Lightning Extreme 580 - Cant break 950mhz (SLI)

Well, I installed my 2 new Lighting Extreme 580's and after some setup and testing, I went for the OC. However, I cannot get a stable OC at 950mhz and I have maxed out the voltage at 1.212. What is odd is that I was able to dial it down to 940mhz and dropped the Voltage to 1.155 and it is stable as can be. You would think that only 10 more mhz on the core and 1.2v I should be able to hit the 950mhz. But it is in an SLI configuration, so it could be that one of the 2 new cards does not OC as good as the other card.
So unless there is something I am missing, it looks like I am stuck at 940mhz...I am a beginner OC and I am not comfortable enough to mess with the switches on the card right now, which from what I read would allow even more voltage.
I do have to say that the cooling on the cards is amazing. My previous cards with EVGA's 580 1.5gig. I had them OC to 900mhz with 1.1v to the core and on the top card I would hit 85c-88c. With the Lightning Extremes I am pushing 940mhz, 1.155 on the voltage and thte top card peaks at 76c. That 10c is a big amount of lower heat, plus the cards are no where as loud as the EVGA's. Pretty impressed with them so far..but I really want to hit 950!!! I know Guru3d was able to hit 961 on the core with a 1.21voltage tweak, but that was only 1 card and it could be one of the lucky ones.
Well if anyone has any suggestions on what else I can do I am open to hearing your thoughts!

Quote from: Stateless on 19-September-11, 06:28:13
Is there a guide that explains a bit more on what the Aux Voltage tweak does? I have done alot of reading of professional sites overclocking the Lightnings, but no one mentions this Aux Voltage. Since my goal was to hit 950mhz in SLI, I still want to ensure I am doing everything I can, but have not used the Aux Voltage cause there is really no information I can find on it.
Thanks for any help, I do appreciate it.
I'd have to look around the net for a decent Hawk/Lightning OC guide, but basically what the PLL voltage controls is your "PCI Express Bus"
Don't take it as it says, but with the slightly increased voltage, you should be able to go into your PC bios and increase the frequency of your PCI express bus there as well (and the according voltage.)
This should get you (nothing guaranteed) something like 20 Mhz more out of your OC.
Also, try to run a separate 12cm on the back of your cards (PWM area.)

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Hello All-
In a few days, well as soon as UPS delivers my new toys I will be a new member to the MSI GPU Family. I have 2 Lightning Extreme 580's on the way and just wanted some feedback/advice on the best way to test/connect the cards. I currently am running a 2x580 EVGA Vanilla Cards, so I do understand the whole SLI situation. My questions/help is below:
1. Since these are 2 new cards, is it advisable to install one at a time and test the card by itself first? Then install the 2nd card seperately and test it?
2. Obviously anyone buying this card is going to OC it. So it is also advisable to OC one card at a time to test each card and how the OC?
3. I noticed 2-3 areas where the SLI Cable can connect too. Does it matter which one you connect the SLI Ribbon too?
For any owners of the Extreme 580 and advice you would give to a new owner of the card?
Lastly, is there a site or a chart that shows what others were able to achieve with OC? I know for my EVGA's there were alot of spreedsheets showing various users and what speed, fan percentage, temps etc. Anything like that for the MSI Family?

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1. Since these are 2 new cards, is it advisable to install one at a time and test the card by itself first? Then install the 2nd card seperately and test it?
2. Obviously anyone buying this card is going to OC it. So it is also advisable to OC one card at a time to test each card and how the OC?
3. I noticed 2-3 areas where the SLI Cable can connect too. Does it matter which one you connect the SLI Ribbon too?
==> 1. It's not necessary to do this. This can only helps if you have issues and by testing in that ways it can be isolated which card is cause the eventual trouble. As there is no reason to suspect cards failure you can skip this.
==> 2. It's also not necessary to do this. Because when they are running in SLI, both combined speed will be equal to the lower card speed in the party.
So finding personally which one card how much can be overclocked will be useless as the total speed will be speed of the slowest card in the party.
ect: finding the card with better OC potencial will be useless, as you will run them in SLI and their combined speed will be down to the slowest card.
==> 3. Use the 1st one connector near to the VGA's outputs. Etc:

