Lightroom 4.2 raw to jpeg very noisy vs camera jpeg

Hi, I shoot my pictures in RAW+JPEG on my canon EOS 60D.
When I open the jpeg produced by the camera, there is no (or very few) noise. But the same file (raw imported in Lightroom) without any modification (no change in color balance, exposure,...) just default settings the exported jpeg is very noise and darker.
What cause this heavy noise when viewing the picture in 1:1 size ?
A sample is much easy to explain:
You can download the full resolution jpeg here: http://demo.ovh.com/download/c7aa49ae94a5ec202eca7f8ffdad0c8d/sample.jpg
Picture settings:
ISO 1600, F/5.6, 1/60sec

Are you asking how to copy settings from one photo to others?
Select a group of photos using the thumbnail bar, probably not all 100 but a few with the same lighting and exposure and similar toning adjustments, and make the current photo the one with the settings you want to copy to the rest.
Click the Sync button.
Click Check None to clear any settings you previously copied in an unrelated session.
Put a checkbox next to the Sharpen category of settings.
Click Synchronize, and your sharpen settings will be replicated to all the other selected photos.
You can’t copy just the sharpen-mask setting independent of all the other sharpening settings, so you probably want to do your multi-photo synchronization before you tweak the sharpening individually.
Eventually you will probably want to set up your LR default to have a non-zero Sharpen Mask value, but you won’t know what it needs to be for most photos without some more experience and experimentation. I usually have mine set pretty high for the default.

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I have recently switched to shoot my photos in RAW format. I do the usual adjustments in Camera Raw and the hit "Open Image". Next is that I save my image as JPEG with the Maximum Quality. Once I look at my saved JPEG file though I find that most of them have a lot of noise and seem not to reflect any adjustments that I did to the RAW file. What am I doing wrong?

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I really don't want to have to go through 14,000 images looking for the pictures that I want to keep (or is that my only option?).
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You advise not to muck around in the picture file via preview,
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I want to look the negatives, decide which ones I want and throw the rest away. Can that be done or am I way off course?
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