't seem possible.

Hey, thanks -- everything worked as you described. It never would have occurred to me that the "put back" button refers to the browser selection not the layout selection, for reasons I give below.
I think Aperture exhibits some conceptual confusion here. First of all, a "light table" is created by the New > Light Table command, and you add images to the newly created light table just as you would add them to an album. But those images don't go on the light table layout until you drag them from the browser to the layout table. The "put back" button and "remove from light table" contextual menu command both mean remove from the layout. The phrasing of the contextual menu command make it sounds as if it will remove the clicked image from the light table's collection of images, like removing an image from an album -- it would have made more sense to name this command "put back". Furthermore, the "put back" button is above the layout display, not above the browser, which to me implies that it applies to selections in the layout display. To select an image in the browser, and click "put back selected" seems backwards -- if you just selected the image in the browser, your attention is focused on the browser, not the layout; from the browser's point of view, the button should read "bring back" not "put back".
The documentation didn't really help when I was trying to figure this out. Sometimes the Aperture documentation refers to just a "light table", as on the overview on page 732. On pages 733 and 734, though, it refers to a "light table album". On page 735 of the Aperture manual there is a very brief explanation of how "to add images to the light table" and "to remove an image from the light table". Here, "light table" refers to the layout not the album. The explanation of the "Put Back Selected" button says to select an image then click the button, and the picture shown is of an image selected in the layout, not in the browser.

Problem with Light Table in Bridge CS6

Hi! After a re-install (which didn't fix the problem with PS), I now find that, when using the light table in Bridge CS6 and after hitting the space bar, if I then click on the image, it goes to 800% size! Prior to the uninstall & re-install, it worked perfectly in taking images to 100% size.
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Thanks, Wardie

Why did you reinstall photoshop cs6?
What operating system are you using?
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