Is 650W PSU going to handle MSI GTX 580 Lightning Extreme

Greetings,
My PC spec:
i7-2600 @ 4GHZ
Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD4-B3, Sandy bridge
DDR3 Corsair 2x4GB (1600Mhz)
MSI GTX 560-ti Twin Frozr II 1GB DDR5
PSU: Fortron Black Power 650W
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There are divided rails 4x 12V@18A each on my PSU.
is my PSU going to handle MSI GTX 580 Lightning Extreme 3GB DDR5 ?
http://www.amazon.com/MSI-N580GTX-Li...4570127&sr=8-1
as this card has ca 30W more consumption then my current GTX560. I run it overclocked and I see no problems here. (almost on 1000Mhz Core)
As on the sites I've read they tested and they had max 20-30A, so I expect there will be no problem.
Can you guys help me figure it out?
Thank you.
Shamy12

Quote from: Svet on 30-August-11, 01:57:10
Oks,
625W-155W = 470W , 470W/12V = 39A
The MSI GTX 580 Lightning Extreme needs at least 42A at +12V
I would replace that PSU with better one, [more quality one, not Fortron] and single rail [not a multi rail PSU] ==> PSU's---2 x 12v---The Dual Rail Myth: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=77071.0
with Single rail quality PSU like Corsair 650TX/V2, 750TX, 850TX or above depend of your needs
Ok, I'm going to CORSAIR HX1050, just to be ready for eventually SLI, overcloacking and to not upgrade 3x times :D
.. Thanks

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Display driver : ForceWare 280.26
have you tried MSI's drivers for your card?
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Remove current driver with >>Driver Sweeper<< in 'Safe Mode' before install the new one
Quote from: Frakatchoo on 07-September-11, 22:13:04
It's only unstable when i'm use the GPU (Games & benchs), not HD videos.
Most games/bench crashes with default clock @ 1.031v. I tried to overvolted & undervolted the GPU, but my tests were not conclusive. The only way i've found to have all games/benchs stable is to downclock the GPU as I explained in my first post.
Maybe i need a more accurate GPU voltage ? Is it important to change Memory & Aux voltage too ?
have you tested with 1050mV for core?
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Is it important to change Memory & Aux voltage too ?
normally not, but depend what exactly is unstable
But it should work fine by default as is

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Quote from: Svet on 25-May-12, 15:28:37
if you use another video card does it works stable?
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At thsi point it coulbd anything, CPU overheating, PSU problems and so on
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Quote from: compudaze on 05-November-11, 10:16:32
I honestly haven't tried reference 580 clocks. Only the stock clocks of the Lightning. But I don't see how that would affect anything. I can play for several hours without a crash. Then come back a few days later and it will crash within minutes. Cold boot, I can play for hours again.
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Display driver : ForceWare 280.26
have you tried MSI's drivers for your card?
==> http://www.msi.com/product/vga/N580GTX-Lightning-Xtreme-Edition.html#/?div=Driver&os=All
Remove current driver with >>Driver Sweeper<< in 'Safe Mode' before install the new one
Quote from: Frakatchoo on 07-September-11, 22:13:04
It's only unstable when i'm use the GPU (Games & benchs), not HD videos.
Most games/bench crashes with default clock @ 1.031v. I tried to overvolted & undervolted the GPU, but my tests were not conclusive. The only way i've found to have all games/benchs stable is to downclock the GPU as I explained in my first post.
Maybe i need a more accurate GPU voltage ? Is it important to change Memory & Aux voltage too ?
have you tested with 1050mV for core?
Quote
Is it important to change Memory & Aux voltage too ?
normally not, but depend what exactly is unstable
But it should work fine by default as is

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I am gonna upgrade to a 30 inch monitor and run a resolution beyond FullHD and this will require some potent GPU calculation power!
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Quote from: stigma on 06-May-12, 01:06:19
no its the first (non extreme) edition
Btw i edited my earlier post with links and more comment...
Aha, it should be not a problem to work together then.
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The only differences i can find is the P4 hardware (seperate fases) in the Lightning....so basicly they ARE the same but.....the Power edition would most likely overclock less then the lightning...?
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